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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 19, 2023 15:31:22 GMT
Let’s pretend it’s 2008 rules. I would say right now I would go with
Oppenheimer Killers Poor Things The Holdovers Barbie
Past Lives and Maestro (feels like the kind of movie that would bump out Barbie maybe in 2008 and piss Twitter off) as alternates. Anatomy of a Fall as a bit of a long shot. The Color Purple as a wait and see wildcard.
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Post by stephen on Sept 19, 2023 15:33:55 GMT
Yeah, those would be my five as well.
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Post by DanQuixote on Sept 19, 2023 16:14:55 GMT
Same five as you.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 19, 2023 16:19:31 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 19, 2023 16:46:14 GMT
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Post by allaby on Sept 19, 2023 17:13:57 GMT
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 19, 2023 17:19:41 GMT
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Based on films that have already premiered and been reviewed. Be interesting to see how The Creator shakes out based on early word.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 19, 2023 17:31:43 GMT
Oppenheimer Killers of the Flower Moon Barbie Poor Things American Fiction Based on films that have already premiered and been reviewed. Be interesting to see how The Creator shakes out based on early word. Yeah, I probably should wait till The Creator is fully reviewed, but some of these early reviews putting it on the level of Alien, Blade Runner and James Cameron's Terminator films are scary good and it's tough to resist the early hype. If those reviews stay that way, Gareth Edwards has basically announced himself as being on par with Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve in that mileau. I feel like Barbie is vulnerable to a huge backlash. Made a ton of money and had great reviews, but already seeing people on social media asking if it was just an overrated toy commercial or even any good at all. For all the money it made, feels like quite a polarizing movie, so I do think it'd be vulnerable to missing if there were only 5 BP nominees.
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Post by stephen on Sept 19, 2023 17:35:20 GMT
The Creator's getting good word of mouth but it's still a genre picture, and those didn't do too well in the five-nominee ballot days. A lot of those early tweets were delving into the realm of hyperbole; I imagine the actual response will settle after a while. But Alien, Blade Runner and Terminator 2 didn't get any above-the-line nominations.
That said, I did put it in the "contenders by studio" thread. Could be a solid tech player, especially as Dune: Part Deux dipped to 2024.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Sept 19, 2023 17:37:25 GMT
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Post by speeders on Sept 19, 2023 17:42:04 GMT
Oppenheimer Killers of the Flower Moon Poor Things The Holdovers Past Lives Barbie at #6 for reasons pupdurcs stated. I feel like something could easily overthrow Past Lives at #5 (but it's not Barbie).
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 19, 2023 17:47:47 GMT
The Creator's getting good word of mouth but it's still a genre picture, and those didn't do too well in the five-nominee ballot days. A lot of those early tweets were delving into the realm of hyperbole; I imagine the actual response will settle after a while. But Alien, Blade Runner and Terminator 2 didn't get any above-the-line nominations. That said, I did put it in the "contenders by studio" thread. Could be a solid tech player, especially as Dune: Part Deux dipped to 2024. Sure a lot of sci-fi genre classics/masterpieces got overlooked by AMPAS in their time, but I just compared Gareth Edwards to Denis Villeneuve (particularly if these reactions hold up) , and he recently got a sci-fi fantasy film nominated in Dune (which was definitely a top 5 contender and potential BP winner) . And when you have the likes of Guillermo Del Toro winning Best Picture for genre pictures like The Shape Of Water, I don't think the anti-genre bias is as strong with this generation of Academy voters. If The Creator gets as strong a critical reception as Dune (which so far is looking likely) and makes solid money, I don't see why it couldn't make a push for BP, even in a field of 5. All these things still need to fall into place though, so yes, it'd be a very early, no guts, no glory call
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 19, 2023 17:52:39 GMT
The Creator's getting good word of mouth but it's still a genre picture, and those didn't do too well in the five-nominee ballot days. A lot of those early tweets were delving into the realm of hyperbole; I imagine the actual response will settle after a while. But Alien, Blade Runner and Terminator 2 didn't get any above-the-line nominations. That said, I did put it in the "contenders by studio" thread. Could be a solid tech player, especially as Dune: Part Deux dipped to 2024. If The Creator turns out to be critically acclaimed when most of the critics have had their say and it does better than expected box-office, do you think it can make the top 10 Best Picture slate along with being a contender for the tech categories? Especially since Dune 2 is 2024 now
