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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 19, 2023 17:00:12 GMT
I was just thinking about these two. They seem to have fairly similar profiles: both had their major breakthrough in 2005 (first Oscar nomination in the same category), 11 nominations and 0 win between them, and both considered the premier talents of their age group. Which one do you prefer?
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 19, 2023 17:23:27 GMT
Michelle Williams is the best American actress in her 40s (that even goes for Chastain).........who's been nodded 5 times but missed out on at least 3 nods on top of that - Amy Adams is mostly a supporting actress who has been overnominated.....they have similarities in film numbers but are different types.......Williams has an Emmy for a GOAT level TV performance.......Williams has a Tony nod.....etc Williams could easily win the Triple Crown one day - Adams is more of a stretch I know people love Amy Adams - she's lovable - and many find Williams annoying - I get it ......but that has zip to do with their talent levels.... By the way Williams going lead was a way to separate herself from actresses specifically like Laura Dern and Amy Adams - she doesn't want to be seen like them I'm quite sure........and she didn't care that she would lose. She was great in The Fabelmans to me and this board is out to lunch on that performance in a way not seen since they overrate Downey in Chaplin - it's an all-time bad take imo 
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Post by countjohn on Mar 19, 2023 17:51:17 GMT
Like them both a lot but Adams just hits higher highs for me, Junebug, Doubt, The Master.
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Post by quetee on Mar 20, 2023 2:01:04 GMT
Prefer Amy
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 20, 2023 4:46:14 GMT
I prefer Adams too. She hits higher highs (Arrival, The Master, Junebug > Blue Valentine, Manchester by the Sea, Brokeback Mountain) and is generally a much better presence - both on-screen and off-screen.
I kind of wish Spielberg had cast her in The Fabelmans instead of Williams. I think she would've been better for the part and most likely wouldn't have insisted on campaigning in the lead category (and would've won supporting).
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Post by countjohn on Mar 20, 2023 5:01:41 GMT
I kind of wish Spielberg had cast her in The Fabelmans instead of Williams. I think she would've been better for the part and most likely wouldn't have insisted on campaigning in the lead category (and would've won supporting). Didn't think of that myself but you're right, that's the perfect part for her, as much as I liked Williams in the movie too. Amy is so good at making those goody two shoes type characters that would feel fake with someone else playing them feel warm and real. Been wanting her to reunite with Steve again too. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 20, 2023 5:04:34 GMT
This is good matchup. The two most overdue people in Hollywood. It's not Hathaway or Sandra Bullock, people who have won Oscars who I never care to watch anything just because they're in it, while longtime players like Williams and Adams remains Oscarless.
Michelle has always been doing great work. Her best performances are her unnominated ones like Land of Plenty and Wendy and Lucy. And she's sweetheart of 1999/2000 teen culture Jen Lindley, so she was around way before Adams.
Can't go wrong with these 2, really. Two of the finest. Williams has a place in my heart tho that Adams doesn't. But Adams' highs are higher I agree. Hard to beat Junebug and Enchanted. Her best 2 are her first 2.
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Post by forksforest on Mar 20, 2023 5:34:02 GMT
Not only does Adam’s have higher highs, I also find her much more consistent and generally like her filmography and think she can cover light and well as more serious roles. Williams, I’ve tried to like, but I think often fails to impress, so I find her inconsistent and uninteresting.
