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Post by ibbi on Feb 18, 2024 22:57:41 GMT
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Samantha Morton getting the Fellowship. Like, obviously she's wonderful, but what am I missing? This is as random as something really random. Did someone else pull out late and she was the only one around they could find as a replacement? Has she got dirt on someone at BAFTA? Is someone doing her a favour? Is she dying? There's got to be more to this story.
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 19, 2024 0:23:32 GMT
It's over. Randolph won Supporting Actress. It's been over for quite a while.
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 19, 2024 0:46:26 GMT
You can watch the speeches hereSo far, I really loved The Zone of Interest speech about how society likes to ignore the walls behind us.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 19, 2024 6:41:02 GMT
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Samantha Morton getting the Fellowship. Like, obviously she's wonderful, but what am I missing? This is as random as something really random. Did someone else pull out late and she was the only one around they could find as a replacement? Has she got dirt on someone at BAFTA? Is someone doing her a favour? Is she dying? There's got to be more to this story. Agreed. It really is the most random thing. And she's also very young for a BAFTA fellow. Their recent Film fellowship recipients were all far older than Morton. Helen Mirren is practically UK royalty and she only received her BAFTA fellowship 9 years ago. This makes so little sense. And I don't think someone pulling out at last minute makes much sense either. Blanchett was there as a presenter and she would make like 10 times more sense as a BAFTA fellowship honouree, for example.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 19, 2024 11:33:41 GMT
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Samantha Morton getting the Fellowship. Like, obviously she's wonderful, but what am I missing? This is as random as something really random. Did someone else pull out late and she was the only one around they could find as a replacement? Has she got dirt on someone at BAFTA? Is someone doing her a favour? Is she dying? There's got to be more to this story. I think giving the fellowship to Samantha Morton , especially at a relatively young age, is about acknowledging the class disparity in the British film industry. The majority of British actors who work consistently or make it big, come from privileged backgrounds. Morton came from a working class background and much of her childhood was spent in foster care. It's incredibly hard/rare for someone of Morton's background to get to where she did in the film industry in the UK (getting to Hollywood, multiple Oscar nominations etc). Giving it to her young is an acknowledgement of that. Look at most of the prominent British film actresses of the last few decades. Helen Mirren is descended from Russian nobility. Judi Dench is descended from Danish aristocracy. Vanessa Redgrave came from a theatrical acting dynasty. Helena Bonham Carter is British aristocracy and related to Prime Ministers. Emma Thompson came from an acting dynasty. Look at where some of the younger British actresses come from. For example, Vanessa Kirby' s father was President Of The Royal Society Of Medicine. Morton isn't the only British actress from a working class or underprivileged background who achieved a notable film career. But she talks about her background and those inherent disadvantages more than most of them. So she's a good representative of the class struggle. Which is why I believe she was partially given the fellowship for.
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Post by ibbi on Feb 19, 2024 12:37:09 GMT
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Samantha Morton getting the Fellowship. Like, obviously she's wonderful, but what am I missing? This is as random as something really random. Did someone else pull out late and she was the only one around they could find as a replacement? Has she got dirt on someone at BAFTA? Is someone doing her a favour? Is she dying? There's got to be more to this story. I think giving the fellowship to Samantha Morton , especially at a relatively young age, is about acknowledging the class disparity in the British film industry. The majority of British actors who work consistently or make it big, come from privileged backgrounds. Morton came from a working class background and much of her childhood was spent in foster care. It's incredibly hard/rare for someone of Morton's background to get to where she did in the film industry in the UK (getting to Hollywood, multiple Oscar nominations etc). Giving it to her young is an acknowledgement of that. Look at most of the prominent British film actresses of the last few decades. Helen Mirren is descended from Russian nobility. Judi Dench is descended from Danish aristocracy. Vanessa Redgrave came from a theatrical acting dynasty. Helena Bonham Carter is British aristocracy and related to Prime Ministers. Emma Thompson came from an acting dynasty. Look at where some of the younger British actresses come from. For example, Vanessa Kirby' s father was President Of The Royal Society Of Medicine. Morton isn't the only British actress from a working class or underprivileged background who achieved a notable film career. But she talks about her background and those inherent disadvantages more than most of them. So she's a good representative of the class struggle. Which is why I believe she was partially given the fellowship for. Yeah, that's almost certainly what it is. I still think there are many working class names they could have gone with who would have been more worthy, but probably none that I can think of with AS much of a struggle of a background. Good shout.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 19, 2024 12:54:52 GMT
