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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 22, 2017 12:26:44 GMT
Putin and Trump's relationship is absolutely weird and bizarre, at the very least. Also if Trump were to basically be revealed to be a puppet, that would be a huge slap in the face to democracy in the U.S., you don't care about that? Plus it would further the conflict between U.S. and Russia. And the Trump / Russia thing relationship has nothing to do with the middle east (Trump's already planning an attack on Iran for money & oil, that has nothing to do with Putin, but hey at least he's "better" than Obama, right). It's all about lifting those sanctions in Ukraine. And what about Clinton being upset about not hacking Palestinian elections? All you care is your democracy, it seems. As I told you before, if your concept of democracy was to bring someone like Clinton as POTUS, I'm absolutely relieved that Trump won. A puppet or not, I don't care as long as a new Cold War is avoided and Middle-East is not a place to argue between USA and Russia. Fine, then watch as Trump destroys America from within. Also, Trump being a traitor and puppet to Putin would already reveal that we're basically in a new cold war, but hey Clinton.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 22, 2017 12:28:35 GMT
abcnews.go.com/US/story-fbi-wiretap-russians-trump-tower/story?id=46266198"There, indeed, was an FBI wiretap involving Russians at Trump Tower. But it was not placed at the behest of Barack Obama, and the target was not the Trump campaign of 2016. For two years ending in 2013, the FBI had a court-approved warrant to eavesdrop on a sophisticated Russian organized crime money-laundering network that operated out of unit 63A in Trump Tower in New York. The FBI investigation led to a federal grand jury indictment of more than 30 people, including one of the world’s most notorious Russian mafia bosses, Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov. Known as the “Little Taiwanese,” he was the only target to slip away, and he remains a fugitive from American justice". Looks like Trump was right, just not the way he expected to be. Ha!
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 22, 2017 16:26:01 GMT
And what about Clinton being upset about not hacking Palestinian elections? All you care is your democracy, it seems. As I told you before, if your concept of democracy was to bring someone like Clinton as POTUS, I'm absolutely relieved that Trump won. A puppet or not, I don't care as long as a new Cold War is avoided and Middle-East is not a place to argue between USA and Russia. Fine, then watch as Trump destroys America from within. Also, Trump being a traitor and puppet to Putin would already reveal that we're basically in a new cold war, but hey Clinton. Ehm, no, man, that's not how logic works. Russian hackers were there in first stance because Obama was about to start a new cold war (also by spying every EU leader). Putin (and every other people with a brain) wanted to avoid this and rightfully supported a friend candidate. Plus, I don't care about what happens in America. I'm a foreigner living in a foreign country so what's most important for me is foreign policy.
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Post by cornnetto on Mar 22, 2017 16:29:31 GMT
That sound a bit of a stretch to me, why would the Russian hackers not always been there (they hacked the GOP too), I would have assumed Russia/China/USA and few others are systematically always trying to hack everything of value everywhere, as an automatic, it is what they decide to do with what they achieve to hack that matter.
That why people are piss at americans that helped or went with it, and not a russia, it is just normal for a country to spy as much as they can on the others country.
Explain you mean by that ?
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 22, 2017 16:52:11 GMT
Fine, then watch as Trump destroys America from within. Also, Trump being a traitor and puppet to Putin would already reveal that we're basically in a new cold war, but hey Clinton. Ehm, no, man, that's not how logic works. Russian hackers were there in first stance because Obama was about to start a new cold war (also by spying every EU leader). Putin (and every other people with a brain) wanted to avoid this and rightfully supported a friend candidate. Plus, I don't care about what happens in America. I'm a foreigner living in a foreign country so what's most important for me is foreign policy. This explains a lot. There is zero evidence of Obama wanting to start another cold war. Him being not so hot on Putin is just common sense, and spying on other countries is a tactic that every country does, especially Russia. Russian hackers didn't hack the 2016 election because they thought the Obama against them, they hacked it because Putin wants to undermine America's democracy. Trump being a Russian spy/traitor would make things worse, and not help the U.S. / Russia conflict at all, that it might as well be the start of another cold war.