Also, Adam’s taking on William’s role in Fabelmans would’ve been great, I hated Williams in that role.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 20, 2023 6:06:49 GMT
Amy, who is my #1 of all time.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 20, 2023 13:18:05 GMT
Really don't understand how Adams "peaks" are higher than Williams btw on film (?) - Amy Adams peaks are higher than Fosse / Verdon? higher than Blue Valentine? They're really not ........  But - like I said - people do love Amy Adams .....Adams beat Chastain in a poll a couple years back.........and she'll beat Williams too and to me she's clearly behind them (and way older than Williams as far as actress ages go anyway)........sometimes these polls are good to see how people think about actors and what is said about them.......if Adams ever wins an Oscar the reaction may be euphoric tbh on message boards.......she's much loved it seems.....especially among us types ...... |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 20, 2023 14:20:57 GMT
Really don't understand how Adams "peaks" are higher than Williams btw on film (?) - Amy Adams peaks are higher than Fosse / Verdon? higher than Blue Valentine? I do think Junebug is one for the all time books... But that's really it. She's quite good in The Fighter, American Hustle, and Arrival, too, but I wouldn't place any of those above Williams' best, and she merely skims the surface of a truly fascinating character in The Master. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 20, 2023 14:24:55 GMT
I think both actresses are similar in that their peaks and valleys are Mount Everest and the Marianas Trench, with every little room in between. I have seen both Williams and Adams go from extremely strong works to career nadirs within a year of each other.
I have liked Adams in far more things, but Williams has yet to give a performance as excruciatingly bad as Adams did American Hustle, but Williams's Marilyn is pretty damn close.
I'll pick Amy between the two, but frankly both of them could do with half their nominations being docked.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 20, 2023 17:49:01 GMT
Really don't understand how Adams "peaks" are higher than Williams btw on film (?) - Amy Adams peaks are higher than Fosse / Verdon? higher than Blue Valentine? They're really not ........ But - like I said - people do love Amy Adams .....Adams beat Chastain in a poll a couple years back.........and she'll beat Williams too and to me she's clearly behind them (and way older than Williams as far as actress ages go anyway)........sometimes these polls are good to see how people think about actors and what is said about them.......if Adams ever wins an Oscar the reaction may be euphoric tbh on message boards.......she's much loved it seems.....especially among us types ...... Once again, a few people here are slighting one to elevate the other - and that's understandable on a thread like this, but I have another stance. Both are among the finest we have right now. And both OWN Chastain who's not even close to this Oscarless pair. I don't see what's off base about these results. Both are industry and longtime audience favorites. Both have had awards vehicles designed for them. But.... sounds similiar to your take on Swinton vs Blanchett. We can seriously argue on Swinton being better than Blanchett, but you're adamant on the vise versa scenario. Tho I haven't seen Tar. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 20, 2023 18:10:02 GMT
Really don't understand how Adams "peaks" are higher than Williams btw on film (?) - Amy Adams peaks are higher than Fosse / Verdon? higher than Blue Valentine? They're really not ........ But - like I said - people do love Amy Adams .....Adams beat Chastain in a poll a couple years back.........and she'll beat Williams too and to me she's clearly behind them (and way older than Williams as far as actress ages go anyway)........sometimes these polls are good to see how people think about actors and what is said about them.......if Adams ever wins an Oscar the reaction may be euphoric tbh on message boards.......she's much loved it seems.....especially among us types ...... Once again, a few people here are slighting one to elevate the other - and that's understandable on a thread like this, but I have another stance. Both are among the finest we have right now. And both OWN Chastain who's not even close to this Oscarless pair.I don't see what's off base about these results. Both are industry and longtime audience favorites. Both have had awards vehicles designed for them. But.... sounds similiar to your take on Swinton vs Blanchett. We can seriously argue on Swinton being better than Blanchett, but you're adamant on the vise versa scenario. Tho I haven't seen Tar. Well sure - you can argue any actor over any other actor - literally any actor over any other - I don't see anything "that" off base with the results myself either - some people love Adams - fine with me......it's all good....... I would say though that saying ^ both OWN Chastain who is not even close is slighting one to elevate the other two though - no? It just goes with this territory - it's a comparison after all....there's some collateral damage in opinions yadda yadda Btw got to see Tar there buddy and.....join the MAR Tar discussion - it's a helluva thread that "Tar Review Thread".........  |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 20, 2023 18:17:05 GMT