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Samantha Morton getting the Fellowship. Like, obviously she's wonderful, but what am I missing? This is as random as something really random. Did someone else pull out late and she was the only one around they could find as a replacement? Has she got dirt on someone at BAFTA? Is someone doing her a favour? Is she dying? There's got to be more to this story. I think giving the fellowship to Samantha Morton , especially at a relatively young age, is about acknowledging the class disparity in the British film industry. The majority of British actors who work consistently or make it big, come from privileged backgrounds. Morton came from a working class background and much of her childhood was spent in foster care. It's incredibly hard/rare for someone of Morton's background to get to where she did in the film industry in the UK (getting to Hollywood, multiple Oscar nominations etc). Giving it to her young is an acknowledgement of that. Look at most of the prominent British film actresses of the last few decades. Helen Mirren is descended from Russian nobility. Judi Dench is descended from Danish aristocracy. Vanessa Redgrave came from a theatrical acting dynasty. Helena Bonham Carter is British aristocracy and related to Prime Ministers. Emma Thompson came from an acting dynasty. Look at where some of the younger British actresses come from. For example, Vanessa Kirby' s father was President Of The Royal Society Of Medicine. Morton isn't the only British actress from a working class or underprivileged background who achieved a notable film career. But she talks about her background and those inherent disadvantages more than most of them. So she's a good representative of the class struggle. Which is why I believe she was partially given the fellowship for. Helen Mirren is descended from Russian nobility, but her family were poor af when they went into exile in England. Her father worked as a cab driver. Her background is very much working class. If they wanted to award a working class actor/actress, there's Imelda Staunton. Actually most Mike Leigh frequent collaborators are working class (Manville, Spall etc. etc.) and they are all fucking iconic. It's just so weird that Morton was chosen. There's also Julie Andrews who's probably the staple working class star. She isn't a BAFTA fellow.
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Post by franklin on Feb 19, 2024 14:17:42 GMT
Loooool, Stone. What a joke.
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Post by stephen on Feb 19, 2024 14:24:44 GMT
Not sure how Stone here really changes anything? Gladstone’s path was always going to be winning SAG Hüller winning here would've shown massive vulnerability for Stone, and Gladstone would've benefited from that. Even if Lily wins SAG (the likelihood of which is winnowing more and more by the day, as Killers of the Flower Moon's momentum continues to wane and with less than a week left of voting just as Stone wins a huge precursor), she's now facing Stone who's got a Globe and BAFTA under her belt (and Critics' Choice, but who gives a fuck about them?) and who's been giving speeches during voting time. Stone's not really shown any weakness, whereas Gladstone straight-up missed a key precursor in a jury system that should at least have saved her. Poor Things has a chance of overperforming at the Oscars by taking Production Design and Costumes from presumptive favourite Barbie, and Stone's film is peaking right now at the crucial time. I don't see much of a chance of a rebound for Killers, and Gladstone's performance isn't the sort of thing SAG usually goes for anyway.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 19, 2024 14:52:11 GMT
Not sure how Stone here really changes anything? Gladstone’s path was always going to be winning SAG Hüller winning here would've shown massive vulnerability for Stone, and Gladstone would've benefited from that. Even if Lily wins SAG (the likelihood of which is winnowing more and more by the day, as Killers of the Flower Moon's momentum continues to wane and with less than a week left of voting just as Stone wins a huge precursor), she's now facing Stone who's got a Globe and BAFTA under her belt (and Critics' Choice, but who gives a fuck about them?) and who's been giving speeches during voting time. Stone's not really shown any weakness, whereas Gladstone straight-up missed a key precursor in a jury system that should at least have saved her. Poor Things has a chance of overperforming at the Oscars by taking Production Design and Costumes from presumptive favourite Barbie, and Stone's film is peaking right now at the crucial time. I don't see much of a chance of a rebound for Killers, and Gladstone's performance isn't the sort of thing SAG usually goes for anyway. I agree that Huller winning would have been a boost for Gladstone but I don’t think Stone winning changes anything. Stone certainly has the momentum but if Gladstone wins SAG it could swing back and still be a race. If Stone wins SAG it’s over.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 19, 2024 15:58:26 GMT