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 22, 2017 20:16:28 GMT
That sound a bit of a stretch to me, why would the Russian hackers not always been there (they hacked the GOP too), I would have assumed Russia/China/USA and few others are systematically always trying to hack everything of value everywhere, as an automatic, it is what they decide to do with what they achieve to hack that matter. That why people are piss at americans that helped or went with it, and not a russia, it is just normal for a country to spy as much as they can on the others country. Explain you mean by that ? Asking NATO members to send military troops to the Russia-Latvia border is a very hard move in my opinion, but if that doesn't convince you there is the refusal from Obama to give Putin the coordinates of ISIS military camps in Syria and, in general, the refusal of cooperation in Middle-East; his total support in favor of economic sanctions to Russia and just before the ending of his presidency he expelled from USA 35 Russian ambassadors, which is another very hard move that no other state does. Clinton in her campaign has spoken pretty clearly about her stance against Russia under any point of view, even more vehemently than Obama, from economy to politics through stategy. To me this is not wise foreign policy.
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 22, 2017 20:21:19 GMT
Ehm, no, man, that's not how logic works. Russian hackers were there in first stance because Obama was about to start a new cold war (also by spying every EU leader). Putin (and every other people with a brain) wanted to avoid this and rightfully supported a friend candidate. Plus, I don't care about what happens in America. I'm a foreigner living in a foreign country so what's most important for me is foreign policy. This explains a lot. There is zero evidence of Obama wanting to start another cold war. Him being not so hot on Putin is just common sense, and spying on other countries is a tactic that every country does, especially Russia. Russian hackers didn't hack the 2016 election because they thought the Obama against them, they hacked it because Putin wants to undermine America's democracy. Trump being a Russian spy/traitor would make things worse, and not help the U.S. / Russia conflict at all, that it might as well be the start of another cold war. Have a look at the answer I gave to cornetto. In addition I can say that -no pun intended- you seem very confused about geo-political stategy and you should read more newspapers from different sources and countries. I'm really sorry to say this because I don't like to offend but you really seem very blind and naive.
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Post by cornnetto on Mar 22, 2017 20:35:24 GMT
Asking NATO members to send military troops to the Russia-Latvia border is a very hard move in my opinion, but if that doesn't convince you there is the refusal from Obama to give Putin the coordinates of ISIS military camps in Syria and, in general, the refusal of cooperation in Middle-East; his total support in favor of economic sanctions to Russia and just before the ending of his presidency he expelled from USA 35 Russian ambassadors, which is another very hard move that no other state does. Clinton in her campaign has spoken pretty clearly about her stance against Russia under any point of view, even more vehemently than Obama, from economy to politics through stategy. To me this is not wise foreign policy. Hard but necessary move, I think it is a bit easy for people that have not lived WW2 to underestimate what represent the first change of hands of part of lands between Euro country in Crimea. Except if Russia thought of US troops in Latvia as a treat in any way (obviously they didn't), it can be insulting to paint the Russian as an invasion force, but not more than that, they is not anything war like in this, except if the Russian had any intention to move troops in Latvia obviously and then...... Other state does not publicly do move like Russia did with the DNC leak either and isn't it common ? Canada did expel Russian and other country ambassadors and diplomat from time to time. I didn't knew about the lack of communication of ISIS information with Russia thought, but that does not surprise me, both state probably don't care that much about ISIS (why would they, what does it have to do with them) but one want to keep Assad there, the other would love to see him remove, that must create tension.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 22, 2017 22:44:09 GMT
This explains a lot. There is zero evidence of Obama wanting to start another cold war. Him being not so hot on Putin is just common sense, and spying on other countries is a tactic that every country does, especially Russia. Russian hackers didn't hack the 2016 election because they thought the Obama against them, they hacked it because Putin wants to undermine America's democracy. Trump being a Russian spy/traitor would make things worse, and not help the U.S. / Russia conflict at all, that it might as well be the start of another cold war. Have a look at the answer I gave to cornetto. In addition I can say that -no pun intended- you seem very confused about geo-political stategy and you should read more newspapers from different sources and countries. I'm really sorry to say this because I don't like to offend but you really seem very blind and naive. And yet Hillary wasn't wrong to see Russia in a negative light. Putin's already proving how much of a sneaky leader he is. Also, I would read more foreign newspapers, but what's happening in the U.S. right now is fascinating yet disturbing, especially with our supposed "traitor in chief", and the entire GOP party. Trump has no real good intentions as president, and his entire administration is incompetently evil, amazingly enough.
