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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 18, 2021 15:54:04 GMT
Lets just say hes off to one of the worst starts in recent memory. Worse than Obamas first 8 months.
Even with Bush it definitely started to fall apart after 9/11. And launched our country into our most war mongering period in 30-35 years, but he at least did something about Afghanistan which is more than I can say about Biden in his Delaware basement doing god knows what. A president who isn't even there is a very interesting way to run the country.
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Post by Archie on Aug 18, 2021 15:59:59 GMT
Even with Bush it definitely started to fall apart after 9/11. And launched our country into our most war mongering period in 30-35 years, he at least did something about Afghanistan which is more than I can say about Biden in his Delaware basement doing god knows what. One of the most nonsensical things I've ever read. Congrats!
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 18, 2021 16:02:14 GMT
Even with Bush it definitely started to fall apart after 9/11. And launched our country into our most war mongering period in 30-35 years, he at least did something about Afghanistan which is more than I can say about Biden in his Delaware basement doing god knows what. One of the most nonsensical things I've ever read. Congrats! Biden is known for hiding in his basement. Its not news lol.
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 18, 2021 17:04:27 GMT
Lets just say hes off to one of the worst starts in recent memory. Worse than Obamas first 8 months. Even with Bush it definitely started to fall apart after 9/11. And launched our country into our most war mongering period in 30-35 years, but he at least did something about Afghanistan which is more than I can say about Biden in his Delaware basement doing god knows what. A president who isn't even there is a very interesting way to run the country. Here is the Italian minister of foreign affairs (the guy on the right) meanwhile : images.app.goo.gl/sjX9xGafPHLiPHoY9
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Post by hugobolso on Aug 18, 2021 20:42:50 GMT
Lets just say hes off to one of the worst starts in recent memory. Worse than Obamas first 8 months. Even with Bush it definitely started to fall apart after 9/11. And launched our country into our most war mongering period in 30-35 years, but he at least did something about Afghanistan which is more than I can say about Biden in his Delaware basement doing god knows what. A president who isn't even there is a very interesting way to run the country. Here is the Italian minister of foreign affairs (the guy on the right) meanwhile : images.app.goo.gl/sjX9xGafPHLiPHoY9At least the Italian Prime Minister, I hope, is working. Because the Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sanchez is also in his Summer Holidays.- Any way Spain or Italy Military Force is almost nonexistent. The whole thing are the people from Spain and Italy that there are in Afghanistan!! I pray for them.-
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 18, 2021 20:47:52 GMT
At least the Italian Prime Minister, I hope, is working. Because the Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sanchez is also in his Summer Holidays.- Any way Spain or Italy Military Force is almost nonexistent. The whole thing are the people from Spain and Italy that there are in Afghanistan!! I pray for them.- 54 Italian soldiers died in Afghanistan in these years. Afghanistan army disappeared in few days after we trained them for decades. Maybe next time it's better we train women as soldiers. They'll have stronger motivations to oppose to talibans.
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Post by hugobolso on Aug 18, 2021 21:55:35 GMT
That's sad,mia piccolina era e un'italiana bravissima, molto coraggiosa.- I miss you, my life change after I've read La rabbia e l'orgoglio. I learn from her what Christian Atheism was. I'm not atehist, but I think like a Christian Atheist.
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 18, 2021 22:11:30 GMT
That's sad,mia piccolina era e un'italiana bravissima, molto coraggiosa.- I miss you, my life change after I've read La rabbia e l'orgoglio. I learn from her what Christian Atheism was. I'm not atehist, but I think like a Christian Atheist. Oriana Fallaci was probably one of the best journalists in the world.
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 20, 2021 4:32:05 GMT
He's a dipshit like the rest of them, but worst? How? Why? Dubya's wars. Obama's pusillanimous response to the financial crisis. Trump being crazy, but alot of it just being social media crazy.
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 20, 2021 20:30:23 GMT
Any thougths? Maybe is too soon.- Donald Trump is not only the worst president in the last 40 years, but since Andrew Johnson left office. The recent CSPAN poll, among historians, had him tied for the third worst president of all-time.
Biden has only been in office since January 20th of 2021. It's way too early to cast a final call on him. So far, I give him a thumbs up. He signed the American Rescue Plan, made Juneteenth a National Holiday, and will soon sign the historic infrastructure reform bill. And yes, we should be getting out of Afghanistan. 20 years is way too long to babysit a country that doesn't make any effort to defend itself.
