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Post by TylerDeneuve on Aug 20, 2023 21:52:21 GMT
My answer to this question would be Billy Crudup. He is classically trained and extremely versatile - I mean, who would think that the grungy 70s rock star ( Almost Famous) would translate so well as a Restoration Era drag actor ( Stage Beauty)? He's incredibly masculine, with a strong, clear voice (compare him in this department to star contemporaries like Leonardo DiCaprio and Joaquin Phoenix...). And of course, he's super handsome and has aged really well.  I'm guessing his messy personal life could have affected his career trajectory (leaving heavily-pregnant Mary-Louise Parker for Claire Danes... yikes  )... Men are usually able to rebound from affairs, though... Not really sure what happened with him.  Who's your choice here?  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 20, 2023 22:20:46 GMT
Billy Crudup is an excellent stage actor too..... * I'll cheat a bit - Peter Greene is memorably special in Pulp Fiction, The Usual Suspects, straight up great in Laws of Gravity and even better in Clean, Shaven........Then he got a drug habit.........He lived - he's 57......... but his career was derailed......  * There's a lot ........ Sheryl Lee ........Billy Crudup's ex is one too Mary Louise Parker |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Aug 21, 2023 1:49:16 GMT
Billy Crudup is an excellent stage actor too..... Have you seen Alison Maclean's Jesus' Son? It's the film that caused me to fall in love with Samantha Morton - both she and Crudup are simply sublime in it.   |
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 21, 2023 4:09:21 GMT
Billy Crudup is an excellent stage actor too..... Have you seen Alison Maclean's Jesus' Son? It's the film that caused me to fall in love with Samantha Morton - both she and Crudup are simply sublime in it. Love it and love the book also .....Alison Maclean is a real interesting filmmaker who falls through the crack when peope talk about female directors' - her 1992 move Crush is extremely underrated imo in particular ........with a distinct "horror"-ish vibe to it (with Marcia Gay Harden) |
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 27, 2023 20:35:57 GMT
What happened to Jason Patric in this way? Flat out great in After Dark, My Sweet.......greatish in Your Friends and Neighbors, Rush, he's in The Lost Boys and Sleepers.......anybody check his resume lately?  .....dude was good looking enough that Julia Roberts Runaway Bride's Kiefer Sutherland for him - then makes a movie about it and embarrasses Sutherland twicePatriarchy my ass  Did he have a scandal I'm forgetting or something?  |
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Post by futuretrunks on Oct 27, 2023 21:27:06 GMT
I agree about Crudup. His film career doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 28, 2023 21:08:05 GMT
What happened to Jason Patric in this way? Flat out great in After Dark, My Sweet.......greatish in Your Friends and Neighbors, Rush, he's in The Lost Boys and Sleepers.......anybody check his resume lately? .....dude was good looking enough that Julia Roberts Runaway Bride's Kiefer Sutherland for him - then makes a movie about it and embarrasses Sutherland twice He's always one of the first names I think of too..... and they were asking this question in 1993 before Speed 2 gave everyone an easy answer! But right after that bomb..... he does Your Friends & Neighbors then Narc then Broadway (Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, decently praised) - pretty much saying "remember me, new Brando! and I can do Serpico-roles too!" By the time he's 40 filming Expired (underrated perf) his career also seems to have expired. I think he was too talented, in a way? And not your typical funny or pandering leading man.... I can see him in a Michael Mann movie or Se7en or Sixth Sense or somethin. |
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Post by Nikan on Oct 28, 2023 21:22:38 GMT
I always confuse Crudup with Hugh Dancy... that homeland girl has a type like no other  |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Oct 30, 2023 8:09:09 GMT
Michael Biehn
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 30, 2023 12:16:25 GMT
