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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 21:50:03 GMT
I just finished episode 6 - told mostly from one of Dahmer's victims, Tony Hughes', point of view. It makes the reality of these crimes all the more horrific... It shows Dahmer cooking and eating his heart at the episode's end. Sidenote: Wasn't Penelope Ann Miller awful on this? Honestly Carrie, having seen interviews with Joyce Dahmer, this is actually how she behaves, so... it's hard for me to say Miller is horrible in the show. I still can't get over that shocking, grisly, and completely unnecessary John Wayne Gacy scene... as if the Ed Gein scene weren't enough. I get that they're all serial killers from the Midwest, but it just seemed so gratuitous to me.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 2, 2022 14:16:39 GMT
Sidenote: Wasn't Penelope Ann Miller awful on this? Honestly Carrie, having seen interviews with Joyce Dahmer, this is actually how she behaves, so... it's hard for me to say Miller is horrible in the show. I still can't get over that shocking, grisly, and completely unnecessary John Wayne Gacy scene... as if the Ed Gein scene weren't enough. I get that they're all serial killers from the Midwest, but it just seemed so gratuitous to me. Oh I don't know. I just couldn't with that scene where she was leaving Jeffrey. I hated that John Wayne Gacy scene. It was most definitely gratuitous. Tried to pull off a Mindhunter on us and not only did it not work but it was not needed. It was enough to know that he was executed the same day of Dahmer's baptism. Leave it there.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Oct 2, 2022 19:00:18 GMT
Oh honeys, I like Ryan Murphy's work but I'm not sure if Dahmer is just too sick even for me... Is it very graphic?
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Post by Pavan on Oct 4, 2022 14:56:37 GMT
Finished it. Super creepy and mostly compelling but didn't need to be ten episodes long. It prolonged a bit and was looking aimless delving into a variety of topics although i'm glad it talked about police incompetency. Still a decent mini series. Some of the stuff was disgusting. I had to look away for a split second as i was watching this series in midnight.
Evan Peters was excellent. So was Richard Jenkins.
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Post by Pavan on Oct 4, 2022 17:27:29 GMT
Interesting question poised by Dahmer in an episode. He wonders why there were so many others like him.
Why do you guys think there were so many like him? Was it WW2, Vietnam, Interstate as one of the characters mentioned as reasons or was it the rise of media and tv that gave them visibility?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 20, 2022 15:45:20 GMT
a couple episodes in and it's really solid and one of the better things with Murphy's name on it. Evan Peters is incredible and the makeup is so similar to the real Dahmer that it's spooky. First episode "Bad Meat" has been the highlight and the following eps have followed a more traditional chronological structure peppered with moments of disturbing violence and have been less engaging, but yeah, that opener was freaking incredible. Monumentally tense recreation of the evening's events that led to Dahmer's arrest for attempted murder and the parade of grisly discoveries removed from his apartment.
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Post by stephen on Oct 20, 2022 15:58:38 GMT
Interesting question poised by Dahmer in an episode. He wonders why there were so many others like him. Why do you guys think there were so many like him? Was it WW2, Vietnam, Interstate as one of the characters mentioned as reasons or was it the rise of media and tv that gave them visibility? Lead in the gas and paint likely had a huge amount to do with it as well.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 20, 2022 19:38:19 GMT
Interesting question poised by Dahmer in an episode. He wonders why there were so many others like him. Why do you guys think there were so many like him? Was it WW2, Vietnam, Interstate as one of the characters mentioned as reasons or was it the rise of media and tv that gave them visibility? I would think in the US it was the family collapse between 1960 and 1980 - the divorce rate more than doubles in just those 20 years, so men are growing up without fathers ..........women enter the workforce and the sexual revolution occurs - the emergence of the birth control pill which causes a change in marriage patterns - you no longer "had" to get married at all ....... broken homes in general........ drives a certain type of individual to um.....decline.. Before anybody gets on my case "oh that's such a Conservative POV - pacinoyes!, you Republican" I am not saying that any of those things were "bad things" in isolation - birth control was important and necessary, women in the work force was important and necessary, but they dovetailed with other things - including a bloody Vietnam War broadcast nightly into living rooms, the sensationalistic aspects in media portrayals......... and that ability to travel interstates which allowed you to evade communities which were already declining anyway, absolutely yes etc. Side note: That's one of the great things to me about the movie Pearl - which "suggests" that Death was in the air in 1918 - in the World, in the World at War, on the farm, in the air people were breathing (influenza) and that from all those things - then later things that came after WW I would have a domino effect and everything would get much worse: Another - more horrible - World War - more depraved behavior that was sensationalized and had a desensitizing effect, Ed Gein, Charles Manson, Vietnam, Son of Sam - etc.........it's a kind of brilliant "Pandora's Box" aspect of that movie but it isn't argued - Pearl just "sort of suggests" it......
