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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 8, 2017 14:16:38 GMT
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 9, 2017 4:29:30 GMT
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 10, 2017 0:56:06 GMT
www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-director-james-comey-meets-with-congress-gang-of-eight/index.html Sources on the Senate Intelligence Committee said they want all the potential Trump associates who allegedly spoke with Russian officials to testify before the committee. This includes former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and former adviser Carter Page. It's unclear when they would come before the committee, but senators say they haven't ruled out the prospect of subpoenas if those Trump associates don't comply. Wow, that's pretty huge news. Also, the democrats apparently have the power to subpoena Trump's tax returns themselves.
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Post by atn on Mar 12, 2017 4:24:53 GMT
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 12, 2017 4:55:22 GMT
I mean, I know that the whole Russia thing plays to people's inner conspiracy theorist and it gets clicks, but how about focusing on what Trump's doing and proposing and leave news about Russia down to their social media propaganda and what Putin is doing to Ukraine? If some smoking gun comes out that proves the Trump/Russia conspiracy, then we can talk about it but until then it's just getting your hopes up on conspiracy theories.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 12, 2017 5:24:24 GMT
Sure they can say that, and Trump might, in fact, be innocent (though I find that hard to believe) but there are way too many Trump administration members talking to the same Russian ambassador/spy recruiter, for it to be a coincidence. Quoting Sessions or any of Trump's staff is especially not evidence of anything since they're all well-known liars (it's a Trump staff requirement). Sessions, in particular, was revealed as having spoken to Kislyak, not once, not twice, but three times. Also, keep in mind this whole "scandal" started because of a dossier compiled by a now former British intelligent officer named Christopher Steele. I don't think a respected agent would release a dossier of that kind of magnitude or speculating claim unless they thought there was something there, at least.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 12, 2017 5:46:50 GMT
I mean, I know that the whole Russia thing plays to people's inner conspiracy theorist and it gets clicks, but how about focusing on what Trump's doing and proposing and leave news about Russia down to their social media propaganda and what Putin is doing to Ukraine? If some smoking gun comes out that proves the Trump/Russia conspiracy, then we can talk about it but until then it's just getting your hopes up on conspiracy theories. Well the IC is actually investigating Russia's interference in 2016 election, so I'm not really I'd call it a conspiracy theory, more like a potential political scandal. I just think there's way too much "smoke" out there for this not to lead to anything. I mean look at Trump's staff past and present, Carter Page his former Foreign policy advisor gave some bafflings interviews two weeks where he refused to criticize Russia, and Roger Stone just recently admitted to meeting a person who was involved with the DNC hack last year and lets not forget that Trump's staff is trying to shut down any investigations against him. They wouldn't be doing that if they didn't at least have something to hide. I mean it might all just one big "hearsay", but it's certainly a conspiracy with a lot of potential ties and possible evidence.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 12, 2017 5:51:59 GMT
I mean, I know that the whole Russia thing plays to people's inner conspiracy theorist and it gets clicks, but how about focusing on what Trump's doing and proposing and leave news about Russia down to their social media propaganda and what Putin is doing to Ukraine? If some smoking gun comes out that proves the Trump/Russia conspiracy, then we can talk about it but until then it's just getting your hopes up on conspiracy theories. Well the IC is actually investigating Russia's interference in 2016 election, so I'm not really I'd call it a conspiracy theory, more like a potential political scandal. I just think there's way too much "smoke" out there for this not to lead to anything. I mean look at Trump's staff past and present, Carter Page his former Foreign policy advisor gave some bafflings interviews two weeks where he refused to criticize Russia, and Roger Stone just recently admitted to meeting a person who was involved with the DNC hack last year and lets not forget that Trump's staff is trying to shut down any investigations against him. They wouldn't be doing that if they didn't at least have something to hide. I mean it might all just one big "hearsay", but it's certainly a conspiracy with a lot of potential ties and possible evidence. Yeah, and when the IC concludes their investigation then we'll see what the results are, but I just don't think we should be focusing too much on what is a possible scandal (which, until proven, is a conspiracy theory at this point) when the main priority should be the many reasons we have right now to challenge Trump and call him out on the issues.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 12, 2017 6:01:38 GMT
Well the IC is actually investigating Russia's interference in 2016 election, so I'm not really I'd call it a conspiracy theory, more like a potential political scandal. I just think there's way too much "smoke" out there for this not to lead to anything. I mean look at Trump's staff past and present, Carter Page his former Foreign policy advisor gave some bafflings interviews two weeks where he refused to criticize Russia, and Roger Stone just recently admitted to meeting a person who was involved with the DNC hack last year and lets not forget that Trump's staff is trying to shut down any investigations against him. They wouldn't be doing that if they didn't at least have something to hide. I mean it might all just one big "hearsay", but it's certainly a conspiracy with a lot of potential ties and possible evidence. Yeah, and when the IC concludes their investigation then we'll see what the results are, but I just don't think we should be focusing too much on what is a possible scandal (which, until proven, is a conspiracy theory at this point) when the main priority should be the many reasons we have right now to challenge Trump and call him out on the issues. Oh true. I don't think we should forget about the terrible laws that the GOP and Trump are trying to pass, that's an important priority, indeed. I don't think we should forget/ignore Russia's interference into the election either, though.