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 20, 2021 20:42:56 GMT
Biden isn't the worst ....at least not yet. He still has 3 and a half more years to keep fucking up. He is just not there at all. He has trouble putting 2 sentences together and probably has early dementia (and I'm not joking about it or find it remotely funny. I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone ) He is not fit to be President. As for who is/was the worst President, I still gotta go with George W Bush. What a POS. Please be careful there. Biden has a stutter/stammer.
And btw, we shouldn't be blaming Obama, Trump, or Biden for the mess in Afghanistan. Your picture above is the person responsible. The way I look at it is very simple: The public for a long time wanted to get out of Afghanistan. Trump and Biden deserve CREDIT for actually moving on this front.
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Post by jakesully on Aug 20, 2021 22:01:02 GMT
Biden isn't the worst ....at least not yet. He still has 3 and a half more years to keep fucking up. He is just not there at all. He has trouble putting 2 sentences together and probably has early dementia (and I'm not joking about it or find it remotely funny. I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone ) He is not fit to be President. As for who is/was the worst President, I still gotta go with George W Bush. What a POS. Please be careful there. Biden has a stutter/stammer. And btw, we shouldn't be blaming Obama, Trump, or Biden for the mess in Afghanistan. Your picture above is the person responsible. The way I look at it is very simple: The public for a long time wanted to get out of Afghanistan. Trump and Biden deserve CREDIT for actually moving on this front.
I am aware that Biden has had to deal with his stuttering problem in the past but he seems totally lost now. This goes way beyond a simple stuttering problem. He seemed perfectly well aware & well spoken during the 2012 campaign. Now? Uh not so much. He is showing clear signs of early dementia.
^^ That was from a recent town hall conference hosted by CNN's Don Lemon. And that is just a 40 second clip. Biden was really struggling thru the entire interview. Total train wreck and of course Don Lemon didn't ask any hard hitting questions at all, no push back in the slightest. Outstanding journalism. Also I agree with ya that GW Bush & his administration are to blame for the Afghanistan cluster fuck. I stated that in my post. I don't agree that the Biden administration is handling the Afghanistan situation well at all though. There are still thousands of Americans left stranded in that shit hole . Also we left behind tons of our military equipment, tanks, weapons, etc there which of course is now being used by the Taliban. smh
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 20, 2021 23:34:18 GMT
^^ That was from a recent town hall conference hosted by CNN's Don Lemon. And that is just a 40 second clip. Biden was really struggling thru the entire interview. I watched the clip twice. Not exactly sure what you're referring to. There are points where he is pausing and slurring words a bit. That is indeed stuttering. I should know. I am a stutterer myself, and went through 13 years of speech therapy. Honestly, it is rather insulting to say "he can't put sentences together." Perhaps you don't understand what stuttering is, its variety of forms, and how it can waiver throughout somebody's life.
Don't get me wrong. He's old and mixes up stories. However, there's no evidence of dementia. My grandmother died of dementia, and I do not see anything in Biden's speeches which resembles my grandmother's 13 years of dementia.
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Post by jakesully on Aug 21, 2021 1:51:31 GMT
^^ That was from a recent town hall conference hosted by CNN's Don Lemon. And that is just a 40 second clip. Biden was really struggling thru the entire interview. I watched the clip twice. Not exactly sure what you're referring to. There are points where he is pausing and slurring words a bit. That is indeed stuttering. I should know. I am a stutterer myself, and went through 13 years of speech therapy. Honestly, it is rather insulting to say "he can't put sentences together." Perhaps you don't understand what stuttering is, its variety of forms, and how it can waiver throughout somebody's life.
Don't get me wrong. He's old and mixes up stories. However, there's no evidence of dementia. My grandmother died of dementia, and I do not see anything in Biden's speeches which resembles my grandmother's 13 years of dementia.
Damn so sorry to hear that about your grandmother that is horrible and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Also I absolutely didn't have any intention on insulting anyone that has or had a stutter. Perhaps claiming Biden has early dementia was wrong and uncalled for and should of used a different term . Sorry about that. All I'm getting at is you don't have to be a doctor to see Biden's cognitive decline. His behavior is quite concerning imo. And just to be clear I am most definitely rooting for him to do a good to great job. I root for EVERY President to succeed at their job because then I know our country is headed on the right track.