Once again, a few people here are slighting one to elevate the other - and that's understandable on a thread like this, but I have another stance. Both are among the finest we have right now. And both OWN Chastain who's not even close to this Oscarless pair. I don't see what's off base about these results. Both are industry and longtime audience favorites. Both have had awards vehicles designed for them. But.... sounds similiar to your take on Swinton vs Blanchett. We can seriously argue on Swinton being better than Blanchett, but you're adamant on the vise versa scenario. Tho I haven't seen Tar. Well sure - you can argue any actor over any other actor - literally any actor over any other - I don't see anything "that" off base with the results myself either - some people love Adams - fine with me......it's all good....... I would say though that saying ^ both OWN Chastain who is not even close is slighting one to elevate the other two though - no? It just goes with this territory - it's a comparison after all....there's some collateral damage in opinions yadda yadda Btw got to see Tar there buddy and.....join the MAR Tar discussion - it's a helluva thread that "Tar Review Thread"......... I'm not criticizing the principle of people doing that. I'm just saying in this particular instance..... I have a both are great stance. I'm just wondering where your takes are coming from. Why you're adamant on Williams > Adams and Blanchett > Swinton. I really like all 4 tho. Tar is in the 60s in one library queue and in the 150s in another queue, so it'll take its sweet time. |
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Post by ibbi on Mar 20, 2023 18:42:56 GMT
Put me in the club that was over Amy Adams about 15 years ago (it was that Frosty the Snowman bit that really finished me off) with only occasional moments of note since (The Master, Night at the Museum 2, I guess The Fighter) while Williams continues to be one of the more interesting performers to watch that there is. She is so fucking wonderfully weird.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 20, 2023 18:55:37 GMT
Well sure - you can argue any actor over any other actor - literally any actor over any other - I don't see anything "that" off base with the results myself either - some people love Adams - fine with me......it's all good....... I would say though that saying ^ both OWN Chastain who is not even close is slighting one to elevate the other two though - no? It just goes with this territory - it's a comparison after all....there's some collateral damage in opinions yadda yadda Btw got to see Tar there buddy and.....join the MAR Tar discussion - it's a helluva thread that "Tar Review Thread"......... I'm just wondering where your takes are coming from. Why you're adamant on Williams > Adams and Blanchett > Swinton. I really like all 4 tho. Well, I'm pretty adamant in all my points of view - ever read my Djokovic / Nadal thread?  That doesn't mean I'm saying Nadal "sucks" I'm saying he's 2 or 3 or something - ever........but he's not Djokovic and neither are his achievements the equal to his. Same here in an acting way.....usually there's a discernible gap - even if I "like" all 4 of them too....... But I'm pretty sure I called Swinton's performance in The Eternal Daughter - just a couple months ago - a tour de force ........and I mostly like Adams too and praised her in Sharp Objects fairly recently iirc ......so it's just "the comparison" which makes things appear more magnified I guess........ |
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Mar 20, 2023 22:06:33 GMT
Williams is the more ingenious performer of the two. Maybe a once in a generation type of talent. But I would say Adams is the easier one to cast right. She's more palpable, at least for the general public. Williams off and on screen is much more aloof. Also more intricate, unpredictable as an actress. I don't think she can really be a "star performer" in a sense, the way Bullock or Roberts or even to a certain degree Adams can be, as far as connecting with a general audience is concerned. But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, it just limits her options to shine.
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Post by Barbie on Mar 20, 2023 22:46:37 GMT
Michelle Williams. She's a scene stealer. She gave the best performance in Manchester by the Sea. That scene where she is talking to her ex with her new baby, god she was so good. She was fantastic in Blue Valentine as well.
