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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 18, 2024 9:14:00 GMT
And the first winner in this series is:
Director/Actor Best Film #1: Scorsese & DeNiro ---- Goodfellas (17 votes) (RU: Taxi Driver. 10 votes)
Up next, David Fincher and Brad Pitt, who have done 3 films together
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Post by Steve17 on Mar 18, 2024 11:12:27 GMT
Fight Club for both film and performance, but to be honest, I don't care for the other two.
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Post by JangoB on Mar 18, 2024 13:06:16 GMT
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Post by ibbi on Mar 18, 2024 13:13:16 GMT
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Post by Nikan on Mar 18, 2024 13:15:07 GMT
The SOAPING classic Fight Club.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 18, 2024 13:29:43 GMT
Let's ask the GOAT Pacino here co-starring with "iconic" nice guy with cupcakes eyes Keanu Reeves, who is not as good an actor - or at least not much like - Bradley Cooper, Gary Cooper, Clint Eastwoood - but is sorta like Kevin Costner I guess L MAO  .......so take it away GOAT: |
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Post by stephen on Mar 18, 2024 13:37:45 GMT
Se7en.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 18, 2024 13:40:51 GMT
I'm voting Fight Club.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 18, 2024 14:15:17 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? |
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Post by Nikan on Mar 18, 2024 14:28:45 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that...... .JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? Well I - who you so atraciously left out yesman, but that's still like the 6th worst thing you've done today - guess everyone would've praised it's "stylish" cinematography and whatever we overvalue these days... but would have moved on from it by the end of that year, if not it's month of release tbh. |
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Post by JangoB on Mar 18, 2024 15:36:48 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? Look, I think the movie could still work but it certainly wouldn't work as well as it does now. Knowing what happens in the real ending, the alternative one you describe just reads like a bit of a betrayal - Se7en is a movie of dread and hopelessness, and the dark ending is crucial for the complete realization of that mood concept. The alternative ending would've been a very specific statement: there IS hope in a dark world after all. I'm sure it would've worked for plenty of viewers on a story level and on a message level. But this ain't Western Union. For me Se7en is mostly about the atmosphere and the feeling of doom, and those things would've cracked a bit with that "ray of light" denouement. |
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Post by Nikan on Mar 18, 2024 15:59:28 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? Look, I think the movie could still work but it certainly wouldn't work as well as it does now. Knowing what happens in the real ending, the alternative one you describe just reads like a bit of a betrayal - Se7en is a movie of dread and hopelessness, and the dark ending is crucial for the complete realization of that mood concept. The alternative ending would've been a very specific statement: there IS hope in a dark world after all. I'm sure it would've worked for plenty of viewers on a story level and on a message level. But this ain't Western Union. For me Se7en is mostly about the atmosphere and the feeling of doom, and those things would've cracked a bit with that "ray of light" denouement.This may sound hersey but Rashomon has this problem no?... like what's with that smile at the end? that kid's gonna grow up and be a liar like everybody else in this damned world lmao. |
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Post by JangoB on Mar 18, 2024 16:02:22 GMT
Look, I think the movie could still work but it certainly wouldn't work as well as it does now. Knowing what happens in the real ending, the alternative one you describe just reads like a bit of a betrayal - Se7en is a movie of dread and hopelessness, and the dark ending is crucial for the complete realization of that mood concept. The alternative ending would've been a very specific statement: there IS hope in a dark world after all. I'm sure it would've worked for plenty of viewers on a story level and on a message level. But this ain't Western Union. For me Se7en is mostly about the atmosphere and the feeling of doom, and those things would've cracked a bit with that "ray of light" denouement.This may sound hersey but Rashomon has this problem no?... like what's with that smile at the end? that kid's gonna grow up and be a liar like everybody else in this damned world lmao. gloom and doom Rashomon's main concept? Been a while since I saw it... |
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Post by ibbi on Mar 18, 2024 16:06:56 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? I think it would literally technically work, but it would SUCK. As important, or more, than message, victory, morality, etc. is FEELING. Nobody can tell me with a straight face they're going to feel better walking out of that movie with the moral victory. Se7en is so good because Fincher drags you down into the depths of the pit so dark it's so cozy and so right you don't even want to climb out. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 18, 2024 16:15:37 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? No, it absolutely wouldn't work. Nor would it work with the other proposed ending of Somerset killing John Doe instead of Mills. It is a grand sweeping tragedy bathed in blood, and it only works if Doe's plan succeeds. Any other ending would be a whimper. |
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Post by Nikan on Mar 18, 2024 16:18:24 GMT
This may sound hersey but Rashomon has this problem no?... like what's with that smile at the end? that kid's gonna grow up and be a liar like everybody else in this damned world lmao. gloom and doom Rashomon's main concept? Been a while since I saw it... It centers around a murder; proves that we will never find a grasp on the truth; everyone is out for themselves... it's even raining while all of these are told |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 18, 2024 16:29:35 GMT
I’m going with Se7en