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Post by hugobolso on Aug 21, 2021 2:28:52 GMT
Any thougths? Maybe is too soon.- Donald Trump is not only the worst president in the last 40 years, but since Andrew Johnson left office. The recent CSPAN poll, among historians, had him tied for the third worst president of all-time.
Biden has only been in office since January 20th of 2021. It's way too early to cast a final call on him. So far, I give him a thumbs up. He signed the American Rescue Plan, made Juneteenth a National Holiday, and will soon signed the historic infrastructure reform bill. And yes, we should be getting out of Afghanistan. 20 years is way too long to babysit a country that doesn't make any effort to defend itself.
I don't believe in all these historians, so that's why, partially, I create this poll. Is stupid to name Trump with Presidents like Nixon, Carter or Bush Jr for name 3 in the past 50 years.-
I don't think he was the best either. I think Reagan was by faaar the best since the seccond world war. But I have no evidenve to judge American presidents before The Great Depression.-
As a latin American I have no good feelings about Theodore Roosvelt, but as every President has shadows and lights I can't compare to the ones I was raised, Carter for a few weeks, Reagan, Bush Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump and Biden. Was a totally different age. Biden had the worst 8 months I remember.-
What the Democratic Party is doing with Larry Elder is awful.-
At least Bush Jr had some good advisors, I haven't seen that on Biden Gov.- I don't see them prepare for Afghanistan crisis, or any truly crisis-
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Post by jakesully on Aug 21, 2021 15:16:09 GMT
Donald Trump is not only the worst president in the last 40 years, but since Andrew Johnson left office. The recent CSPAN poll, among historians, had him tied for the third worst president of all-time.
Biden has only been in office since January 20th of 2021. It's way too early to cast a final call on him. So far, I give him a thumbs up. He signed the American Rescue Plan, made Juneteenth a National Holiday, and will soon signed the historic infrastructure reform bill. And yes, we should be getting out of Afghanistan. 20 years is way too long to babysit a country that doesn't make any effort to defend itself.
I don't believe in all these historians, so that's why, partially, I create this poll. Is stupid to name Trump with Presidents like Nixon, Carter or Bush Jr for name 3 in the past 50 years.-
I don't think he was the best either. I think Reagan was by faaar the best since the seccond world war. But I have no evidenve to judge American presidents before The Great Depression.-
As a latin American I have no good feelings about Theodore Roosvelt, but as every President has shadows and lights I can't compare to the ones I was raised, Carter for a few weeks, Reagan, Bush Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump and Biden. Was a totally different age. Biden had the worst 8 months I remember.-
What the Democratic Party is doing with Larry Elder is awful.-
At least Bush Jr had some good advisors, I haven't seen that on Biden Gov.- I don't see them prepare for Afghanistan crisis, or any truly crisis- Yeah I don't know how ANYONE (regardless of political leanings) can defend this shit at this point (unless you a complete blind supporter of the Democrat Party ) For example this literally just happened the other day. Biden and the Pentagon are on completely two different pages here. Total shit show. nypost.com/2021/08/20/biden-stumbles-with-afghan-questions-says-americans-can-reach-kabul/Lastly, I don't want to just pile on Joe Biden here. Who the fuck is advising him?? And why hasn't VP Harris spoken out about this crisis? Does she not realize that she is the Vice President of the fucking United States (ya know second in command) and Secretary of State Tony Blinken isn't blameless either. (from the same article) I did read a blurb that VP Harris will most likely address the country & media sometime on Monday. Better late than never I guess!
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 22, 2021 13:34:17 GMT
I don't believe in all these historians, so that's why, partially, I create this poll. Is stupid to name Trump with Presidents like Nixon, Carter or Bush Jr for name 3 in the past 50 years.-
I don't think he was the best either. I think Reagan was by faaar the best since the seccond world war. But I have no evidenve to judge American presidents before The Great Depression.-
As a latin American I have no good feelings about Theodore Roosvelt, but as every President has shadows and lights I can't compare to the ones I was raised, Carter for a few weeks, Reagan, Bush Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump and Biden. Was a totally different age. Biden had the worst 8 months I remember.-
What the Democratic Party is doing with Larry Elder is awful.-
At least Bush Jr had some good advisors, I haven't seen that on Biden Gov.- I don't see them prepare for Afghanistan crisis, or any truly crisis- Why don't you "believe" these historians? They literally surveyed famous historians from across the political spectrum, and asked them to rank the presidents based on about 10 different criteria. There are two intentions for the C-SPAN poll: Provoke conversation AND see how perceptions of presidents evolve over time.
