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Post by Joaquim on Jan 13, 2024 21:12:56 GMT
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Post by countjohn on Jan 14, 2024 1:23:42 GMT
I'm not sure how "stealing" a movie works. DDL "stole" GONY from Leo because Leo sucked in GONY, that didn't happen in Departed because he was good in Departed.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 14, 2024 2:02:32 GMT
Is DDL good in that Camilla Belle movie? Half his mystique is people not watching 40% of his meager filmography.
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Post by stephen on Jan 14, 2024 2:03:46 GMT
Is DDL good in that Camilla Belle movie? Half his mystique is people not watching 40% of his meager filmography. He's better than DiCaprio was in most of his 2000s output.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 14, 2024 2:17:09 GMT
Is DDL good in that Camilla Belle movie? Half his mystique is people not watching 40% of his meager filmography. He's better than DiCaprio was in most of his 2000s output. Impossible. But anyway, how many DDL movies do you think Zac Efron has seen? Is he beaming in awe for a reason, or in the way children do meeting a head of state their parents indicate is a very important person? I think Streep has this problem too. I never even believe these people fanboying under the age of 35 have seen a Silkwood or Sophie's Choice. Just received opinions.
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Post by Archie on Jan 14, 2024 2:27:49 GMT
He's better than DiCaprio was in most of his 2000s output. Impossible. But anyway, how many DDL movies do you think Zac Efron has seen? This is my new favorite quote from MAR.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 14, 2024 2:58:45 GMT
He's better than DiCaprio was in most of his 2000s output. Impossible. But anyway, how many DDL movies do you think Zac Efron has seen? Is he beaming in awe for a reason, or in the way children do meeting a head of state their parents indicate is a very important person? I think Streep has this problem too. I never even believe these people fanboying under the age of 35 have seen a Silkwood or Sophie's Choice. Just received opinions. I am a little puzzled by your last 2 posts - if you want to know whether Day-Lewis is good in Ballad of Jack and Rose (he is, he was infrequently bad out of his ~20 roles imo) just see it? I mean how can you comment so much on acting threads so often and not see all of the work of the pre-eminent English speaking male actor of the last 50 years (post 70s US class)? I mean even if you don't like him - knowing the stature he's held at - wouldn't you want to confirm NOT liking him? Then turn around and accuse others of "not seeing Streep's films" - that doesn't make sense. Much less 2 of her very biggest one's too? I mean it's not like you're accusing them of not seeing Plenty or Dancing At Lughnasa yanno? Most actors - all actors I'd argue only have ~ 5-7 or so great(est) performances that they base their rep on......so Zac Efron wouldn't even need to see all of those ~ 20 to be in awe anyway tbh so I think he saw .................at least 5-7 ......ie he wouldn't have to see Ballad of Jack and Rose which isn't one of the most representative anyway......most people can't even retain that many performances by a specifc actor in their head anyway.......it's like saying if you haven't seen Night of the Following Day you can't be in awe of Brando having " only" seen Streetcar, Waterfront, The Young Lions, One Eyed Jacks, The Godfather, Last Tango and Apocalypse Now........
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 14, 2024 3:08:39 GMT
Impossible. But anyway, how many DDL movies do you think Zac Efron has seen? Is he beaming in awe for a reason, or in the way children do meeting a head of state their parents indicate is a very important person? I think Streep has this problem too. I never even believe these people fanboying under the age of 35 have seen a Silkwood or Sophie's Choice. Just received opinions. I am a little puzzled by your last 2 posts - if you want to know whether Day-Lewis is good in Ballad of Jack and Rose (he is, he was infrequently bad out of his ~20 roles imo) just see it? I mean how can you comment so much on acting threads so often and not see all of the work of the pre-eminent English speaking male actor of the last 50 years (post 70s US class)? I mean even if you don't like him - knowing the stature he's held at - wouldn't you want to confirm NOT liking him? Then turn around and accuse others of "not seeing Streep's films" - that doesn't make sense. Much less 2 of her very biggest one's too? I mean it's not lik you're accusing them of not seeing Plenty or Dancing At Lughnasa yanno? Most actors - all actors I'd argue only have ~ 5-7 or so great(est) performances that they base their rep on......so Zac Efron wouldn't even need to see all of those ~ 20 to be in awe anyway tbh so I think he saw .................at least 5-7 ......ie he wouldn't have to see Ballad of Jack and Rose which isn't one of the most representative anyway......most people can't even retain that many performances by a specifc actor in their head anyway.......it's like saying if you haven't seen Night of the Following Day you can't be in awe of Brando having " only" seen Streetcar, Waterfront, The Young Lions, One Eyed Jacks, The Godfather, Last Tango and Apocalypse Now........ Which DDL films do you think Efron has seen, though? That's not a flippant question. It's part and parcel of how insane DDL's reputation has become.