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 18, 2024 17:09:41 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? Look, I think the movie could still work but it certainly wouldn't work as well as it does now. Knowing what happens in the real ending, the alternative one you describe just reads like a bit of a betrayal - Se7en is a movie of dread and hopelessness, and the dark ending is crucial for the complete realization of that mood concept. The alternative ending would've been a very specific statement: there IS hope in a dark world after all. I'm sure it would've worked for plenty of viewers on a story level and on a message level. But this ain't Western Union. For me Se7en is mostly about the atmosphere and the feeling of doom, and those things would've cracked a bit with that "ray of light" denouement. It's very interesting to compare this to SotL just in its ending - and this is how I feel as well ^........SotL ends with a sick joke that was out of step with the film (arguably) but is extremely memorable - and is a happy ending "in a way" (again, arguably) and won a shitload of Oscars......... and Se7en bummed everybody the fnck out..................... but has held up as well on its own terms specifically because that the bumming everybody out is its strongest attribute.............you can actually study both those 2 screenplays and learn a whole lot about screenplays and their dramatic arc and effect |
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 18, 2024 23:04:04 GMT
Benjamin Button
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 19, 2024 0:26:09 GMT
Oooh....Fight Club making a ummm...fight of this. Coming behind from way back to within 4 votes of Seven ( which I did expect to run away with it on this board)
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 19, 2024 4:14:02 GMT
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 19, 2024 4:39:07 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? Huh, I actually have always been of the mindset that Se7en is a good movie that gets elevated to greatness specifically because of how its final act goes. I just don't see it having anywhere near the staying power or intrigue if the ending goes any other way. Hell, I'd even suggest the ending is arguably more interesting than much of the film. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 19, 2024 4:47:31 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? Huh, I actually have always been of the mindset that Se7en is a good movie that gets elevated to greatness specifically because of how its final act goes. I just don't see it having anywhere near the staying power or intrigue if the ending goes any other way. Hell, I'd even suggest the ending is arguably more interesting than much of the film. This. Se7en is a good solid procedural for most of it's runtime, but elevated to what it is because of the final act. It's a great film, but I don't know if it's still be a great film with a different third act denouement. It's why I pick Fight Club as the best film of the pair. The whole film is thematically, visually and stylistically interesting and unique, not just the final act ( which also presents surprises as well). The script and dialogue are more memorable as well. For me, it has much more rewatch value than Se7en. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 19, 2024 4:58:49 GMT
Can I just drop a question about Se7en - even if you didn't for it.......if Se7en had ended the complete OTHER way with Pitt, walking away and Spacey "losing" would it still work? I argued a lot on IMDB that the script is so good in Se7en that, well THAT ending works just as well as the other one and both seem fully realized.......there's not many movies like that....... JangoB for example what sayeth thee? ibbi? stephen? Huh, I actually have always been of the mindset that Se7en is a good movie that gets elevated to greatness specifically because of how its final act goes. I just don't see it having anywhere near the staying power or intrigue if the ending goes any other way. Hell, I'd even suggest the ending is arguably more interesting than much of the film. Preposterous. Se7en is a classic either way. It's a detective story that completely flashes out the crime and takes you deeper into it. Its appeal is in its detective work which makes it different than say Chinatown or The Big Sleep, which mostly just makes it convoluted to follow the tracks. But Se7en is in my opinion different than those 2 and the fact that we've never seen a movie like it is what makes it stand out. In my opinion it's a classic either way. The Silence of the Lambs on the other hand is more about the characters and the psychology between Lector and Clarice. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 19, 2024 9:29:56 GMT
Huh, I actually have always been of the mindset that Se7en is a good movie that gets elevated to greatness specifically because of how its final act goes. I just don't see it having anywhere near the staying power or intrigue if the ending goes any other way. Hell, I'd even suggest the ending is arguably more interesting than much of the film. Preposterous. Se7en is a classic either way. It's a detective story that completely flashes out the crime and takes you deeper into it. Its appeal is in its detective work which makes it different than say Chinatown or The Big Sleep, which mostly just makes it convoluted to follow the tracks. But Se7en is in my opinion different than those 2 and the fact that we've never seen a movie like it is what makes it stand out. In my opinion it's a classic either way. The Silence of the Lambs on the other hand is more about the characters and the psychology between Lector and Clarice. I'm just saying that script is so well written it would not seem like a cheat, that's all ........ not saying it would have been "beter" just that artistically it's justifiable - I mean there's still a head in a box after all ....... One of the great things about Se7en are in the little detective pieces themselves ^.....like getting the " library list of people who checked out flagged books" and things like that....... as someone who at one time checked out of my local library Kosinski's Steps, Connell's Diary of a Rapist and Perec's A Man Asleep I am always afraid that the FBI will show up at my door looking for a serial killer........... when I'm mostly harmless and lovably odd and stuff  |
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.......so take it away GOAT:
