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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 26, 2022 8:29:36 GMT
Thoughts? Seems to be very controversial - "the most far right Prime Minister since Mussolini" says the UK / American press.......but they call every Republican in America "racist, and worse than Hitler!"...........which is silly.........or ........... true is it really?.......hmmmmmmm
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 26, 2022 10:46:42 GMT
Hot as hell!!! Like a mature Gloria Guida. Fan of Game of Thrones and Lord of the rings. The new Incel Queen.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 11:44:41 GMT
Meloni surely has a strong personality, but she isn't an extremist.
Lots of blue collar workers voted for her after decades of being disappointed by left wing parties.
I hope she'll work well for Italy, the situation (inner and international) isn't easy at all.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 26, 2022 13:29:31 GMT
Meloni surely has a strong personality, but she isn't an extremist. Lots of blue collar workers voted for her after decades of being disappointed by left wing parties. I hope she'll work well for Italy, the situation (inner and international) isn't easy at all. This is also a huge reason why 42% of frenchmen/women (remember the Yellow vests?) have voted for Marine Le Pen this year.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 26, 2022 15:05:30 GMT
Italy's maintained an on-again-off-again flirtation with fascism for centuries so this isn't surprising, and the political left-wing of the country seems to be a total shitshow.
some info about her party: Analysts are predicting weakened LGBTQ rights and weakened access to abortion (which is already quite bad) among other things.
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 26, 2022 15:14:58 GMT
well she appears to be a pretty open fascist so it should be quite predictable how one would feel
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 16:17:09 GMT
Italy's maintained an on-again-off-again flirtation with fascism for centuries so this isn't surprising, and the political left-wing of the country seems to be a total shitshow. some info about her party: Analysts are predicting weakened LGBTQ rights and weakened access to abortion (which is already quite bad) among other things. Your information are quite inaccurate. Meloni clearly stated she doesn't want to modify the law on abortion, on the contrary she wants a full application of it, and that means giving women who could keep their baby but they don't have the possibility to (for instance for financial issues) a wider support. The ones who want abortion will have free access to it in the first trimester, and in the second trimester if there are health issues (maternal or the baby's). This is the current law. I don't see how this law is "quite bad" in your book.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 16:18:23 GMT
well she appears to be a pretty open fascist so it should be quite predictable how one would feel Tell me which are the opinions of hers that appear openly fascist. Enlighten me.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 26, 2022 16:34:51 GMT
Historic victory! Congratulations to the first Italian female prime minister on shattering that glass ceiling. She faced misogynistic attacks and threats from the unelected bureaucrats in the EU to undermine the integrity of Italian elections if the “wrong party” won. Nevertheless she persisted She a cutie fr fr tho
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 26, 2022 17:00:09 GMT
well she appears to be a pretty open fascist so it should be quite predictable how one would feel Tell me which are the opinions of hers that appear openly fascist. Enlighten me. well she has defended the great replacement theory, is blatantly homophobic, defended mussolini and other noteworthy italian fascists in more recent times, and has only in recent years began to crack down on the pro-hitler people within her party. i truly do not know what bar you would have to be using to determine that this woman is not openly a fascist lol
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 17:14:28 GMT
Tell me which are the opinions of hers that appear openly fascist. Enlighten me. well she has defended the great replacement theory, is blatantly homophobic, defended mussolini and other noteworthy italian fascists in more recent times, and has only in recent years began to crack down on the pro-hitler people within her party. i truly do not know what bar you would have to be using to determine that this woman is not openly a fascist lol Blatantly homophobic? Where did you hear her attacking homosexuals? You should watch her very recent conversation, at one of her rallies, with an homosexual guy who adopted a girl with the Down syndrome. Defended mussolini and other noteworthy italian fascists in more recent times? Tell me who and when. Your sources?
