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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 19, 2021 2:37:29 GMT
Wish Leo had used his box office superpowers on Nightmare Alley (and Licorice Pizza) instead of doing a streaming movie that is not looking like it will be that good anyway. As with Last Duel I think this is the case of another A-lister (Cooper) getting exposed. Don't know how you can claim he can "open a movie" after this. I mean to be fair, who can even open a movie with decent numbers outside of Lady Gaga, and maybe Leo? When even King Richard starring Will Smith who was once considered the biggest star in the world underperforms HBO Max or no HBO Max, you gotta wonder if any actors can really bring out the older audiences.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 19, 2021 7:18:21 GMT
Wish Leo had used his box office superpowers on Nightmare Alley (and Licorice Pizza) instead of doing a streaming movie that is not looking like it will be that good anyway. As with Last Duel I think this is the case of another A-lister (Cooper) getting exposed. Don't know how you can claim he can "open a movie" after this. I mean to be fair, who can even open a movie with decent numbers outside of Lady Gaga, and maybe Leo? When even King Richard starring Will Smith who was once considered the biggest star in the world underperforms HBO Max or no HBO Max, you gotta wonder if any actors can really bring out the older audiences. Yeah, even Crimson Peak opened to 13 mil back in the day despite the much less starry cast. While thinking about box office we still have to remember that we live in Covid times so it ain't quite fair to judge who's able or unable to open a movie these days. The biggest star of the current times has a brief and simple name - it's called IP.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 19, 2021 8:08:26 GMT
Fuck, stuff like this is so sad and discouraging to see:
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 19, 2021 16:11:38 GMT
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 19, 2021 16:16:10 GMT
Officially passed TFA's record. Massive!
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Post by quetee on Dec 19, 2021 16:18:16 GMT
Well, cant use that but it's the pandemic excuse anymore.
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Post by morton on Dec 19, 2021 16:26:27 GMT
I know some of the other films mentioned were smaller films, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, but seeing the consensus top ten films that most people have predicted in Best Picture makes me hope that they just go nuts and nominate No Way Home and House of Gucci and hell throw in No Time to Die as well alongside Dune, Belfast, The Power of the Dog and the rest of the expected top 5 to 7 expected films. I mean I know that the audience is going to keep shrinking, but NWH actually has better critic scores than some of the films that are expected to be nominated. I also know one day soon the Oscars and Emmys will just join together because of the shrinking audience of both and because streaming keeps blurring the lines on what is eligible for what award, but Iโd still like to see it comeback after last year. I donโt think that will happen if Dune is the only big film though.
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Post by quetee on Dec 19, 2021 16:30:50 GMT
I know some of the other films mentioned were smaller films, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, but seeing the consensus top ten films that most people have predicted in Best Picture makes me hope that they just go nuts and nominate No Way Home and House of Gucci and hell throw in No Time to Die as well alongside Dune, Belfast, The Power of the Dog and the rest of the expected top 5 to 7 expected films.ย I mean I know that the audience is going to keep shrinking, but NWH actually has better critic scores than some of the films that are expected to be nominated. I also know one day soon the Oscars and Emmys will just join together because of the shrinking audience of both and because streaming keeps blurring the lines on what is eligible for what award, but Iโd still like to see it comeback after last year. I donโt think that will happen if Dune is the only big film though.ย they need to do this especially as a snapshot. If people are willing to go to a movie during this madness, that movie should at least be rewarded. If the movie has good reviews there are no excuses other than being snobs.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 19, 2021 16:53:00 GMT
The domestic box office for House Of Gucci is still pretty lousy . The legs weren't really there. I thought it might be able to leg it to 80 million or so.
Yeah, it's the best performing adult drama of the season, but relative to it's budget and Marketing costs, it will still lose money as a cinema release.
If this is what we are celebrating as as a "win" for prestige dramas, the future of the big budget adult drama in Hollywood is looking pretty grim indeed. It's only a win relative to all the other flops, but it's still not that great by real standards, and it's not some massive hit.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 19, 2021 16:58:44 GMT
Well, cant use that but it's the pandemic excuse anymore. But we...totally can? Spidey is one of the tiny handful of films that actually managed to perform the way they would have without the pandemic. The BO situation shouldn't be judged by one enormous superhit - it's the overall field we ought to be looking at. Spider-Man is like an explosion to which the entire worldwide audience was preparing itself throughout the year. But one simply cannot look at the other movies and say that they would've made the same amount of money in the normal times. "Gucci" would've probably been close to a 100 domestic at this point, for instance.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 19, 2021 17:02:17 GMT
If this is what we are celebrating as as a "win" for prestige dramas, the future of the big budget adult drama in Hollywood is looking pretty grim indeed. It's only a win relative to all the other flops, but it's still not that great by real standards, and it's not some massive hit. God I hope not. If we have to forget about them showing theatrically and accept their move to streaming...so be it. As long as they're made, nothing else matters. Because if the big budget prestige film somehow dies, it'll be a freaking tragedy.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 19, 2021 17:14:18 GMT
If this is what we are celebrating as as a "win" for prestige dramas, the future of the big budget adult drama in Hollywood is looking pretty grim indeed. It's only a win relative to all the other flops, but it's still not that great by real standards, and it's not some massive hit. God I hope not. If we have to forget about them showing theatrically and accept their move to streaming...so be it. As long as they're made, nothing else matters. Because if the big budget prestige film somehow dies, it'll be a freaking tragedy. Right because there are plenty of adults who don't give af about Spiderman and I may be one of them That's the reason HoG is such a big deal - it is not the only adult hit of the season - it's the only adult hit of the past 2 years - and it shows how some things can be tweaked for the market place: A crossover star not a movie star .........not a remake..........not a sequel.........rated R........made for global consumption. As a movie, it's divisive...........as a property it's pretty much exemplary in how to adjust to a situation actually - they stuck to their dates, shot it insanely quickly, picked their release date, stuck to that date way in advance, marketed the movie kind of brilliiantly - when do we ever say that about a studios marketing team doing their f'n job? Lots of business lessons to learn there.........
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Post by quetee on Dec 19, 2021 17:17:28 GMT
Well, cant use that but it's the pandemic excuse anymore. But we...totally can? Spidey is one of the tiny handful of films that actually managed to perform the way they would have without the pandemic. The BO situation shouldn't be judged by one enormous superhit - it's the overall field we ought to be looking at. Spider-Man is like an explosion to which the entire worldwide audience was preparing itself throughout the year. But one simply cannot look at the other movies and say that they would've made the same amount of money in the normal times. "Gucci" would've probably been close to a 100 domestic at this point, for instance. People were willing to go to the movie and see HOG, that should mean something.
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Post by havok2 on Dec 19, 2021 17:42:41 GMT
Officially passed TFA's record. Massive! Looks like my prediction was right. This is also grossing at least 1.9 billion
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 19, 2021 17:52:51 GMT
Spider-Man: No Way Home for Best Picture baby!!
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Post by Miles Morales on Dec 19, 2021 19:38:12 GMT
Officially passed TFA's record. Massive! The power of the box office in the palm of Spidey's hand.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 19, 2021 23:27:27 GMT
There can be a 100 people in the room and 99 want to see Spider-Man but all it takes is one to support her former director's newest starring role
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Post by stephen on Dec 19, 2021 23:29:38 GMT
God, imagine if Nightmare Alley starts seeing a huge spike in its box office because of Gaga's tweet.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 19, 2021 23:53:57 GMT
I know some of the other films mentioned were smaller films, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, but seeing the consensus top ten films that most people have predicted in Best Picture makes me hope that they just go nuts and nominate No Way Home and House of Gucci and hell throw in No Time to Die as well NTTD and Spiderman getting BP nods would be officially the moment the Oscars become the GRAMMYS in which case I wouldn't even see the point anymore. The People's Choice Awards are already a thing. And I'm a huge Bond fan who would have loved seeing Skyfall get a BP nod (in no small part due to it actually being one of the ten best movies that year). It's less a genre thing and more that NTTD is a mediocre movie that has no business getting anywhere near a BP nod no matter how much money it made. Agree on House of Gucci, though. It's the only adult drama that has anything approaching a critical mass of people interested in it this year and they should recognize that by nominated it for everything (BP, Gaga, Screenplay, Leto). Really have no idea what problem critics had with it.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 20, 2021 0:06:57 GMT
I know comic book fans get defensive whenever this subject comes up, but the issue here is not that comic book movies exist or are successful but that they are now actively cramming almost every other kind of movie out of the industry. And I'm not going to blame James Gunn or whoever for that either, it's that a huge chunk of adult millenials have the same taste in media they did when they were 15 and have no interest in any stories about characters that don't wear capes for fly through space.
And yes, I'm aware streaming exists and you can still make a low budget indie about whatever you want, but if you look at film history most the best movies ever made fall into the "mid budget drama" category. Not to mention "big budget dramas" which are pretty much already dead. Things like Gone With the Wind, Doctor Zhivago, Apocalypse Now, or Lawrence of Arabia are not going to be made for the forseeable future, I guess with the one exception being if you could get Leo to star in it. So ultimately we've essentially traded big budget epics for three formulaic Marvel movies every year, which I'd say is a pretty shitty deal.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 20, 2021 0:57:54 GMT
Question to the US folks - is everyone allowed in your theatres at the moment? Or do they have to have proof of vaccination or something? Because while I certainly expected Spidey to be huge, I didn't quite foresee it challenging the all-time records Bump - I'm still curious (yellow).
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 20, 2021 1:03:40 GMT
Question to the US folks - is everyone allowed in your theatres at the moment? Or do they have to have proof of vaccination or something? Because while I certainly expected Spidey to be huge, I didn't quite foresee it challenging the all-time records Bump - I'm still curious (yellow). Canโt speak for the entire country, but my local theaters donโt require proof of vaccination, just a mask mandate. When I went to see Licorice Pizza in NYC, that theater did require proof of vaccination, so my assumption is that that is common in major metro areas.
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Post by dazed on Dec 20, 2021 3:14:21 GMT
Question to the US folks - is everyone allowed in your theatres at the moment? Or do they have to have proof of vaccination or something? Because while I certainly expected Spidey to be huge, I didn't quite foresee it challenging the all-time records Bump - I'm still curious (yellow). Since Canada is lumped into the domestic box office of movies, yes, we need to have proof of vaccination as well as a mask mandate to go to the theatre.
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Post by franklin on Dec 20, 2021 3:48:57 GMT
Disney really wants to bury all the Fox movies, (NA, West Side Story, The Last Duel, The French Dispatch) just because they are not an IP like Spiderman or Shang Chi.
This should be considered an apocalyptic scenario for every film lover out there
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Post by Lubezki on Dec 20, 2021 4:08:53 GMT
Damn, I wanted to make this thread, lol. Anyway incredible for New Way Home. Should be on its way to at least topping or at least making as much as The Force Awakens opening weekend. Iโm so sorry mate ๐๐๐
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