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Post by Nikan on Feb 28, 2024 17:36:39 GMT
One of the things that makes Foley so odd is Mamet sold the rights to all his best plays for dirt cheap that allowed productions of his best plays with iffy directors - and like I said I love Foley's 2 pre-GGR films but he also directed a lot of non-descript work around that ....... I only know he deserved better than being assossiated with a Fifty Shades down the line lol. And watching Mamet being interviewd by Ben Shapiro a few years ago felt weird...
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 28, 2024 17:47:02 GMT
I’ll bite. Based on “seemed unworthy at the time” I’ll go with Quentin Tarantino with Reservoir Dogs. Sure, it makes sense now but that cast is stacked - Keitel, Tierney, Penn, even “nobodies” like Buscemi, Roth, and Madsen already had reputations. Especially for someone who’s only other directing credit was My Best Friend’s Birthday. It's quite similar to Stallone in Rocky but he insisted on starring ........and don't forget QT wanted James Woods - badly - and his agent didn't give him the script to read
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 28, 2024 19:25:41 GMT
I mean, Foley has already been mentioned and he was a good director who pulled off Glengarry Glen Ross so this isn't about directors who crumbled under the weight of their casts, but just seemed unworthy at the time. And Hanson definitely fits that bill. Why would Hanson be considered unworthy of that cast, even at the time? Russell Crowe was still mostly an unknown from Australia with a few Hollywood movies yet to showcase his true potential. Same for Guy Pearce. Same for Simon Baker. Kim Basinger was a big star, but hardly regarded as a great actress. Danny Devito and James Cromwell were respected character actors, but hardly above Hanson's paygrade...the man had already directed Meryl Streep.Kevin Spacey was probably the only "big deal A-list serious thespian" to be cast in the movie at the time. Hanson was taking a huge risk casting a bunch of Australian actors who weren't really well known to American audiences, and set them on the path to Hollywood stardom. And he cast an actress who wasn't massively respected for her acting chops, and won her an Oscar. That cast looks amazing now, because of the performances Hanson got out of them and what they went on to achieve, but back then it was Russell who? Guy who? Mostly good points there, but with one caveat. Danny DeVito wasn't a character actor per-say, but a well-paying movie star / second buddy duo and producer. I believe Hanson even partially credited DeVito's involvement with helping the film to get off the ground, though I might be mistaking it with something else.
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 28, 2024 19:29:14 GMT
Anyone remember Movie 43?
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 28, 2024 19:31:57 GMT
Anyone remember Movie 43? I believe the story with that one was that there were a lot of "favors" being passed around.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 28, 2024 20:54:39 GMT
Stuart Rosenberg is kind of like this too..........sort of the Antoine Fuqua of his day - a plebby, middle brow (at best) but less pretentious than Fuqua ..........and therefore less groan inducing - Rosenberg teamed twice with Newman and one of the times made a quasi-star driven classic......... Cool Hand Luke - and directed George Kennedy to an Oscar and Newman to one of his most iconc parts.....his films below Murder, Inc. (1960) Question 7 (1961) Cool Hand Luke (1967)The April Fools (1969) Move (1970) WUSA (1970) Pocket Money (1972) The Laughing Policeman (1973) The Drowning Pool (1975) Voyage of the Damned (1976) Love and Bullets (1979) The Amityville Horror (1979) Brubaker (1980) The Pope of Greenwich Village (1984) Let's Get Harry (1986) My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys (1991)
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 28, 2024 21:21:56 GMT
I’ll bite. Based on “seemed unworthy at the time” I’ll go with Quentin Tarantino with Reservoir Dogs. Sure, it makes sense now but that cast is stacked - Keitel, Tierney, Penn, even “nobodies” like Buscemi, Roth, and Madsen already had reputations. Especially for someone who’s only other directing credit was My Best Friend’s Birthday. Everyone knew he was gonna turn out to be the man. Actors know movies.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 28, 2024 21:30:59 GMT
Tom Ford
Nocturnal Animals got only 1 nomination. We all expected at least 3 out of a cast featuring Linney, Adams, Shannon, and Gyllenhaal.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2024 21:51:01 GMT
I don't know why Antoine Fuqua is catching so much flack ( well, I do know why and it begins with D ), but he's a far better and more accomplished feature film director than at least 10 of Al Pacino's directors in the last decade and a bit. Pacino has worked with an insane amount of directors underqualified to direct him or some of the casts he's been part of. I actually think it's crazy to even bring up the likes of James Foley with the choice of scrubs he's worked with. Even Jon Avnet doesn't look that bad, next to some of these guys. Shintaro Shimosawa (Misconduct)Perfect guy for this thread actually. How the fuck did this guy get to direct Al Pacino & Anthony Hopkins?