I have studied every single U.S President. So yes, I can judge all of them.
Biden has only been in office for a short time. It is way too early to start to compare him to any President for the last 40 years. By reading your other posts, I can see that you favor the Republican Party over the Democratic Party. I don't support either.
As far as Afghanistan, I am not sure how he could have handled it better. Continuing to fight in Afghanistan is equivalent to throwing billions of dollars down the toilet. It is simply not worth it, to send more American soldiers to defend a country which is unwilling to defend itself.
If Trump got re-elected and we used Trump's timeline of May 2021, the Taliban would have still taken over the country. If Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Pete Buttigieg won the Democratic nomination and the presidency, the Taliban would have still taken over the country, if we followed Trump's withdrawal plans.
I do not blame Obama, Trump or Biden for the mess. The fault lies in purely with the Afghan Army and W. Biden was put in a position, where he had to make the best bad decision. People wanted us out of the conflict, and Biden did what the people wanted.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 22, 2021 14:06:34 GMT
I don't believe in all these historians, so that's why, partially, I create this poll. Is stupid to name Trump with Presidents like Nixon, Carter or Bush Jr for name 3 in the past 50 years.-
I don't think he was the best either. I think Reagan was by faaar the best since the seccond world war. But I have no evidenve to judge American presidents before The Great Depression.-
As a latin American I have no good feelings about Theodore Roosvelt, but as every President has shadows and lights I can't compare to the ones I was raised, Carter for a few weeks, Reagan, Bush Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump and Biden. Was a totally different age. Biden had the worst 8 months I remember.-
What the Democratic Party is doing with Larry Elder is awful.-
At least Bush Jr had some good advisors, I haven't seen that on Biden Gov.- I don't see them prepare for Afghanistan crisis, or any truly crisis
As far as Afghanistan, I am not sure how he could have handled it better. Continuing to fight in Afghanistan is equivalent to throwing billions of dollars down the toilet. It is simply not worth it, to send more American soldiers to defend a country which is unwilling to defend itself.
If Trump got re-elected and we used Trump's timeline of May 2021, the Taliban would have still taken over the country. If Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Pete Buttigieg won the Democratic nomination and the presidency, the Taliban would have still taken over the country, if we followed Trump's withdrawal plans.
I do not blame Obama, Trump or Biden for the mess. The fault lies in purely with the Afghan Army and W. Biden was put in a position, where he had to make the best bad decision. People wanted us out of the conflict, and Biden did what the people wanted.
^ No. He didn't have to follow Trump's plan and we don't know if Trump would have followed his own plan even if he was re-elected.......Biden could have kept a small number of troops there too - we have some presence / troops in 150 countries ........THIS specific mess is Joe Biden's entirely....... no one is saying the US shouldn't have gotten out - that's not the issue here, that's a separate issue - it's the specifics of how we got out here that is in question: ........how about having any sort of plan whatsover (?) - this article is shocking about how ineptly this was handled - he did not have to make "the best bad decision" when he made it at all ........... that is propaganda ........ It's unclear exactly how much equipment fell into Taliban hands during the collapse of the Afghan military, and the US is unlikely to get a perfect and precise answer to that question because there is no longer a US troop and intelligence presence throughout the country, two defense officials told CNN. "There's no exact accountability on what's left," one official said.
www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 22, 2021 14:26:32 GMT
No. He didn't have to follow Trump's plan and we don't know if Trump would have followed his own plan even if he was re-elected.......Biden could have kept a small number of troops there too - we have some presence / troops in 150 countries ........THIS specific mess is Joe Biden's entirely....... no one is saying the US shouldn't have gotten out - that's not the issue here, that's a separate issue - it's the specifics of how we got out here that is in question: ........how about having any sort of plan whatsover (?) - this article is shocking about how ineptly this was handled - he did not have to make "the best bad decision" when he made it at all ........... that is propaganda ........ It's unclear exactly how much equipment fell into Taliban hands during the collapse of the Afghan military, and the US is unlikely to get a perfect and precise answer to that question because there is no longer a US troop and intelligence presence throughout the country, two defense officials told CNN. "There's no exact accountability on what's left," one official said.
www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html
Biden didn't follow Trump's plan to a tee. Trump wanted them out in May. Biden wanted a slow draw out, and a complete withdrawal by the end of September.