Graham & Algar atmLet me see if I have this straight - this guy went toe to toe with Pacino ffs - a board fave........ and held his own..is a star of a couple Arctic Monkeys videos - another board favorite........and she was great in a horror (Censor) among other things - and this is a horror board?......and no one on this board has ever - afaik?) talked about The Virtues at all except, um, me in The Last Great Performance You Saw? ......well, I guess that is why they aren't stars huh? ********** Stephen Graham and to a lesser degree Niamh Algar in The Virtues (BBC TV Series) - 2019
Wrenching, delicate and fragile - deeply emotional 1-2 acting from Graham and the always astonishing Algar masking years of surpressed horror with booze and denial.......Graham's drinking is genuinely reckless in a thrilling, unstudied way - like booze being poured into a child......... and Algar is herself child-like with a scary "she may lose it" too quality - she is hair-trigger and live wire in an exceptionaly smart turn......they are really great together If this was made years ago - Gary Oldman, Tim Roth or maybe Katrin Cartlidge would have played it - and you can only have seen this alone and know Graham and Algar are the real deal.....  |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 30, 2023 13:04:44 GMT
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 30, 2023 13:50:05 GMT
From everything I read he had the offers to become a huge star but just turned down a ton of big roles. |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Oct 30, 2023 14:55:08 GMT
I wanted to pose a general question as it pertains to this topic - do you think an actor's name can affect his/her chances of success? I.e. If an actor's name is too difficult to pronounce or spell, do you think it can negatively impact their career?
I'm thinking specifically of Ioan Gruffudd and Romola Garai in this instance - all of the ingredients required for stardom are there, they're both quite talented - but their names might be too strange for mainstream Hollywood.
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Post by stephen on Oct 30, 2023 14:57:08 GMT
I wanted to pose a general question as it pertains to this topic - do you think an actor's name can affect his/her chances of success? I.e. If an actor's name is too difficult to pronounce or spell, do you think it can negatively impact their career? I think it's certainly an extra hurdle, but there are ways to spin it to your advantage (see Saoirse Ronan). |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 30, 2023 15:04:58 GMT
I wanted to pose a general question as it pertains to this topic - do you think an actor's name can affect his/her chances of success? I.e. If an actor's name is too difficult to pronounce or spell, do you think it can negatively impact their career? I'm thinking specifically of Ioan Gruffudd and Romola Garai in this instance - all of the ingredients required for stardom are there, they're both quite talented - but their names might be too strange for mainstream Hollywood. Absolutely. I recently commented something along these lines for Harris Dickinson |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Oct 30, 2023 15:06:01 GMT
I wanted to pose a general question as it pertains to this topic - do you think an actor's name can affect his/her chances of success? I.e. If an actor's name is too difficult to pronounce or spell, do you think it can negatively impact their career? I think it's certainly an extra hurdle, but there are ways to spin it to your advantage (see Saoirse Ronan). Good shout! She's also an example of a celebrity bringing an obscure name into the mainstream - "Saoirse" now ranks among the top 1,000 names given to baby girls born in the US, and has done ever since 2016. She's definitely unique, though - a generational talent, often compared to Meryl Streep (her versatility, her dexterity with accents, etc.) - like a one in a million-type scenario. |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Oct 30, 2023 15:15:12 GMT
Pittsnogle_Goggins - I remember reading a YouTube comment on a clip from Good Will Hunting many years ago saying that Minnie Driver would have been a bigger star if her first name had been something more "elegant" like Kate or Sarah - that always stuck with me for some reason. 