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Post by stephen on Jan 14, 2024 3:19:21 GMT
I am a little puzzled by your last 2 posts - if you want to know whether Day-Lewis is good in Ballad of Jack and Rose (he is, he was infrequently bad out of his ~20 roles imo) just see it? I mean how can you comment so much on acting threads so often and not see all of the work of the pre-eminent English speaking male actor of the last 50 years (post 70s US class)? I mean even if you don't like him - knowing the stature he's held at - wouldn't you want to confirm NOT liking him? Then turn around and accuse others of "not seeing Streep's films" - that doesn't make sense. Much less 2 of her very biggest one's too? I mean it's not lik you're accusing them of not seeing Plenty or Dancing At Lughnasa yanno? Most actors - all actors I'd argue only have ~ 5-7 or so great(est) performances that they base their rep on......so Zac Efron wouldn't even need to see all of those ~ 20 to be in awe anyway tbh so I think he saw .................at least 5-7 ......ie he wouldn't have to see Ballad of Jack and Rose which isn't one of the most representative anyway......most people can't even retain that many performances by a specifc actor in their head anyway.......it's like saying if you haven't seen Night of the Following Day you can't be in awe of Brando having " only" seen Streetcar, Waterfront, The Young Lions, One Eyed Jacks, The Godfather, Last Tango and Apocalypse Now........ Which DDL films do you think Efron has seen, though? That's not a flippant question. It's part and parcel of how insane DDL's reputation has become. I’m sure any ambitious young actor (which Efron obviously is) will have seen as many films and performances of their predecessors as possible, considering they’re in the industry and that's the yardstick they are measuring themselves against.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 14, 2024 3:41:44 GMT
I am a little puzzled by your last 2 posts - if you want to know whether Day-Lewis is good in Ballad of Jack and Rose (he is, he was infrequently bad out of his ~20 roles imo) just see it? I mean how can you comment so much on acting threads so often and not see all of the work of the pre-eminent English speaking male actor of the last 50 years (post 70s US class)? I mean even if you don't like him - knowing the stature he's held at - wouldn't you want to confirm NOT liking him? Then turn around and accuse others of "not seeing Streep's films" - that doesn't make sense. Much less 2 of her very biggest one's too? I mean it's not lik you're accusing them of not seeing Plenty or Dancing At Lughnasa yanno? Most actors - all actors I'd argue only have ~ 5-7 or so great(est) performances that they base their rep on......so Zac Efron wouldn't even need to see all of those ~ 20 to be in awe anyway tbh so I think he saw .................at least 5-7 ......ie he wouldn't have to see Ballad of Jack and Rose which isn't one of the most representative anyway......most people can't even retain that many performances by a specifc actor in their head anyway.......it's like saying if you haven't seen Night of the Following Day you can't be in awe of Brando having " only" seen Streetcar, Waterfront, The Young Lions, One Eyed Jacks, The Godfather, Last Tango and Apocalypse Now........ Which DDL films do you think Efron has seen, though? That's not a flippant question. It's part and parcel of how insane DDL's reputation has become. Gangs of New York, There Will Be Blood, and Lincoln are all pretty entry level film bro stuff and that's certainly more than enough for someone to look up to DDL's acting skills. IDK if he's seen Phantom Thread or any of his older stuff. But just because he makes crappy movies doesn't mean he hasn't seen good ones. Shitty pop stars will often have good taste in music when you hear them list their favorite albums or artists for example. Someone working in an art form is by default going to be more knowledgeable about it than most people in the general public even if they aren't doing it at a high level.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 14, 2024 4:40:11 GMT
I haven't seen Critters 3, Parenthood (TV), or Total Eclipse either, if not being a completist on every actor is supposed to damn me. I didn't have the enthusiasm to endure DDL's more recent deep cuts after going through his underwhelming 80s work including his ludicrous Oscar-winning performance in My Left Foot replete with staggeringly soulless would-be technical virtuosity.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 14, 2024 4:41:10 GMT
I wrote this 6 years ago about DDL's "retirement". I figured now would be about the time DDL started getting anxious to come back (meetings with Jim Sheridan & Spielberg , Bradley Cooper, and even this "maybe he's joking, maybe he isn't" tease by Marty" indicate things may be happening). He's still getting those offers from top filmmakers, and he'll probably accept one of them at some point. I'm not claiming to be Nostrdamus, but it always seemed the most likely scenario. We're at the 5 or 6 year mark as well. Even though I never felt the retirement to be legit, it'll be great to have him onscreen again when it does eventually happen.