Amy Adams never hit that high for me and I always found her overrated. She's someone who is technically good but didn't have the wow magic. It wasn't until I watched Hillbilly Elegy of all movies that I was impressed with her lol. I know everyone hates that movie (I thought it was fine even though the subject of the movie is a POS), but Amy was really good in it. Apart from Hillbilly Elegy, I thought her best performance was in The Office. I have yet to watch Sharp Objects (it's on my list)
So for now, it's easily Michelle Williams
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Post by Barbie on Mar 20, 2023 22:48:22 GMT
Put me in the club that was over Amy Adams about 15 years ago (it was that Frosty the Snowman bit that really finished me off) with only occasional moments of note since (The Master, Night at the Museum 2, I guess The Fighter) while Williams continues to be one of the more interesting performers to watch that there is. She is so fucking wonderfully weird. Can you refresh my memory? |
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Post by Barbie on Mar 20, 2023 23:00:36 GMT
Really don't understand how Adams "peaks" are higher than Williams btw on film (?) - Amy Adams peaks are higher than Fosse / Verdon? higher than Blue Valentine? They're really not ........ But - like I said - people do love Amy Adams .....Adams beat Chastain in a poll a couple years back.........and she'll beat Williams too and to me she's clearly behind them (and way older than Williams as far as actress ages go anyway)........sometimes these polls are good to see how people think about actors and what is said about them.......if Adams ever wins an Oscar the reaction may be euphoric tbh on message boards.......she's much loved it seems.....especially among us types ...... Once again, a few people here are slighting one to elevate the other - and that's understandable on a thread like this, but I have another stance. Both are among the finest we have right now. And both OWN Chastain who's not even close to this Oscarless pair. I don't see what's off base about these results. Both are industry and longtime audience favorites. Both have had awards vehicles designed for them. But.... sounds similiar to your take on Swinton vs Blanchett. We can seriously argue on Swinton being better than Blanchett, but you're adamant on the vise versa scenario. Tho I haven't seen Tar. Thank you, agree! Like Amy isn't my favorite but she is much better than Jessica Chastain who is so boring to watch. There's no spontaneity in her acting. Everything comes off as technical and so rehearsed. I so badly wanted to finally be impressed with her in Scenes from a Marriage but nope
Her yelling scene in Zero Dark Thirty is one of the funniest and most cringe scenes I've ever watched. Kudos to Kyle Chandler (excellent actor btw) for keeping a straight face when she bellowed in his face like an amateur. I can't imagine Amy Adams or Michelle Williams going that route
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Post by ibbi on Mar 20, 2023 23:14:04 GMT
Put me in the club that was over Amy Adams about 15 years ago (it was that Frosty the Snowman bit that really finished me off) with only occasional moments of note since (The Master, Night at the Museum 2, I guess The Fighter) while Williams continues to be one of the more interesting performers to watch that there is. She is so fucking wonderfully weird. Can you refresh my memory? I'm just generally talking about her performance in Doubt The point, for me, where the doe-eyed shtick reached the point of ridiculousness. Granted, she dropped it soon after, but not for anything any more interesting. I just think she's so boring. |
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Post by Barbie on Mar 20, 2023 23:28:25 GMT
Can you refresh my memory? I'm just generally talking about her performance in Doubt The point, for me, where the doe-eyed shtick reached the point of ridiculousness. Granted, she dropped it soon after, but not for anything any more interesting. I just think she's so boring. It's funny you mention Doubt because her "You don't like that he uses a ballpoint pen  " thing always stuck out badly in my memory lol |
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Post by ibbi on Mar 20, 2023 23:52:39 GMT
I'm just generally talking about her performance in Doubt The point, for me, where the doe-eyed shtick reached the point of ridiculousness. Granted, she dropped it soon after, but not for anything any more interesting. I just think she's so boring. It's funny you mention Doubt because her "You don't like that he uses a ballpoint pen " thing always stuck out badly in my memory lol That’s exactly what I was talking about ‘You don’t like that he uses a ballpoint pen, you don’t like that he likes frosty the snowman. WELL I LIKE FROSTY THE SNOWMAN!’ |
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 21, 2023 19:50:17 GMT
Both are good but not among my favorites. Williams, when she's not working with Kelly Reichardt, is often playing (effectively) a variation of the suffering girlfriend/wife (Brokeback Mountain, Blue Valentine, Manchester by the Sea, etc...). Adams, a slightly more appealing and charismatic presence on screen, tends to be hit and miss to me but over the years I had a reevaluation of some of her works (especially The Master).
The list of American actresses in their 40's taking the big spots isn't particularly impressive, I wish actresses with more intensity and fire in them (like Keri Russell) would get more opportunities.
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That doesn't mean I'm saying Nadal "sucks" I'm 
" thing always stuck out badly in my memory lol
