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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 1:41:58 GMT
Film Twitter always have their opinions on who should win what, but found this tweet interesting because it's got a lot of engagement (lots of quote comments etc), and the general consensus seems to mostly be in agreement that these are the picks that should have won ( most of them didn't, bar one). Plus conversation here today has been pretty dead, so why not? 2022: Colin Farrell in The Banshees Of Inisherin: Yep, that's an on brand choice for Film Twitter, and he was the guy that had the most support during the season from Film Twitter, even though it became increasingly clear the race was between eventual winner Brendan Fraser in The Whale and Austin Butler in Elvis ( who was my personal choice of to win). 2021: Denzel Washington in The Tragedy Of Macbeth. Now this is a complete about-turn, because he was not the Film Twitter favorite at the time. Or even close to it. I'd say he was a distant third in Film Twitter support to win behind Benedict Cumberbatch in The Power Of The Dog and Andrew Garfield in Tick, Tick...Boom! The actual winner, Will Smith in King Richard was seen as a too populist and basic choice to get much support. But yeah, most of the Film Twitter consensus for this season has mostly shifted away from has shifted away from Cumberbatch and Garfield to Denzel ( who unsurprisingly was my choice to win ) 2020: Anthony Hopkins in The Father. The only one to actually win the Oscar. I'm not sure if he was the Film Twitter favorite at the time, though he was well liked by Film Twitter. He was probably 2nd favorite. I think the Film Twitter favorite was Riz Ahmed in The Sound Of Metal. But Hopkins win was so well liked and respected, that he's got the Film Twitter edge over Ahmed these days. 2019: Antonio Banderas in Pain And Glory. That seems about right for Film Twitter at the time ( and they've stuck with him it seems), even though he had almost no chance of winning. Joker was undergoing a pretty big backlash on Film Twitter, and by extension, Joaquin Phoenix's winning performance did receive backlash as well among Film Twitter types. Anyway, do people here think this 4 would make a better or worse set of winners than the actual last 4 winners? ( yes, I know Hopkins won)
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 8, 2024 2:10:35 GMT
Actually those would be my winners out of the nominees, except maybe swap Farrell for Mescal.
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Post by stephen on Mar 8, 2024 2:16:29 GMT
Society would be in a much better place in those were our last four winners. (I do prefer Phoenix over Banderas, but I still feel like Joaquin won for a "Greatest Hits" compilation of previous better performances he's given.) That fucking Fraser win is an embarrassment.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 2:25:11 GMT
Society would be in a much better place in those were our last four winners. (I do prefer Phoenix over Banderas, but I still feel like Joaquin won for a "Greatest Hits" compilation of previous better performances he's given.) That fucking Fraser win is an embarrassment. I like Fraser as an actor and a man, but I do think while Farrell will always Film Twitter/cinephile appeal for Banshees ( or even Mescal for Aftersun), Austin Butler's metoric rise as something of an Actors Actor, will probably have more general audiences citing him as the guy who should have won the Oscar that year.
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Post by stephen on Mar 8, 2024 2:29:18 GMT
Society would be in a much better place in those were our last four winners. (I do prefer Phoenix over Banderas, but I still feel like Joaquin won for a "Greatest Hits" compilation of previous better performances he's given.) That fucking Fraser win is an embarrassment. I like Fraser as an actor and a man, but I do think while Farrell will always Film Twitter/cinephile appeal for Banshees, Austin Butler's metoric rise as something of an Actors Actor, will have more general audiences citing him as the guy who should have won the Oscar that year. Meh, I know Butler's your guy but I don't think Elvis is going to have the staying power to be anything more than your typical musical biopic performance. Film buffs and Oscar buzzers will stand behind Farrell (and maybe a few behind Mescal with the arthouse crowd), but I don't think anyone's going to say in five years that Butler was the one who was robbed.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 2:38:38 GMT
I like Fraser as an actor and a man, but I do think while Farrell will always Film Twitter/cinephile appeal for Banshees, Austin Butler's metoric rise as something of an Actors Actor, will have more general audiences citing him as the guy who should have won the Oscar that year. Meh, I know Butler's your guy but I don't think Elvis is going to have the staying power to be anything more than your typical musical biopic performance. Film buffs and Oscar buzzers will stand behind Farrell (and maybe a few behind Mescal with the arthouse crowd), but I don't think anyone's going to say in five years that Butler was the one who was robbed. Butler has just given a performance that a million Vilenueve devotees ( and they are becoming almost as powerful a force as Nolanites) think should currently win the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for ( don't know if that'll happen, but wouldn't be shocked if he's nominated). Even Film Twitter loves Butler in Dune. That's a shitload of goodwill in your pocket that transfers. Plus, general audiences loved Elvis. I think it'll have more staying power as a performance in the public consciousness than say a biopic like Lincoln, because it's a much more rewatchable and entertaining film. We'll see, but I stand by my belief that Butler's Elvis will be held in high esteem for a lot of years. The way actors unprompted like Gary Oldman and Brad Pitt were talking about it in awe can't be ignored either. It's not just another run of the mill musical biopic performance, imho.