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Post by quetee on Oct 21, 2022 0:15:07 GMT
Interesting question poised by Dahmer in an episode. He wonders why there were so many others like him. Why do you guys think there were so many like him? Was it WW2, Vietnam, Interstate as one of the characters mentioned as reasons or was it the rise of media and tv that gave them visibility? I would think in the US it was the family collapse between 1960 and 1980 - the divorce rate more than doubles in just those 20 years, so men are growing up without fathers ..........women enter the workforce and the sexual revolution occurs - the emergence of the birth control pill which causes a change in marriage patterns - you no longer "had" to get married at all ....... broken homes in general........ drives a certain type of individual to um.....decline.. Before anybody gets on my case "oh that's such a Conservative POV - pacinoyes!, you Republican" I am not saying that any of those things were "bad things" in isolation - birth control was important and necessary, women in the work force was important and necessary, but they dovetailed with other things - including a bloody Vietnam War broadcast nightly into living rooms, the sensationalistic aspects in media portrayals......... and that ability to travel interstates which allowed you to evade communities which were already declining anyway, absolutely yes etc. Side note: That's one of the great things to me about the movie Pearl - which "suggests" that Death was in the air in 1918 - in the World, in the World at War, on the farm, in the air people were breathing (influenza) and that from all those things - then later things that came after WW I would have a domino effect and everything would get much worse: Another - more horrible - World War - more depraved behavior that was sensationalized and had a desensitizing effect, Ed Gein, Charles Manson, Vietnam, Son of Sam - etc.........it's a kind of brilliant "Pandora's Box" aspect of that movie but it isn't argued - Pearl just "sort of suggests" it...... Most serial killers want to live out some sort of sexual fantasy. Can we really blame this on broken families?
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 21, 2022 0:51:56 GMT
I would think in the US it was the family collapse between 1960 and 1980 - the divorce rate more than doubles in just those 20 years, so men are growing up without fathers ..........women enter the workforce and the sexual revolution occurs - the emergence of the birth control pill which causes a change in marriage patterns - you no longer "had" to get married at all ....... broken homes in general........ drives a certain type of individual to um.....decline.. Before anybody gets on my case "oh that's such a Conservative POV - pacinoyes!, you Republican" I am not saying that any of those things were "bad things" in isolation - birth control was important and necessary, women in the work force was important and necessary, but they dovetailed with other things - including a bloody Vietnam War broadcast nightly into living rooms, the sensationalistic aspects in media portrayals......... and that ability to travel interstates which allowed you to evade communities which were already declining anyway, absolutely yes etc. Side note: That's one of the great things to me about the movie Pearl - which "suggests" that Death was in the air in 1918 - in the World, in the World at War, on the farm, in the air people were breathing (influenza) and that from all those things - then later things that came after WW I would have a domino effect and everything would get much worse: Another - more horrible - World War - more depraved behavior that was sensationalized and had a desensitizing effect, Ed Gein, Charles Manson, Vietnam, Son of Sam - etc.........it's a kind of brilliant "Pandora's Box" aspect of that movie but it isn't argued - Pearl just "sort of suggests" it...... Most serial killers want to live out some sort of sexual fantasy. Can we really blame this on broken families? That's too basic a reduction of what I said - it's certainly a confluence of several simultaneous, complex factors ^ - but in general - - yes. There are exceptions obviously like - Dennis Rader but .......it's certainly a contributing factor among several factors: They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and serial killers' psychological dysfunction often correlates strongly to a broken childhood home. According to psychologist Terence Leary, director of the Serial Killer Database Research Project, nearly all of them are raised in an abusive environment.www.aetv.com/real-crime/serial-killers-who-came-from-good-homes
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 21, 2022 4:09:04 GMT
Interesting question poised by Dahmer in an episode. He wonders why there were so many others like him. I heard it had something to do with rock music and violent video games.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 21, 2022 15:55:44 GMT
Losing so much speed in the last few episodes that it sputters over the finish line. Y'all were right, this is bloated and unfocused and those Ed Gein and John Wayne Gacy scenes were so tasteless and silly I felt like I was watching AHS again Highpoint was the opener. Monumentally-tense and self-contained intro that mostly takes place over a single evening. Other highlights were "The Good Boy Box", "Blood on Their Hands", "Silenced", and "Cassandra" (the last great episode of the series) but almost the entire final three eps are plodding beyond belief. Not sure where I stand on it as a whole because I was loving it in the first half and mostly over it in the second. Evan Peters, Niecy Nash, and Richard Jenkins were all outstanding and likely all gonna be in line for globes/Emmys. Series is ultimately a mixed bag but worth getting through for the best parts.
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 22, 2022 16:15:52 GMT
Watched the first couple episodes and this show is REPULSIVE
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Post by quetee on Oct 22, 2022 16:31:42 GMT
Most serial killers want to live out some sort of sexual fantasy. Can we really blame this on broken families? That's too basic a reduction of what I said - it's certainly a confluence of several simultaneous, complex factors ^ - but in general - - yes. There are exceptions obviously like - Dennis Rader but .......it's certainly a contributing factor among several factors: They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and serial killers' psychological dysfunction often correlates strongly to a broken childhood home. According to psychologist Terence Leary, director of the Serial Killer Database Research Project, nearly all of them are raised in an abusive environment.www.aetv.com/real-crime/serial-killers-who-came-from-good-homesI don't know I have watched a lot of serial killer docs and I just don't understand why they do it but it just seems as though they have this strong sexual desire that they wanted to live out but were ashamed of it and of course didn't have a willing participant. A majority of them seem to have this hatred for women.
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Post by quetee on Oct 22, 2022 16:32:23 GMT
Watched the first couple episodes and this show is REPULSIVE Well, we are talking about a man who wanted to create zombies so he wouldn't be alone.
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 22, 2022 19:05:12 GMT
Watched the first couple episodes and this show is REPULSIVE Well, we are talking about a man who wanted to create zombies so he wouldn't be alone. That whole sequence where he steals the mannequin from the store and brings it home then walks out of his room like he just had the best sex of his life had me howling
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Post by quetee on Oct 24, 2022 1:00:22 GMT
Well, we are talking about a man who wanted to create zombies so he wouldn't be alone. That whole sequence where he steals the mannequin from the store and brings it home then walks out of his room like he just had the best sex of his life had me howling He probably did. There is an interview about how happy he was when he had that mannequin. His grandmother saw it so he had to get rid of it.
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