Dan Fogeleman ( Danny Collins)
Pacino, Annette Benning, Jennifer Garner, Bobby Cannavale, Christopher Plummer. How did that happen? Bryan Buckley ( Pirates Of Somalia)Johnny Martin ( Hangman)Dito Montiel ( The Son Of No One) Michael Polish ( Axis Sally)Alec Griffen Roth ( Billy Knight) Eif Rivera ( Killing Castro)
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2024 21:56:27 GMT
Also, Stuart Rosenberg deserves more respect than he's been given on this thread. Cool Hand Luke is obviously iconic, but the man directed Brubaker ( one of the most memorable prison dramas ever imho, with key career roles for both Robert Redford and Morgan Freeman) and The Pope Of Greenwich Village.
That's 3 movies most directors would be proud to say they made.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 28, 2024 22:00:10 GMT
I don't know why Antoine Fuqua is catching so much flack ( well, I do know and it begins with D ), but he's a far better and more accomplished feature film director than at least 10 of Al Pacino's directors in the last decade and a bit. Pacino has worked with an insane amount of directors underqualified to direct him or some of the casts he's been part of. I actually think it's crazy to even bring up the likes of James Foley with the choice of scrubs he's worked. Even Jon Avnet doesn't look that bad, next to some of these guys. Shintaro Shimosawa (Misconduct)Perfect guy for this thread actually. How the fuck did this guy get to direct Al Pacino & Anthony Hopkins?
Dan Fogeleman ( Danny Collins)
Pacino, Annette Benning, Jennifer Garner, Bobby Cannavale, Christopher Plummer. How did that happen? Bryan Buckley ( Pirates Of Somalia)Johnny Martin ( Hangman)Dito Montiel ( The Son Of No One) Michael Polish ( Axis Sally)Alec Griffen Roth ( Billy Knight) Eif Rivera ( Killing Castro)Make that same exact cheap joke you made about pacinoyes TODAY but change the name this time Tommen about this fucking digusting, dumbass PoS ^ Tommen_Saperstein .........DO IT Tommen..........show me a little backbone -
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2024 22:03:58 GMT
I don't know why Antoine Fuqua is catching so much flack ( well, I do know and it begins with D ), but he's a far better and more accomplished feature film director than at least 10 of Al Pacino's directors in the last decade and a bit. Pacino has worked with an insane amount of directors underqualified to direct him or some of the casts he's been part of. I actually think it's crazy to even bring up the likes of James Foley with the choice of scrubs he's worked. Even Jon Avnet doesn't look that bad, next to some of these guys. Shintaro Shimosawa (Misconduct)Perfect guy for this thread actually. How the fuck did this guy get to direct Al Pacino & Anthony Hopkins?
Dan Fogeleman ( Danny Collins)
Pacino, Annette Benning, Jennifer Garner, Bobby Cannavale, Christopher Plummer. How did that happen? Bryan Buckley ( Pirates Of Somalia)Johnny Martin ( Hangman)Dito Montiel ( The Son Of No One) Michael Polish ( Axis Sally)Alec Griffen Roth ( Billy Knight) Eif Rivera ( Killing Castro)Make that same exact cheap joke you made about pacinoyes TODAY but change the name this time Tommen about this fucking digusting, dumbass PoS ^ Tommen_Saperstein .........DO IT Tommen..........show me a little backbone - You made this thread about Pacino ( Bernard Rose & Lear, Foley, Avnet etc ) from the get go and opening post you silly goose . So, fair game. And we both know why you are obsessed with bringing up Fuqua, without even naming any specific examples ( just claiming he's a "joke"). So, also fair game.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 28, 2024 22:05:49 GMT
"I don't know why Antoine Fuqua is catching so much flack" Seen Emancipation ....seen the bugets he gets? Dumbass
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 28, 2024 22:09:08 GMT
Make that same exact cheap joke you made about pacinoyes TODAY but change the name this time Tommen about this fucking digusting, dumbass PoS ^ Tommen_Saperstein .........DO IT Tommen..........show me a little backbone - You made this thread about Pacino ( Bernard Rose & Lear, Foley, Avnet etc ) from the get go you silly goose . So, fair game. And we both know why you are obsessed with bringing up Fuqua, without even naming any specific examples ( just claiming he's a "joke"). So, also fair game. Fuck your whore motherAlso fair game Lear has TWO Oscar winners, Avnet had two Oscar winners, Foley had multiple ones - get the thread moron? - go talk to stephen bitch, I ain't enabllng you ya pussy
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 28, 2024 22:25:42 GMT
Anyhoo...back to the topic - how about John Guillermin who directed the Heat of his day - the 2 biggest stars in The Towering Inferno - and was a pretty uninspired action director without big success much but big bugets...he i King Kong in the 70s also......I mean he's a lesser Fuqua or Rosenberg artistically anyway............although this film delivered exactly why he was hired anyway.......but what a acst to be given to HIM ........