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Post by stephen on Mar 8, 2024 3:09:38 GMT
Meh, I know Butler's your guy but I don't think Elvis is going to have the staying power to be anything more than your typical musical biopic performance. Film buffs and Oscar buzzers will stand behind Farrell (and maybe a few behind Mescal with the arthouse crowd), but I don't think anyone's going to say in five years that Butler was the one who was robbed. Butler has just given a performance that a million Vilenueve devotees ( and they are becoming almost as powerful a force as Nolanites) think should currently win the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for ( don't know if that'll happen, but wouldn't be shocked if he's nominated). Even Film Twitter loves Butler in Dune. That's a shitload of goodwill in your pocket that transfers. Plus, general audiences loved Elvis. I think it'll have more staying power as a performance in the public consciousness than say a biopic like Lincoln, because it's a much more rewatchable and entertaining film. We'll see, but I stand by my belief that Butler's Elvis will be held in high esteem for a lot of years. The way actors unprompted like Gary Oldman and Brad Pitt were talking about it in awe can't be ignored either. It's not just another run of the mill musical biopic performance, imho. A million Villeneuve devotees can say whatever the hell they want, it's March, they've not seen anything else in competition. I'm sure Butler's performance will age a hell of a lot better than Fraser and be considered one of the top portrayals of the King, but I'd be willing to bet that in five years, regardless of where Butler's star goes from here, people aren't going to be considering his loss as the robbery of 2023. It'll still be Colin Farrell. Elvis is going to be seen exactly as it is: a popular star-making vehicle for Butler.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 3:13:53 GMT
I'm also kind of surprised by how little staying power The Power Of The Dog ( and Benedict Cumberbatch's performance) seems to have had with Film Twitter. I swear people were talking as if his performance would be held in the same esteem as Day-Lewis Plainview in There Will Be Blood.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 3:20:34 GMT
Butler has just given a performance that a million Vilenueve devotees ( and they are becoming almost as powerful a force as Nolanites) think should currently win the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for ( don't know if that'll happen, but wouldn't be shocked if he's nominated). Even Film Twitter loves Butler in Dune. That's a shitload of goodwill in your pocket that transfers. Plus, general audiences loved Elvis. I think it'll have more staying power as a performance in the public consciousness than say a biopic like Lincoln, because it's a much more rewatchable and entertaining film. We'll see, but I stand by my belief that Butler's Elvis will be held in high esteem for a lot of years. The way actors unprompted like Gary Oldman and Brad Pitt were talking about it in awe can't be ignored either. It's not just another run of the mill musical biopic performance, imho. but I'd be willing to bet that in five years, regardless of where Butler's star goes from here, people aren't going to be considering his loss as the robbery of 2023. It'll still be Colin Farrell. Elvis is going to be seen exactly as it is: a popular star-making vehicle for Butler. Depends which people you talk to. I already specified General Audiences would see Butler as the one who should have won the Oscar, and I haven't been convinced that there is some widespread outrage among general audiences that Farrell lost an Oscar. Yes, a smaller minority of hard-core film buffs, Film Twitter and places like here might cite Farrell, but I think Butler's performance will remain a much more impressive thing to general audiences.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 8, 2024 4:34:22 GMT
Society would be in a much better place in those were our last four winners. (I do prefer Phoenix over Banderas, but I still feel like Joaquin won for a "Greatest Hits" compilation of previous better performances he's given.) That fucking Fraser win is an embarrassment. Society would be in a much better place if it stopped treating Arthur Fleck like garbage. At least he got an Oscar though.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 8, 2024 4:39:45 GMT
I'd go Butler, Smith, Lindo in Da Five Bloods, and Phoenix. Relatively poppy picks for me but I think those are the best performances regardless of what you think of some of the movies. Picking anyone rather than Fraser for last year would be an improvement though. I'm also kind of surprised by how little staying power The Power Of The Dog ( and Benedict Cumberbatch's performance) seems to have had with Film Twitter. I swear people were talking as if his performance would be held in the same esteem as Day-Lewis Plainview in There Will Be Blood.Power of the Dog is the kind of thing you forget all about 15 minutes after you watch it, it ain't There Will Be Blood. Cumberbatch was good but he's not DDL either.