My belief/theory is that it didn't matter which president we had: The Taliban would have still taken over the country. The end result would have been the same, because the main principle (Afghan Army unwilling to protect itself) remains the same.
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Post by chris3 on Aug 22, 2021 22:30:44 GMT
Ending an illegal war where we massacred hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, not "fake" ending one like Obama and Trump, already makes Biden the best president of my lifetime. The US has known that the Taliban would immediately take over after a pullout for over a decade at least. All this talk of not expecting it is just Biden lying. I'd fucking lie too. What should he have said? "We're leaving and giving the country to the Taliban. Suck my balls." I mean that would be awesome but yeah right. Yes, abandoning 80,000 allies is a huge fuck-up, but compared to the tenures of 21st century's greatest monster (Bush), Mr. Droney-Drone (Obama), and Emperor Fuck-face, it's frankly hilarious that people are acting like Biden should be impeached for this. The war is ending. Fuck. Yes.
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Post by hugobolso on Aug 23, 2021 17:19:31 GMT
I don't believe in all these historians, so that's why, partially, I create this poll. Is stupid to name Trump with Presidents like Nixon, Carter or Bush Jr for name 3 in the past 50 years.-
I don't think he was the best either. I think Reagan was by faaar the best since the seccond world war. But I have no evidenve to judge American presidents before The Great Depression.-
As a latin American I have no good feelings about Theodore Roosvelt, but as every President has shadows and lights I can't compare to the ones I was raised, Carter for a few weeks, Reagan, Bush Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump and Biden. Was a totally different age. Biden had the worst 8 months I remember.-
What the Democratic Party is doing with Larry Elder is awful.-
At least Bush Jr had some good advisors, I haven't seen that on Biden Gov.- I don't see them prepare for Afghanistan crisis, or any truly crisis- Why don't you "believe" these historians? They literally surveyed famous historians from across the political spectrum, and asked them to rank the presidents based on about 10 different criteria. There are two intentions for the C-SPAN poll: Provoke conversation AND see how perceptions of presidents evolve over time.
I have studied every single U.S President. So yes, I can judge all of them.
Biden has only been in office for a short time. It is way too early to start to compare him to any President for the last 40 years. By reading your other posts, I can see that you favor the Republican Party over the Democratic Party. I don't support either.
As far as Afghanistan, I am not sure how he could have handled it better. Continuing to fight in Afghanistan is equivalent to throwing billions of dollars down the toilet. It is simply not worth it, to send more American soldiers to defend a country which is unwilling to defend itself.
If Trump got re-elected and we used Trump's timeline of May 2021, the Taliban would have still taken over the country. If Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Pete Buttigieg won the Democratic nomination and the presidency, the Taliban would have still taken over the country, if we followed Trump's withdrawal plans.
I do not blame Obama, Trump or Biden for the mess. The fault lies in purely with the Afghan Army and W. Biden was put in a position, where he had to make the best bad decision. People wanted us out of the conflict, and Biden did what the people wanted.
This is even worse than I thought, so they ask question in 10 different criteria to make without any doubt Trump the worst president ever.- I just imagine about the 10 different criteria, to make Johnny Carter the Best President in at least a couple of criterias, so he could compensate another more controversial subjects.- A respected historian should refuse to make this poll, because they could not judge an actual or recently president.- They just stop in 20, 40 or 100 years ago.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 25, 2021 17:13:30 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 30, 2021 14:37:08 GMT
This is pretty shocking - this the owner of the Super Bowl Champs - Tampa Bay in Sunday's WSJ - I wonder if there'll be a boycott or any sort of punishment from the league - anybody remember this sort of thing before? Not that he can't have an opinion but it reflects on the league....
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Post by jakesully on Aug 30, 2021 14:39:01 GMT
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