I have read some Russians newspaper articles, though. Their news seems to have started to go a bit more negative on Trump, possibly because sanctions have taken forever to lift, or something to that extent.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 22, 2017 22:44:29 GMT
Well this is interesting.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 23, 2017 0:13:28 GMT
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 23, 2017 10:46:31 GMT
Asking NATO members to send military troops to the Russia-Latvia border is a very hard move in my opinion, but if that doesn't convince you there is the refusal from Obama to give Putin the coordinates of ISIS military camps in Syria and, in general, the refusal of cooperation in Middle-East; his total support in favor of economic sanctions to Russia and just before the ending of his presidency he expelled from USA 35 Russian ambassadors, which is another very hard move that no other state does. Clinton in her campaign has spoken pretty clearly about her stance against Russia under any point of view, even more vehemently than Obama, from economy to politics through stategy. To me this is not wise foreign policy. Hard but necessary move, I think it is a bit easy for people that have not lived WW2 to underestimate what represent the first change of hands of part of lands between Euro country in Crimea. Except if Russia thought of US troops in Latvia as a treat in any way (obviously they didn't), it can be insulting to paint the Russian as an invasion force, but not more than that, they is not anything war like in this, except if the Russian had any intention to move troops in Latvia obviously and then...... Other state does not publicly do move like Russia did with the DNC leak either and isn't it common ? Canada did expel Russian and other country ambassadors and diplomat from time to time. I didn't knew about the lack of communication of ISIS information with Russia thought, but that does not surprise me, both state probably don't care that much about ISIS (why would they, what does it have to do with them) but one want to keep Assad there, the other would love to see him remove, that must create tension. "Necessary move"? For what? What outcome was Obama thinking of getting from a diplomatic point of view? Well, of course the troop thing had not some practical usage, it was a message, because it was just about some hundreds of soldiers, but still it's a very serious move to do. You don't randomly send military at the border against your very best enemy, you know. Regarding the Assad topic, you're right, Putin supports him and Obama armed Al-Nusra rebels, but ISIS still has a huge part in that game since it's against Assad. As for the ambassadors, of course it's not uncommon to expel one, it depends on the matter, but expelling 35 a week before the new president takes your seat, who happens to support your enemy, well... I think you got it.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 23, 2017 22:44:54 GMT
Drip, drip, drip. edition.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/adam-schiff-trump-russia-grand-jury/index.htmlThe top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee is claiming that he has been presented with new information on collusion between associates of President Donald Trump and Russia that would merit a grand jury investigation. Rep. Adam Schiff told CNN Thursday that he had seen additional evidence, but would not specify what it was. "We continue to get new information that, I think, paints a more complete picture of at least what we know at the outset of our investigation," Schiff said. Asked to explain his comments earlier in the week when he said there was more than just "circumstantial evidence of collusion," Schiff said, "I do think that it's appropriate to say that it's the kind of evidence that you would submit to a grand jury at the beginning of an investigation. "It's not the kind of evidence that you take to a trial jury when you're trying to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. But we're at the beginning of an investigation, and given the gravity of the subject matter, I think that the evidence certainly warrants us doing a thorough investigation."