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 30, 2023 15:17:44 GMT
I think it's certainly an extra hurdle, but there are ways to spin it to your advantage (see Saoirse Ronan). Good shout! She's also an example of a celebrity bringing an obscure name into the mainstream - "Saoirse" now ranks among the top 1,000 names given to baby girls born in the US, and has done ever since 2016. She's definitely unique, though - a generational talent, often compared to Meryl Streep (her versatility, her dexterity with accents, etc.) - like a one in a million-type scenario. And it took a while for her to carve her place. Her initial push with projects like The Lovely Bones, Hanna, and The Host all massively underperformed. |
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Post by stephen on Oct 30, 2023 15:20:23 GMT
Good shout! She's also an example of a celebrity bringing an obscure name into the mainstream - "Saoirse" now ranks among the top 1,000 names given to baby girls born in the US, and has done ever since 2016. She's definitely unique, though - a generational talent, often compared to Meryl Streep (her versatility, her dexterity with accents, etc.) - like a one in a million-type scenario. And it took a while for her to carve her place. Her initial push with projects like The Lovely Bones, Hanna, and The Host all massively underperformed. I think it helps that we got to see her grow up in real time. |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Oct 30, 2023 15:24:13 GMT
stephen mikediastavrone96 - Brooklyn was her proper transition from child actress to leading lady, and it was a massive success.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 30, 2023 15:37:19 GMT
I’d argue that while Saoirse Ronan is a respected prestige actress, she’s not a commercial name known by general audiences. I know it goes to the debate of what is the criteria for “movie star” but if you showed a bunch of random people pictures of Margot Robbie, Emma Stone, and her…I’d venture to guess a large percentage either wouldn’t know her name at all, or possibly not even know who she is in general.
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Post by stabcaesar on Oct 30, 2023 15:45:05 GMT
I think it's certainly an extra hurdle, but there are ways to spin it to your advantage (see Saoirse Ronan). Good shout! She's also an example of a celebrity bringing an obscure name into the mainstream - "Saoirse" now ranks among the top 1,000 names given to baby girls born in the US, and has done ever since 2016. She's definitely unique, though - a generational talent, often compared to Meryl Streep (her versatility, her dexterity with accents, etc.) - like a one in a million-type scenario. She's more like Cate Blanchett than Meryl Streep tbh. |
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 31, 2023 3:49:54 GMT
 I went on a Bruce Campbell streak this month and then I was rambling in front of friends wondering why he didn't become a bigger star.... I know to many he's a genre icon.... deservedly, Evil Dead II an inspiring, sparks-flying-everywhere performance (pre-Jim Carrey, really). But shouldn't there be a lot more? After '87, he seemed instantly relegated back to being a fun day-player actor. Army of Darkness tanking in '92 is your answer, and then snuggling onto television in '93 sealed the deal? But I want more answers. He was supposed to be the Kurt to Raimi's Carpenter. But he only ever played one leading role for him: Ash. And why is he doing several uncredited parts for the Coens - as Viced pointed out, he would've totally fit into one of the main roles of Burn After Reading, Hail Caesar, The Ladykillers, etc. He never got to play a big Cary Grant-ish romcom role, either. He did lose out on some biggies........ he was considered for Jurassic Park for one (I think the Goldblum role but I can see him subbing Sam Neill). As someone put it: he was too goofy to be the handsome lead and too handsome to play the goofball sidekick. Listen I don't mind Sky High ("sidekick!") or spelunking for obscure little gems like Running Time.... but wasn't he supposed to be our next Vincent Price!!! .....As for the future.... I'll take a buddy comedy from the Farrelly bros with Matt Dillon and Campbell as brothers obsessed with sabotaging a local golf course, and oh hell another buddy comedy from the Coens with Buscemi and Campbell as traveling salesman who discover that the coffees of Topeka are turning the citizens into optimists. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 31, 2023 13:16:48 GMT
I wonder what the ratio is on up and coming stars that fizzle out being from too many duds or overexposure vs sabotaging their own career getting too big of an ego too soon?
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 31, 2023 13:18:38 GMT
Also, I’ll often read thru IMDB of an actor that was pretty big in the 80s/90s and doing crap now to see where their career derailed and a lot of times it’s not super obvious.
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)... Men are usually able to rebound from affairs, though... Not really sure what happened with him. 
.....dude was good looking enough that Julia Roberts Runaway Bride's Kiefer Sutherland for him - then makes a movie about it and embarrasses Sutherland twice