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Post by franklin on Mar 8, 2024 4:44:46 GMT
I'm also kind of surprised by how little staying power The Power Of The Dog ( and Benedict Cumberbatch's performance) seems to have had with Film Twitter. I swear people were talking as if his performance would be held in the same esteem as Day-Lewis Plainview in There Will Be Blood.Because in this Twitter era, everything is more fleeting, we pass quickly to the next season and the next after that, thus it's harder to remember a performance that doesn't win awards, let alone not be nominated.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 8, 2024 6:49:10 GMT
Film Twitter s out of their minds ........again however........ Farrell, Cumberbatch, Hopkins, are way in front in their years on merit - like way out in front .......of the nominees that is........but can we please stop with thinking Farrell ever had a chance to really win though? If Cumberbatch ain't DDL in TWBB neither is he and parts with that kind of arc - good to bad - don't often win.......Butler and Fraser were awful but it's pretty clear why Farrell lost - ........now on the flipside Will Smith is everything, and I mean everything necessary TO win in his role: He ages convincingly, transforms actually, he's funny, sad, he's a parent, a husband, homicidal even, culturally aware, weak, strong, an underdog, he does everything except the catering and I'm not sure he didn't do that ........he's the anti-Farrell ........he's the definition of an Oscar winning role, and performance ........though not mine
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 8:41:19 GMT
I'm just pleased and impressed that Film Twitter have come so heavily around to Denzel in The Tragedy Of Macbeth being the generationally great, all-timer performance that it is, that should have won the Best Actor Oscar ( the greatest Shakespearean lead film performance by an American actor, edging Welles in Chimes Of Midnight and the more supporting Brando in Julius Caesar). I feel like around the time, Denzel suffered his usual LeBron Effect with Film Twitter ( "yeah, it's Denzel, he's always great. Shrug. Shakespeare can be a bit of a drag too. Let's throw our passion behind others").
But I've noticed over the years how much that performance seems to have stuck with Film Twitter far more than any of the other nominees that year and the passion for the performance started kicking in well after the season was over.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 8:49:43 GMT
I'm also kind of surprised by how little staying power The Power Of The Dog ( and Benedict Cumberbatch's performance) seems to have had with Film Twitter. I swear people were talking as if his performance would be held in the same esteem as Day-Lewis Plainview in There Will Be Blood.Power of the Dog is the kind of thing you forget all about 15 minutes after you watch it, it ain't There Will Be Blood. Cumberbatch was good but he's not DDL either. Agreed. I think people were caught up in the moment on that one. And Cumberbatch ( like Garfield) had a lot of vocal fans on social media and he'd never won an Oscar, so that rooting factor may have been a contributing factor why the performance felt a bit overrated at the time. When he didn't win the Oscar, Film Twitter just moved on from the performance like it was no big deal. Had Cumberbatch won the Oscar, maybe some of the passion around the performance back then would have sustained.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 8, 2024 13:17:39 GMT
Not begrudging the picks, but this tweet is meaningless and isn’t really reflective of anything
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 13:25:30 GMT
Not begrudging the picks, but this tweet is meaningless and isn’t really reflective of anything It's got a lot of engagement (likes/quote comments etc) in agreement with those picks, so it's reflective how a section of Film Twitter feels about the last 4 Best Actor races. It's not really any deeper than that. It's no more reflective of anything than a poll or thread on this board asking what is better or what should have won what. Except that single tweet has about a thousand times more engagement than any poll and most threads here. So does that mean everything we say or discuss here is meaningless or reflective of nothing? Maybe. There is far less of us. Everything is as meaningful or as meaningless as you personally choose it to be. I think it's a fun way to discuss how Film Twitter thinks, but still hold my own opinions that often disagree with Film Twitter consensus. You take out of it as much as you choose to. I think it's definitely reflective of something though. Which is how a certain section of online or social media engaged Film Fans think.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 8, 2024 13:58:22 GMT
Not begrudging the picks, but this tweet is meaningless and isn’t really reflective of anything It's got a lot of engagement (likes/quote comments etc) in agreement with those picks, so it's reflective how a section of Film Twitter feels about the last 4 Best Actor races. It's not really any deeper than that. It's no more reflective of anything than a poll or thread on this board asking what is better or what should have won what. Except that single tweet has about a thousand times more engagement than any poll and most threads here. So does that mean everything we say or discuss here is meaningless or reflective of nothing? Maybe. There is far less of us. Everything is as meaningful or as meaningless as you personally choose it to be. I think it's a fun way to discuss how Film Twitter thinks, but still hold my own opinions that often disagree with Film Twitter consensus. You take out of it as much as you choose to. I think it's definitely reflective of something though. Which is how a certain section of online or social media engaged Film Fans think. I didn’t think people thought polls on this board were reflective of anything more than the opinions of this very small community