I think giving the fellowship to Samantha Morton , especially at a relatively young age, is about acknowledging the class disparity in the British film industry. The majority of British actors who work consistently or make it big, come from privileged backgrounds. Morton came from a working class background and much of her childhood was spent in foster care. It's incredibly hard/rare for someone of Morton's background to get to where she did in the film industry in the UK (getting to Hollywood, multiple Oscar nominations etc). Giving it to her young is an acknowledgement of that. Look at most of the prominent British film actresses of the last few decades. Helen Mirren is descended from Russian nobility. Judi Dench is descended from Danish aristocracy. Vanessa Redgrave came from a theatrical acting dynasty. Helena Bonham Carter is British aristocracy and related to Prime Ministers. Emma Thompson came from an acting dynasty. Look at where some of the younger British actresses come from. For example, Vanessa Kirby' s father was President Of The Royal Society Of Medicine. Morton isn't the only British actress from a working class or underprivileged background who achieved a notable film career. But she talks about her background and those inherent disadvantages more than most of them. So she's a good representative of the class struggle. Which is why I believe she was partially given the fellowship for. Helen Mirren is descended from Russian nobility, but her family were poor af when they went into exile in England. Her father worked as a cab driver. Her background is very much working class. If they wanted to award a working class actor/actress, there's Imelda Staunton. Actually most Mike Leigh frequent collaborators are working class (Manville, Spall etc. etc.) and they are all fucking iconic. It's just so weird that Morton was chosen. There's also Julie Andrews who's probably the staple working class star. She isn't a BAFTA fellow. Mirren may have grown up poor, but her heritage probably opened doors for her in British acting circles and she almost certainly played up the fact that she was from Russian noble stock. Most people don't identify Mirren as coming from a poor/working class background, and that is probably deliberate on her part. She played the role of the posh girl coming up in the industry in the 70's and that perception stuck. Same for Julie Andrews. No one thinks of her as working class, even if she might have grown up as such. But like I said, I am fully aware there have been other very successful British film actresses that came from working class backgrounds. But as ibbi said, few had it quite as bad as Morton ( abusive and alcoholic parents, in and out of foster homes etc) or worn it on their sleeves quite as much as she has. I get why she would be the choice in that instance. It's just more of a story with her.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 19, 2024 16:08:38 GMT
Helen Mirren is descended from Russian nobility, but her family were poor af when they went into exile in England. Her father worked as a cab driver. Her background is very much working class. If they wanted to award a working class actor/actress, there's Imelda Staunton. Actually most Mike Leigh frequent collaborators are working class (Manville, Spall etc. etc.) and they are all fucking iconic. It's just so weird that Morton was chosen. There's also Julie Andrews who's probably the staple working class star. She isn't a BAFTA fellow. Mirren may have grown up poor, but her heritage probably opened doors for her in British acting circles and she almost certainly played up the fact that she was from Russian noble stock. Most people don't identify Mirren as coming from a poor/working class background, and that is probably deliberate on her part. She played the role of the posh girl coming up in the industry in the 70's and that perception stuck. Same for Julie Andrews. No one thinks of her as working class, even if she might have grown up as such. But like I said, I am fully aware there have been other very successful British film actresses that came from working class backgrounds. But as ibbi said, few had it quite as bad as Morton ( abusive and alcoholic parents, in and out of foster homes etc) or worn it on their sleeves quite as much as she has. I get why she would be the choice in that instance. It's just more of a story with her. I think Eliza Doolittle is very much a working class role but yeah Andrews got out of that milieu pretty soon afterwards.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 19, 2024 18:25:59 GMT
I knew people were overestimating Giamatti. Stone and Murphy have this in the bag even without SAG, but they're probably getting SAG too. Nothing has stopped Murphy or Oppy's momentum this season.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 19, 2024 18:30:18 GMT
I knew people were overestimating Giamatti. Stone and Murphy have this in the bag even without SAG, but they're probably getting SAG too. Nothing has stopped Murphy or Oppy's momentum this season. No one was predicting Giamatti here so what’s changed? If he wins SAG it will be a pretty even race going into the Oscars.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 19, 2024 19:14:28 GMT
I knew people were overestimating Giamatti. Stone and Murphy have this in the bag even without SAG, but they're probably getting SAG too. Nothing has stopped Murphy or Oppy's momentum this season. No one was predicting Giamatti here so what’s changed? If he wins SAG it will be a pretty even race going into the Oscars. nothing changed. The people predicting Giamatti were wrong a month ago and are still wrong
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 19, 2024 19:21:16 GMT
I think Giamatti will win SAG and the Oscar. Sue me.
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