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 26, 2022 17:23:38 GMT
Yea in all seriousness she literally just said in the past weeks something to the extent of “everything Mussolini did he did for Italy unlike the globalists currently in charge”. Maybe that was an old clip that I saw and not actually a recent comment but uhh yea defending that incompetent buffoon Mussolini to own the globalists isn’t exactly the best play. But yet again it doesn’t seem like Mussolini is treated like some boogeyman in parts of Italy so no wonder really that defending a fascist isn’t fatal blunder
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 17:27:02 GMT
Yea in all seriousness she literally just said in the past weeks something to the extent of “everything Mussolini did he did for Italy unlike the globalists currently in charge”. Maybe that was an old clip that I saw and not actually a recent comment but uhh yea defending that incompetent buffoon Mussolini to own the globalists isn’t exactly the best play. But yet again it doesn’t seem like Mussolini is treated like some boogeyman in parts of Italy so no wonder really that defending a fascist isn’t fatal blunder That video is from 1996 and she was 19. I bet most of you weren't even born.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 26, 2022 17:31:53 GMT
Yea in all seriousness she literally just said in the past weeks something to the extent of “everything Mussolini did he did for Italy unlike the globalists currently in charge”. Maybe that was an old clip that I saw and not actually a recent comment but uhh yea defending that incompetent buffoon Mussolini to own the globalists isn’t exactly the best play. But yet again it doesn’t seem like Mussolini is treated like some boogeyman in parts of Italy so no wonder really that defending a fascist isn’t fatal blunder That video is from 1996 and she was 19. I bet most of you weren't even born. I was not
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 26, 2022 17:37:39 GMT
Italy's maintained an on-again-off-again flirtation with fascism for centuries so this isn't surprising, and the political left-wing of the country seems to be a total shitshow.
some info about her party: Analysts are predicting weakened LGBTQ rights and weakened access to abortion (which is already quite bad) among other things. Yes , I kind of agree with this point of view.If some left wingers weren't such selfish and out of touch idiots this wouldn't have happened. They will blame everyone and everything but themselves of course.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 17:48:51 GMT
If some left wingers weren't such selfish and out of touch idiots this wouldn't have happened. They will blame everyone and everything but themselves of course. The communist party leader, Enrico Letta, came from France on purpose it seems 😂
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 26, 2022 19:39:32 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 26, 2022 19:56:15 GMT
Your information are quite inaccurate. Meloni clearly stated she doesn't want to modify the law on abortion, on the contrary she wants a full application of it, and that means giving women who could keep their baby but they don't have the possibility to (for instance for financial issues) a wider support. The ones who want abortion will have free access to it in the first trimester, and in the second trimester if there are health issues (maternal or the baby's). This is the current law. I don't see how this law is "quite bad" in your book. My information on Italian politics is admittedly very limited but isn't it true that under current laws gynecologists can consciously object to providing abortions and that as many as 70% across the whole country simply choose not to provide abortions? So even if abortion is legal in the country, the right to access it isn't protected, and I think the fear about Meloni's administration from the western sources I've seen is that at the very least this new government won't do anything to ensure women who need abortions will get them. The "quite bad" in my post refers to the fact that women reportedly have had to travel across the entire country to find a doctor willing to perform the procedure. my source for this, but I've also seen coverage in The Economist.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 20:43:53 GMT
Lol using Repubblica as a source is like asking KKK about the end of apartheid and expecting a fair comment.
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Post by dazed on Sept 26, 2022 20:52:14 GMT
don’t really know about politics in italy or who she is, but a few of the political commentators i trust to have good judgment are calling her a fascist and are talking about how horrible this is going to be
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 20:54:00 GMT
Your information are quite inaccurate. Meloni clearly stated she doesn't want to modify the law on abortion, on the contrary she wants a full application of it, and that means giving women who could keep their baby but they don't have the possibility to (for instance for financial issues) a wider support. The ones who want abortion will have free access to it in the first trimester, and in the second trimester if there are health issues (maternal or the baby's). This is the current law. I don't see how this law is "quite bad" in your book. My information on Italian politics is admittedly very limited but isn't it true that under current laws gynecologists can consciously object to providing abortions and that as many as 70% across the whole country simply choose not to provide abortions? So even if abortion is legal in the country, the right to access it isn't protected, and I think the fear about Meloni's administration from the western sources I've seen is that at the very least this new government won't do anything to ensure women who need abortions will get them. The "quite bad" in my post refers to the fact that women reportedly have had to travel across the entire country to find a doctor willing to perform the procedure. my source for this, but I've also seen coverage in The Economist. Well, consider that women have free access to the day after pill simply getting it at any pharmacy. Inviato And about "travelling across the entire country", even the article you linked speaks of 180 miles. Like 2 hours by train. Lots of workers have a 2 hours commute to get to their workplace every day. Back then I travelled 1 hour and 45 minutes every day to reach my university, and another 1 hour and 45 to get home. I can't see it as a big deal.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 26, 2022 21:07:21 GMT
don’t really know about politics in italy or who she is, but a few of the political commentators i trust to have good judgment are calling her a fascist and are talking about how horrible this is going to be
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