Apr 23, 2018 0:43:27 GMT pupdurcs said:
I don't think anyone seriously buys DDL is retired. He's said this before and come back, and the man can be a bit precious at times. The reality is, he'll still be sent scripts and overtures by top filmmakers hoping to "lure" him out of retirement (particularly ones he close to already, like Spielberg and PTA. It's how Scorsese got him back from his first shoe cobbling retirement for Gangs Of New York). It'll just take one really great role or script for DDL to say he couldn't resist the drive to play this role, and Team DDL will go into overdrive for Oscar number 4, because "he's back!"
It may take 5 or 6 years or more, but he'll be back (and he's used to waiting it out years at a time to build anticipation for his next move, so "retirement" for him feels like his normal work schedule). Especially if he is no longer being talked of as much, and he feels people need a reminder of who he is and what he's done.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 14, 2024 6:30:36 GMT
I am a little puzzled by your last 2 posts - if you want to know whether Day-Lewis is good in Ballad of Jack and Rose (he is, he was infrequently bad out of his ~20 roles imo) just see it? I mean how can you comment so much on acting threads so often and not see all of the work of the pre-eminent English speaking male actor of the last 50 years (post 70s US class)? I mean even if you don't like him - knowing the stature he's held at - wouldn't you want to confirm NOT liking him? Then turn around and accuse others of "not seeing Streep's films" - that doesn't make sense. Much less 2 of her very biggest one's too? I mean it's not lik you're accusing them of not seeing Plenty or Dancing At Lughnasa yanno? Most actors - all actors I'd argue only have ~ 5-7 or so great(est) performances that they base their rep on......so Zac Efron wouldn't even need to see all of those ~ 20 to be in awe anyway tbh so I think he saw .................at least 5-7 ......ie he wouldn't have to see Ballad of Jack and Rose which isn't one of the most representative anyway......most people can't even retain that many performances by a specifc actor in their head anyway.......it's like saying if you haven't seen Night of the Following Day you can't be in awe of Brando having " only" seen Streetcar, Waterfront, The Young Lions, One Eyed Jacks, The Godfather, Last Tango and Apocalypse Now........ Which DDL films do you think Efron has seen, though? That's not a flippant question. It's part and parcel of how insane DDL's reputation has become. * I'd assume TWBB, GONY, In the Name of the Father, Lincoln, Phantom Thread, My Left Foot.........that's 6 .........I think for me he has 7 really great performances (Those 6 + The Boxer).........the way DDL managed his career keeps his amount of amazing performances down but that's still an amount that mimics what most "great" actors have. * I've said this on here a million times: Prior to Day-Lewis people assessed actors in one of 3 ways : Who did it first? Who did it the most (ie most great performances)? Who at their best was THE Best (ie "top 3 perfs? Top 5? Top 7?)?
* Day-Lewis added a 4th category - Who at their best was THE best - but without doing any "crap" - he has crap but not much and they aren't high profile failures aside from maybe Nine ...........so he gets a pass from people - people who reduce Art to Sports in a way - and he is hard to make fun of - when almost any other actor you can easily do that to because the amount of work itself generates failures.......because other actors do not manage their career ............as he did He'll never be "my" GOAT - with the limited amount of work he did - but I totally get why he is thought of as such by some and he is even in my top 10 all-time ffs ......... I do get your point........but a lot of people saw him - a lot of times winning Oscars (among other awards btw) - and being nodded almost every time out - or what looked like every time out........it carries a lot of weight ..........his rep is very simple, very direct (not based at all on TV or stage), justified and yet also exaggerated .......and it's also very modern / recent which is a whole part of his mystique too.........
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