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Post by stephen on Sept 19, 2023 17:55:54 GMT
The Creator's getting good word of mouth but it's still a genre picture, and those didn't do too well in the five-nominee ballot days. A lot of those early tweets were delving into the realm of hyperbole; I imagine the actual response will settle after a while. But Alien, Blade Runner and Terminator 2 didn't get any above-the-line nominations. That said, I did put it in the "contenders by studio" thread. Could be a solid tech player, especially as Dune: Part Deux dipped to 2024. Sure a lot of sci-fi genre classics/masterpieces got overlooked in their time, but I just compared Gareth Edwards to Denis Villeneuve (particularly if these reactions hold up) , and he recently got a sci-fi fantasy film nominated in Dune (which was definitely a top 5 contender and potential BP winner) . And when you have the likes of Guillermo Del Toro winning Best Picture for genre pictures like The Shape Of Water, I don't think the anti-genre bias is as strong with this generation of Academy voters. If The Creator gets as strong a critical reception as Dune (which so far is looking likely) and makes solid money, I don't see why it couldn't make a push for BP, even in a field of 5. All these things still need to fall into place though, so yes, it'd be a very early, no guts, no glory call Dune came out in the COVID-ravaged 2021 season, when there wasn't a whole lot of competition to be had, especially in the tech categories. And even if it does equal or even surpass Dune on a critical level, The Creator has challenges beyond that to contend with. The Shape of Water may be a genre film, but it's also at its heart a romance with an ode to classic cinema at its heart, which I don't imagine we'll see in Gareth Edwards's newest film. Also, Guillermo Del Toro was a known force with the Academy by then with Pan's Labyrinth and had been building a substantial resume, and he was well-known by then and well-networked. Edwards is not on that level yet. If you want to go the Villeneuve route in comparison, this feels less like Dune and more like Blade Runner 2049: critically acclaimed but probably not enough to crack the top listings, but win-competitive in a few techs below the line.
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Post by stephen on Sept 19, 2023 17:59:19 GMT
The Creator's getting good word of mouth but it's still a genre picture, and those didn't do too well in the five-nominee ballot days. A lot of those early tweets were delving into the realm of hyperbole; I imagine the actual response will settle after a while. But Alien, Blade Runner and Terminator 2 didn't get any above-the-line nominations. That said, I did put it in the "contenders by studio" thread. Could be a solid tech player, especially as Dune: Part Deux dipped to 2024. If The Creator turns out to be critically acclaimed when most of the critics have had their say and it does better than expected box-office, do you think it can make the top 10 Best Picture slate along with being a contender for the tech categories? Especially since Dune 2 is 2024 now It depends entirely on what 20th Century (as an aside, why haven't they updated?) wants to do with it. But I can't feature it getting any acting nominations because the field is looking insanely dense already, and for more palatable fare. Screenplay is possible, but Original is a tough nut to crack if Barbie stays there, and even if it doesn't I can see a couple of other players getting in over it. And what is the worst thing for its chances is that most contenders this year have exceeded expectations, not underwhelmed. We're coming out of Venice/TIFF with more players than we expected, many of them from established filmmakers and strong studios. I think its ceiling are the techs, quite frankly, but if the passion is there, maybe it can leapfrog into one of the lower-tier BPs like District 9 (which also got the screenplay nod). But I think the year's so top-heavy as it is that to expect this to crack the top five is asking a bit much.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 19, 2023 18:06:06 GMT
Blade Runner 2049 absolutely would have got nominated for Best Picture if it wasn't one of the biggest box office flops/money losers of it's year. The amount of think pieces about why such a strongly reviewed sci-fi blockbuster lost money doomed it's chances with the Academy for Best Picture. Too much stench of failure there. I don't think genre or not enough critical acclaim was the issue.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 19, 2023 22:13:55 GMT
Some of you still have too much faith in Past Lives.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 19, 2023 22:17:36 GMT
Some of y'all out here falling for early reaction hype again (The Creator).
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Sept 20, 2023 1:36:44 GMT
Some of you still have too much faith in Past Lives. I'd have to hear actual reason for it to fall by the wayside. It's happened often enough for a film to get drowned out in awards conversations and then overperform once the season starts.