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2024 22:44:08 GMT
Why would Hanson be considered unworthy of that cast, even at the time? Russell Crowe was still mostly an unknown from Australia with a few Hollywood movies yet to showcase his true potential. Same for Guy Pearce. Same for Simon Baker. Kim Basinger was a big star, but hardly regarded as a great actress. Danny Devito and James Cromwell were respected character actors, but hardly above Hanson's paygrade...the man had already directed Meryl Streep.Kevin Spacey was probably the only "big deal A-list serious thespian" to be cast in the movie at the time. Hanson was taking a huge risk casting a bunch of Australian actors who weren't really well known to American audiences, and set them on the path to Hollywood stardom. And he cast an actress who wasn't massively respected for her acting chops, and won her an Oscar. That cast looks amazing now, because of the performances Hanson got out of them and what they went on to achieve, but back then it was Russell who? Guy who? Mostly good points there, but with one caveat. Danny DeVito wasn't a character actor per-say, but a well-paying movie star / second buddy duo and producer. I believe Hanson even partially credited DeVito's involvement with helping the film to get off the ground, though I might be mistaking it with something else. You are right. It's oddly easy to forget that Danny Devito was a movie star ( though his part in LA Confidential was small enough to fit the character actor descriptor) . Primarily a comedic one though. He just always gave "character actor/second buddy" vibes. He never really got the "respect" he maybe should have as an actor ( probably because of the comedy bias. And a lot of his comic work was repetitive to be fair). Never got an Oscar nomination, though his performance as The Penguin in Batman Returns was terrifying and iconic.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 28, 2024 23:17:34 GMT
Anyhoo...back to the topic - how about John Guillermin who directed the Heat of his day - the 2 biggest stars in The Towering Inferno - and was a pretty uninspired action director without big success much but big bugets...he i King Kong in the 70s also......I mean he's a lesser Fuqua or Rosenberg artistically anyway............although this film delivered exactly why he was hired anyway.......but what a acst to be given to HIM ........ It probably helps that disaster movies were huge then, and always getting stars that were past their twilight years. A Fred Astaire or William Holden type for example seems perfect for a movie like The Towering Inferno.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 28, 2024 23:19:05 GMT
Mostly good points there, but with one caveat. Danny DeVito wasn't a character actor per-say, but a well-paying movie star / second buddy duo and producer. I believe Hanson even partially credited DeVito's involvement with helping the film to get off the ground, though I might be mistaking it with something else. You are right. It's oddly easy to forget that Danny Devito was a movie star ( though his part in LA Confidential was small enough to fit the character actor descriptor) . Primarily a comedic one though. He just always gave "character actor/second buddy" vibes. He never really got the "respect" he maybe should have as an actor ( probably because of the comedy bias. And a lot of his comic work was repetitive to be fair). Never got an Oscar nomination, though his performance as The Penguin in Batman Returns was terrifying and iconic. He was forever regarded as a second banana, but he was big enough that he shared above the title billing with Arnold twice.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 29, 2024 0:05:26 GMT
When The Big Short was announced, I was ready to put McKay in this category, as I found his broad comedies largely terrible (Anchorman worst of all), but he delivered.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 29, 2024 0:16:54 GMT
When The Big Short was announced, I was ready to put McKay in this category, as I found his broad comedies largely terrible (Anchorman worst of all), but he delivered. But even with that in mind, and with the awards success of both The Big Short and Vice in mind, dude still was unworthy of directing Leonardo DiCaprio, Jennifer Lawrence, Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchett and Mark Rylance in one movie. Even if it's a movie I ended up enjoying on a 7/10 level.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 29, 2024 0:19:32 GMT
When The Big Short was announced, I was ready to put McKay in this category, as I found his broad comedies largely terrible (Anchorman worst of all), but he delivered. But even with that in mind, and with the awards success of both The Big Short and Vice in mind, dude still was unworthy of directing Leonardo DiCaprio, Jennifer Lawrence, Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchett and Mark Rylance in one movie. Even if it's a movie I ended up enjoying on a 7/10 level. I liked the movie (though less than The Big Short), but I can agree with you. That's quite a cast for that movie.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 29, 2024 0:43:53 GMT
An odd one because he was a great director but not in this genre is Wes Craven directing Streep to an Oscar nod in Music of the Heart....it didn't seem like he was unworthy of Streep exactly.........just headscratching a bit.......sort of like Blanchett / Eli Roth maybe are now a little
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 29, 2024 0:58:42 GMT
Wes Craven was overqualified to direct middling Oscarbait like Music Of The Heart, that has no shelf life beyond awards season. He's a much better director than that film. He's a great director full stop. Streep was not too good for him, regardless of the genre. Only wish they worked together in a more interesting film.
Eli Roth and Wes Craven shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. They may have primarily worked in the same genre, but Craven directed some of the greatest movies in that genre of all time....and Roth didn't.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 29, 2024 1:08:22 GMT
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Post by Steve17 on Feb 29, 2024 1:50:08 GMT
John Wells comes to mind easily for August: Osage County. With this cast in place, Wells had only one movie on his resume when he got the job. I still think in the hands of a more experienced director, this would have been a much better movie.
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