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Post by JangoB on Mar 8, 2024 15:47:58 GMT
Not begrudging the picks, but this tweet is meaningless and isn’t really reflective of anything Yeah, I don't know if it's "Film Twitter". It's more like "Film Twitter..er". Now, I'd be curious to see the results of a poll done by some account like Film Updates or Discussing Film. That'd fit the "Film Twitter" generelization closer. But anyway, yeah, this group of winners would've been a bit better. Farrell is by far the best of that weak lineup, Hopkins rightfully won his race and Banderas is only surpassed by DiCaprio for 2019 (although Phoenix is great too). Denzel is a complicated case for me: everything about that film (including the performances) is so much about stylization and formalism that I can't really see human beings there. Instead I see actors showing that they can deliver Shakespeare's text. But Denzel sure does deliver it well... I think I need to revisit that performance someday but until I do, Cumberbatch is the best of the nominees for me. And I actually prefer Cuckold Slapman over Denzel too.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 15:55:58 GMT
It's got a lot of engagement (likes/quote comments etc) in agreement with those picks, so it's reflective how a section of Film Twitter feels about the last 4 Best Actor races. It's not really any deeper than that. It's no more reflective of anything than a poll or thread on this board asking what is better or what should have won what. Except that single tweet has about a thousand times more engagement than any poll and most threads here. So does that mean everything we say or discuss here is meaningless or reflective of nothing? Maybe. There is far less of us. Everything is as meaningful or as meaningless as you personally choose it to be. I think it's a fun way to discuss how Film Twitter thinks, but still hold my own opinions that often disagree with Film Twitter consensus. You take out of it as much as you choose to. I think it's definitely reflective of something though. Which is how a certain section of online or social media engaged Film Fans think. I didn’t think people thought polls on this board were reflective of anything more than the opinions of this very small community I don't disagree....and I mentioned our threads as well as polls. Our opinions here are reflective of this very small community. That tweet and the engagement on it ( comments, likes, views, quotes etc) are reflective of the opinions of a much larger and more significant community of film fans than this one. That's all. Film Twitter isn't the whole world or even General Audiences, but it's a community too large in number for me to dismiss as insignificant. It's actually not compared to MAR. I don't think it's particularly worth arguing over though.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 8, 2024 16:07:21 GMT
Not begrudging the picks, but this tweet is meaningless and isn’t really reflective of anything Yeah, I don't know if it's "Film Twitter". It's more like "Film Twitter..er". Now, I'd be curious to see the results of a poll done by some account like Film Updates or Discussing Film. That'd fit the "Film Twitter" generelization closer. Like I said, it's the level of engagement that makes me comfortable classifying it as Film Twitter. Nearly 700K views is a larger number than most tweets from Film Updates. Some times an individual who is part of Film Twitter, and not an "official" account will have a hit tweet that the rest of Film Twitter latches onto. This is one of those.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 8, 2024 18:14:41 GMT
Not begrudging the picks, but this tweet is meaningless and isn’t really reflective of anything Yeah, I don't know if it's "Film Twitter". It's more like "Film Twitter..er". Now, I'd be curious to see the results of a poll done by some account like Film Updates or Discussing Film. That'd fit the "Film Twitter" generelization closer.
Why would an account like Film Updates be better? Not being sarcastic, I'm not on Twitter because - I mean come on - I'm not gonna talk film with Sally Housecoat and Eddie Lunchbucket ffs ...............but just asking why is that different? Wouldn't those be just equally stupid? Puzzled, helpless old man here......
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 8, 2024 18:59:28 GMT
I'm not on Twitter because - I mean come on - I'm not gonna talk film with Sally Housecoat and Eddie Lunchbucket ffs But aren't we all a bunch of Sally Housecoats and Eddie Lunchbuckets on this board...?
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 8, 2024 19:08:32 GMT
I'm not on Twitter because - I mean come on - I'm not gonna talk film with Sally Housecoat and Eddie Lunchbucket ffs But aren't we all a bunch of Sally Housecoats and Eddie Lunchbuckets on this board...? I prefer to think of us as Joe and Jane Popcorns myself with pacinoyes as Tenured Professor Von Subtitle - it's more warm and less condescending and masks my contempt for "the average moviegoer" (blech) - but I do get your general point ..........
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Post by countjohn on Mar 8, 2024 20:26:00 GMT
I'm not on Twitter because - I mean come on - I'm not gonna talk film with Sally Housecoat and Eddie Lunchbucket ffs But aren't we all a bunch of Sally Housecoats and Eddie Lunchbuckets on this board...? I'm more like a John Fountain Pen with what I do for a living, which sounds classier.
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