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 13, 2017 12:53:16 GMT
I didn't vote for Trump, though. Trump wants to improve our relations with Russia so we can work together to take out the real enemy, ISIS unlike Clinton and the establishment in both parties who want to restart the Cold War. THANK YOU.
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Post by cornnetto on Mar 13, 2017 17:28:00 GMT
Not sure that ISIS is a real enemy of Russia, it can export some of is terrorists there, is destabilization of the region and the migrant crisis it help to make bigger is weakening the EU project, it gave Russia a good excuse to go in Syria and fight the enemy of Assad to keep in power (apparently 90% of the Russian military are not fighting Isis there, but actively fighting other anti-regime rebels)
Not sure how and why ISIS is a Russian enemy at the moment.
I don't know why people bring an idea of Clinton wanting a war against Russia, that always sound a bit ridiculous to me.
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Post by flasuss on Mar 14, 2017 4:25:22 GMT
Not sure that ISIS is a real enemy of Russia, it can export some of is terrorists there, is destabilization of the region and the migrant crisis it help to make bigger is weakening the EU project, it gave Russia a good excuse to go in Syria and fight the enemy of Assad to keep in power (apparently 90% of the Russian military are not fighting Isis there, but actively fighting other anti-regime rebels) Not sure how and why ISIS is a Russian enemy at the moment. I don't know why people bring an idea of Clinton wanting a war against Russia, that always sound a bit ridiculous to me. Yep. Anyone that says "Russia is seriously fighting ISIS" is an idiot. They are focusing on other enemies of Assad precisely so only ISIS is left and they can turn the conflict into a Assad or ISIS scenario. Trump wants to support Russia because he got the support he need to win the election from the Russians, because he was too dumb to see that if he did win Putin would have him by the balls and make him his bitch, which is what happening now.
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 14, 2017 9:13:06 GMT
Not sure that ISIS is a real enemy of Russia, it can export some of is terrorists there, is destabilization of the region and the migrant crisis it help to make bigger is weakening the EU project, it gave Russia a good excuse to go in Syria and fight the enemy of Assad to keep in power (apparently 90% of the Russian military are not fighting Isis there, but actively fighting other anti-regime rebels) Not sure how and why ISIS is a Russian enemy at the moment. I don't know why people bring an idea of Clinton wanting a war against Russia, that always sound a bit ridiculous to me. Yes but we should look at the concrete actions, Assad's enemies are ISIS and Al-Nusra rebels (military supported by Obama), so whether or not Putin cares about ISIS or about personal interests he's still fighting them. People in Aleppo have flags of Russia and Hezbollah (who protected the Christians in Syria borders) because they basically liberated the city. Plus, let's talk about Hillary. Do you know that Obama(Hillary would have continued his foreign policy in a more aggressive way) asked vehemently other members of NATO, Italy included, to send military at the border Latvia-Russia? Dems wanted Putin to respond and yes, they want war with Russia, probabily because they want the Middle-East all for them and they don't like the idea of Putin taking more power. Americans have always been imperialists. Now what I'm asking you is: Democrats are whining about Trump bringing WWIII. How is that even possible with his friendship with Russia? Americans should be happy to have a president who prevented terrible relationships with the other biggest political power in the world. Otherwise I'd feel that Democrats are the real Trump. They talk about peace but in fact they want war with Russia for no reason. Trump's policy is leant towards the interior, is a more isolationist stance. That's just great considering where Obama and Clinton wanted to go. That's why I really feared Hillary as a President: she would have meant identitarian death of European states to EU, EU submission to Washington, war with Russia, total destabilization of the Arab countries.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 15, 2017 17:54:51 GMT
Not sure that ISIS is a real enemy of Russia, it can export some of is terrorists there, is destabilization of the region and the migrant crisis it help to make bigger is weakening the EU project, it gave Russia a good excuse to go in Syria and fight the enemy of Assad to keep in power (apparently 90% of the Russian military are not fighting Isis there, but actively fighting other anti-regime rebels) Not sure how and why ISIS is a Russian enemy at the moment. I don't know why people bring an idea of Clinton wanting a war against Russia, that always sound a bit ridiculous to me. Yes but we should look at the concrete actions, Assad's enemies are ISIS and Al-Nusra rebels (military supported by Obama), so whether or not Putin cares about ISIS or about personal interests he's still fighting them. People in Aleppo have flags of Russia and Hezbollah (who protected the Christians in Syria borders) because they basically liberated the city. Plus, let's talk about Hillary. Do you know that Obama(Hillary would have continued his foreign policy in a more aggressive way) asked vehemently other members of NATO, Italy included, to send military at the border Latvia-Russia? Dems