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Post by finniussnrub on Sept 20, 2023 1:47:49 GMT
Blade Runner 2049 absolutely would have got nominated for Best Picture if it wasn't one of the biggest box office flops/money losers of it's year. The amount of think pieces about why such a strongly reviewed sci-fi blockbuster lost money doomed it's chances with the Academy for Best Picture. Too much stench of failure there. I don't think genre or not enough critical acclaim was the issue. Yeah but Villeneuve already got into academy pedigree with Arrival. Edwards hasn't been close to the "club". I mean Godzilla couldn't even eek out a VFX or sound nom (back when there were two). I think the Creator needs to be a fairly big hit, for the academy notice it beyond the techs. And do we see that happening? I'm not really sensing much buzz for it, even with these first reactions.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 20, 2023 2:26:01 GMT
Blade Runner 2049 absolutely would have got nominated for Best Picture if it wasn't one of the biggest box office flops/money losers of it's year. The amount of think pieces about why such a strongly reviewed sci-fi blockbuster lost money doomed it's chances with the Academy for Best Picture. Too much stench of failure there. I don't think genre or not enough critical acclaim was the issue. Yeah but Villeneuve already got into academy pedigree with Arrival. Edwards hasn't been close to the "club". I mean Godzilla couldn't even eek out a VFX or sound nom (back when there were two). I think the Creator needs to be a fairly big hit, for the academy notice it beyond the techs. And do we see that happening? I'm not really sensing much buzz for it, even with these first reactions. I'm not disagreeing that The Creator would need to overcome some major hurdles to get into the BP race, including doing decent box office. As for lack of buzz, this is definitely one of those films that needed it's cast to help promote it, as an original property. So the strikes aren't helping. If John David Washington, Gemma Chan, Ken Wantanabe, Benedict Wong, Allison Janney and Danny McBride had been able to do a full on press tour, I'm sure that do the buzz would have been much higher. Still, maybe the hype of these early reactions will encourage word of mouth.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 20, 2023 4:43:03 GMT
Some of you still have too much faith in Past Lives. I'd have to hear actual reason for it to fall by the wayside. It's happened often enough for a film to get drowned out in awards conversations and then overperform once the season starts. I think it will still get nominated, but I can't see a way in which it's Top 5 when I don't think it'll get a single acting nom, and won't be A24's #1 priority.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Sept 20, 2023 5:11:52 GMT
I'd have to hear actual reason for it to fall by the wayside. It's happened often enough for a film to get drowned out in awards conversations and then overperform once the season starts. I think it will still get nominated, but I can't see a way in which it's Top 5 when I don't think it'll get a single acting nom, and won't be A24's #1 priority. I think most of the concern regarding Past Lives has to do with its release date. I wouldn't count it out of any acting races and while The Zone of Interest got a ton of praise at Cannes (and I'm greatly looking forward to it), we will have to see if Jonathan Glazer made a film that is at all awards friendly.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 20, 2023 5:59:10 GMT
I think it will still get nominated, but I can't see a way in which it's Top 5 when I don't think it'll get a single acting nom, and won't be A24's #1 priority. I think most of the concern regarding Past Lives has to do with its release date. I wouldn't count it out of any acting races and while The Zone of Interest got a ton of praise at Cannes (and I'm greatly looking forward to it), we will have to see if Jonathan Glazer made a film that is at all awards friendly. Magaro is it's best bet at this point, considering how stacked Actress is, but I still think he's like 7th at best. Stuff like this is giving me a lot of faith in Zone:
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 29, 2023 16:49:44 GMT
Let’s pretend it’s 2008 rules. I would say right now I would go with Oppenheimer Killers Poor Things The Holdovers Barbie Past Lives and Maestro (feels like the kind of movie that would bump out Barbie maybe in 2008 and piss Twitter off) as alternates. Anatomy of a Fall as a bit of a long shot. The Color Purple as a wait and see wildcard. Anybody have a change of heart on their top 5? Mine is still the same. I would have Maestro as the next most likely alternative and Past Lives and Anatomy of a Fall as that possible stray high brow (Cries and Whispers, In the Bedroom) semi surprise that would happen sometimes. I still feel like strangely it would be Barbie that gets replaced out of the top 5. I can imagine the world where there is a bunch of Barbie fans complaining about it missing for “Oscar bait” (Maestro or even The Color Purple) or a movie “nobody has seen” (Past Lives, Anatomy maybe even American Fiction) The first scenario being very much like The Dark Knight and The Reader.
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