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 25, 2017 1:13:25 GMT
gma.yahoo.com/white-house-calls-reported-trump-meeting-russian-ambassador-035054205--abc-news-topstories.htmlThe White House is downplaying reports that then-candidate Donald Trump met the Russian ambassador to the United States at a 2016 campaign event, just before Trump delivered a speech that called for “an easing of tensions” with Russia. The reports of Trump’s April 2016 encounter with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak comes just days after two of Trump's top advisers -- former national security adviser Michael Flynn and Attorney General Jeff Sessions -- became embroiled in controversy following the revelation that they each spoke with the ambassador prior to the Inauguration. Kislyak was seated in the front row as Trump delivered a 45-minute foreign policy address at Washington’s Mayflower Hotel, ABC News reported Sunday. “If they met, it was in passing at arrival reception hosted by National Interest which [Trump] was present at for all of 5 minutes,” a senior White House official said Saturday. “We arrived minutes before the speech began and departed immediately after.” Last May, the Wall Street Journal reported that Trump met the ambassador at a private reception prior to speech, sponsored by the Center for the National Interest, a non-partisan think tank. Nothing suspicious at all.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 25, 2017 20:55:02 GMT
Hmm!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2017 4:16:14 GMT
Nothing to see here folks!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2017 14:29:43 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-sought-to-block-sally-yates-from-testifying-to-congress-on-russia/2017/03/28/82b73e18-13b4-11e7-9e4f-09aa75d3ec57_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.195f17ae2970"The Trump administration sought to block former acting attorney general Sally Yates from testifying to Congress in the House investigation of links between Russian officials and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, The Washington Post has learned, a position that is likely to further anger Democrats who have accused Republicans of trying to damage the probe. According to a series of letters reviewed by The Post, Yates was notified earlier this month by the Justice Department that the administration considers a great deal of her possible testimony to be barred from discussion in a congressional hearing because the topics are covered by the presidential communication privilege. Ms. Yates and other former intelligence officials had been asked to testify before the House Intelligence Committee this week, a hearing that was abruptly canceled by the panel’s chairman, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.). Yates was the deputy attorney general in the final years of the Obama administration, and served as the acting attorney general in the first days of the Trump administration." This is not something an innocent person would do.
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Post by quetee on Mar 28, 2017 17:12:24 GMT
Nothing to see here folks! even stevie wonder ain't signing off on that
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Post by quetee on Mar 28, 2017 17:18:43 GMT
Lmao...if it walks like a duck, it's a duck. If it looks like a treason.....cough...it's treason.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 28, 2017 21:40:07 GMT
This is the smokiest Trump's Russian ties have ever been. www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/28/trump-business-past-ties-russian-mobsters-organized-crime/98321252/Trump's business network reached alleged Russian mobsters • A partner in the firm that developed the Trump SoHo Hotel in New York is a twice-convicted felon who spent a year in prison for stabbing a man and later scouted for Trump investments in Russia. • An investor in the SoHo project was accused by Belgian authorities in 2011 in a $55 million money-laundering scheme. • Three owners of Trump condos in Florida and Manhattan were accused in federal indictments of belonging to a Russian-American organized crime group and working for a major international crime boss based in Russia. • A former mayor from Kazakhstan was accused in a federal lawsuit filed in Los Angeles in 2014 of hiding millions of dollars looted from his city, some of which was spent on three Trump SoHo units. • A Ukrainian owner of two Trump condos in Florida was indicted in a money-laundering scheme involving a former prime minister of Ukraine.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 29, 2017 4:04:11 GMT
Why the hell is this not called "The Trussia Thread"?
It works two ways because if you say it outloud it sounds like a bad English accent by an American saying "treasure".
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Post by atn on Mar 29, 2017 7:30:58 GMT
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 29, 2017 20:17:02 GMT
More updates on the Trump / Russia investigations.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 29, 2017 20:19:17 GMT
Why the hell is this not called "The Trussia Thread"? It works two ways because if you say it outloud it sounds like a bad English accent by an American saying "treasure". It's the title of I thought of when I first made the thread. Not much else to it. I guess Trussia works better, but Trump / Russia sounds more "simple".
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 30, 2017 3:39:13 GMT
It's the title of I thought of when I first made the thread. Not much else to it. I guess Trussia works better, but Trump / Russia sounds more "simple". Look mommy a neverending circus. Cue frantic music.
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