wanted Putin to respond and yes, they want war with Russia, probabily because they want the Middle-East all for them and they don't like the idea of Putin taking more power. Americans have always been imperialists. Now what I'm asking you is: Democrats are whining about Trump bringing WWIII. How is that even possible with his friendship with Russia? Americans should be happy to have a president who prevented terrible relationships with the other biggest political power in the world. Otherwise I'd feel that Democrats are the real Trump. They talk about peace but in fact they want war with Russia for no reason. Trump's policy is leant towards the interior, is a more isolationist stance. That's just great considering where Obama and Clinton wanted to go. That's why I really feared Hillary as a President: she would have meant identitarian death of European states to EU, EU submission to Washington, war with Russia, total destabilization of the Arab countries. People are scared of Trump's connections to Russia because of his seemingly too overly buddy buddy relationship with Putin, to the point where he won't even insult the man, despite the fact that he has no issue with insulting every other world leader. I and many other people think that there's nothing good about Trump's relationship with Russia, and Russia is hardly the other biggest political power. Their economy's actually pretty poor, they're just great at hacking and being sneaky. Also, Trump is trying to go war with Iran, all the signs are there, not to mention Trump's crappy healthcare plan which could kill thousands, his immature rants, his constant attempted pushback on social progress (a GOP staple), his climate change denial, or the fact that Bannon admitted that he wants to see America basically be destroyed, and yet somehow you think he'll be do better than Hillary or even Obama. I'm not sure I agree with you.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 20, 2017 15:28:43 GMT
Also, Roger Stone and other people involved in the Trump administration who have Russian ties are being investigated.
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Post by ibad on Mar 21, 2017 0:56:55 GMT
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 21, 2017 2:28:48 GMT
And the hits just keep coming.
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 21, 2017 13:54:35 GMT
Yes but we should look at the concrete actions, Assad's enemies are ISIS and Al-Nusra rebels (military supported by Obama), so whether or not Putin cares about ISIS or about personal interests he's still fighting them. People in Aleppo have flags of Russia and Hezbollah (who protected the Christians in Syria borders) because they basically liberated the city. Plus, let's talk about Hillary. Do you know that Obama(Hillary would have continued his foreign policy in a more aggressive way) asked vehemently other members of NATO, Italy included, to send military at the border Latvia-Russia? Dems wanted Putin to respond and yes, they want war with Russia, probabily because they want the Middle-East all for them and they don't like the idea of Putin taking more power. Americans have always been imperialists. Now what I'm asking you is: Democrats are whining about Trump bringing WWIII. How is that even possible with his friendship with Russia? Americans should be happy to have a president who prevented terrible relationships with the other biggest political power in the world. Otherwise I'd feel that Democrats are the real Trump. They talk about peace but in fact they want war with Russia for no reason. Trump's policy is leant towards the interior, is a more isolationist stance. That's just great considering where Obama and Clinton wanted to go. That's why I really feared Hillary as a President: she would have meant identitarian death of European states to EU, EU submission to Washington, war with Russia, total destabilization of the Arab countries. People are scared of Trump's connections to Russia because of his seemingly too overly buddy buddy relationship with Putin, to the point where he won't even insult the man, despite the fact that he has no issue with insulting every other world leader. I and many other people think that there's nothing good about Trump's relationship with Russia, and Russia is hardly the other biggest political power. Their economy's actually pretty poor, they're just great at hacking and being sneaky. Also, Trump is trying to go war with Iran, all the signs are there, not to mention Trump's crappy healthcare plan which could kill thousands, his immature rants, his constant attempted pushback on social progress (a GOP staple), his climate change denial, or the fact that Bannon admitted that he wants to see America basically be destroyed, and yet somehow you think he'll be do better than Hillary or even Obama. I'm not sure I agree with you. People are scared because his relationship with Putin is too "buddy-buddy"? Do you realize how completely insane this sounds? Nothing good about this friendship? What's most important now is cooperation and, yes, friendship between USA and Russia, the two biggest frontiers of politics which some decades ago used to be at a terrible cold war, that was about to be revived by Clinton/Obama. I don't care if Trump is a puppet or not, what's most important is the collaboration between this two countries in Middle-East especially, since Obama did a total catastrophe there by arguing with Putin and letting ISIS arming itself, blowing up Libya killing Gheddafi (from which thousands of refugees and terrorists enter Europe).
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 21, 2017 22:44:32 GMT
People are scared of Trump's connections to Russia because of his seemingly too overly buddy buddy relationship with Putin, to the point where he won't even insult the man, despite the fact that he has no issue with insulting every other world leader. I and many other people think that there's nothing good about Trump's relationship with Russia, and Russia is hardly the other biggest political power. Their economy's actually pretty poor, they're just great at hacking and being sneaky. Also, Trump is trying to go war with Iran, all the signs are there, not to mention Trump's crappy healthcare plan which could kill thousands, his immature rants, his constant attempted pushback on social progress (a GOP staple), his climate change denial, or the fact that Bannon admitted that he wants to see America basically be destroyed, and yet somehow you think he'll be do better than Hillary or even Obama. I'm not sure I agree with you. People are scared because his relationship with Putin is too "buddy-buddy"? Do you realize how completely insane this sounds? Nothing good about this friendship? What's most important now is cooperation and, yes, friendship between USA and Russia, the two biggest frontiers of politics which some decades ago used to be at a terrible cold war, that was about to be revived by Clinton/Obama. I don't care if Trump is a puppet or not, what's most important is the collaboration between this two countries in Middle-East especially, since Obama did a total catastrophe there by arguing with Putin and letting ISIS arming itself, blowing up Libya killing Gheddafi (from which thousands of refugees and terrorists enter Europe). Putin and Trump's relationship is absolutely weird and bizarre, at the very least. Also if Trump were to basically be revealed to be a puppet, that would be a huge slap in the face to democracy in the U.S., you don't care about that? Plus it would further the conflict between U.S. and Russia. And the Trump / Russia thing relationship has nothing to do with the middle east (Trump's already planning an attack on Iran for money & oil, that has nothing to do with Putin, but hey at least he's "better" than Obama, right). It's all about lifting those sanctions in Ukraine.
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Post by ibad on Mar 22, 2017 3:11:13 GMT
We shouldn't let someone under FBI investigation fill a Supreme Court vacancy until we're sure he's not a Putin puppet.
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Post by quetee on Mar 22, 2017 4:19:59 GMT
And the hits just keep coming. Yikes. I mean seriously, sooner rather than later, people need to say, ummmm, okay maybe the allegations in regards to Trump are true. You can't ignore all the evidence.
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Post by quetee on Mar 22, 2017 4:23:17 GMT
My best guess:
After his insert number BK in the U.S, Trump had no other choice but to go to Russia and find another income source. He's an elitist and wanted to stay that way so he has to keep up his lifestyle. When all is said and done, we're going to find out that this whole thing was nothing more than a shell game.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 22, 2017 5:27:10 GMT
My best guess: After his insert number BK in the U.S, Trump had no other choice but to go to Russia and find another income source. He's an elitist and wanted to stay that way so he has to keep up his lifestyle. When all is said and done, we're going to find out that this whole thing was nothing more than a shell game. The story I'm going by, and the one I've heard the most is that Trump simply made some shady stupid business deals in Russia, and Putin's eventually got a hold of black, and blackmailed him, and don't even get me started on the whole golden showers bit. And that's not even taking into consideration Trump's own business deals in other countries including of all places China. There's a reason he doesn't want people to see his tax returns.
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 22, 2017 9:12:43 GMT
People are scared because his relationship with Putin is too "buddy-buddy"? Do you realize how completely insane this sounds? Nothing good about this friendship? What's most important now is cooperation and, yes, friendship between USA and Russia, the two biggest frontiers of politics which some decades ago used to be at a terrible cold war, that was about to be revived by Clinton/Obama. I don't care if Trump is a puppet or not, what's most important is the collaboration between this two countries in Middle-East especially, since Obama did a total catastrophe there by arguing with Putin and letting ISIS arming itself, blowing up Libya killing Gheddafi (from which thousands of refugees and terrorists enter Europe). Putin and Trump's relationship is absolutely weird and bizarre, at the very least. Also if Trump were to basically be revealed to be a puppet, that would be a huge slap in the face to democracy in the U.S., you don't care about that? Plus it would further the conflict between U.S. and Russia. And the Trump / Russia thing relationship has nothing to do with the middle east (Trump's already planning an attack on Iran for money & oil, that has nothing to do with Putin, but hey at least he's "better" than Obama, right). It's all about lifting those sanctions in Ukraine. And what about Clinton being upset about not hacking Palestinian elections? All you care is your democracy, it seems. As I told you before, if your concept of democracy was to bring someone like Clinton as POTUS, I'm absolutely relieved that Trump won. A puppet or not, I don't care as long as a new Cold War is avoided and Middle-East is not a place to argue between USA and Russia.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 22, 2017 12:21:19 GMT
apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government "President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin a decade ago and proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics, The Associated Press has learned. The work appears to contradict assertions by the Trump administration and Manafort himself that he never worked for Russian interests." And I'm sure all these Russian things are a coincidence.
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