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Post by doddgerhardt on Mar 18, 2017 16:46:06 GMT
Shame he hasn't been nominated for the series yet.
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Post by stephen on Mar 18, 2017 16:51:55 GMT
He definitely deserved it for Season 2, even over Banks (who, while still brilliant, didn't have the great material McKean and Seehorn had). But Odenkirk still remains MVP, and rightly so. I still think he was robbed for Season 1 ("... if working with me is what you really want. Right, Chuck?").
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Post by doddgerhardt on Mar 18, 2017 17:20:15 GMT
He definitely deserved it for Season 2, even over Banks (who, while still brilliant, didn't have the great material McKean and Seehorn had). But Odenkirk still remains MVP, and rightly so. I still think he was robbed for Season 1 ("... if working with me is what you really want. Right, Chuck?"). I thought you would just say "Oh crap I made a mistake" and go on with your life LIKE A NORMAL PERSON, BUT OH NO!!! WISHFUL THINKING!!! Love when Odenkirk gets flustered.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 19, 2017 17:27:36 GMT
Netflix should be adding S2 soon... hopefully.
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Post by quetee on Mar 30, 2017 3:45:49 GMT
Netflix should be adding S2 soon... hopefully. They just did so I'm gonna watch all episodes soon.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 31, 2017 5:15:22 GMT
Netflix should be adding S2 soon... hopefully. They just did so I'm gonna watch all episodes soon. Just finished. Amazing. Stepped it up from S1, in my opinion... and all the principle cast got even better. Plus, there are a few pleasant surprises (not exactly a spoiler since it's a prequel, afterall).
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Post by stephen on Mar 31, 2017 18:26:28 GMT
They just did so I'm gonna watch all episodes soon. Just finished. Amazing. Stepped it up from S1, in my opinion... and all the principle cast got even better. Plus, there are a few pleasant surprises (not exactly a spoiler since it's a prequel, afterall). DON'T.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 31, 2017 18:42:35 GMT
Just finished. Amazing. Stepped it up from S1, in my opinion... and all the principle cast got even better. Plus, there are a few pleasant surprises (not exactly a spoiler since it's a prequel, afterall). DON'T. That whole sequence was so good.
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Post by AKenjiB on Mar 31, 2017 22:25:53 GMT
Oh yeah, he's incredible. He definitely deserved the nomination over Banks in season 2. Maybe he could finally get nominated for season 3 but with Giancarlo Esposito joining, I kinda doubt it.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 2, 2017 23:54:12 GMT
Fucking Los Pollos Hermanos commercial fooled me. I was like "oh hey, they actually made a franchise! Cool, I don't have a Popeye's anywhere near, this should be good!"
And then Gus showed up.
April 10, y'all.
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Post by stephen on Apr 11, 2017 16:44:22 GMT
So Better Call Saul premiered last night, and true to form, it was a strong episode. Mostly it was a foundation-laying episode, the sort that will pay off big dividends further down the line. But this episode was nevertheless a directorial showcase, particularly in the Mike storyline. Less than five lines of dialogue in twenty-odd minutes of screentime, watching Mike meticulously analyze and plot his next move, and never once did his seeming mundane activities come off as boring. I could watch an entire hour of Mike silently MacGyvering the hell out of things.
The rest of the episode was very good, particularly the cold open (that brief Nebraska-esque glimmer into Jimmy/Saul's future as "Gene" the Cinnabon manager). Bob Odenkirk really is killing it; for me, he's been the best lead actor on TV since Hugh Dancy's Will Graham departed our screens. I have the distinct feeling that Season 3 is going to be stacked with powerhouse tapes for him come Emmy time.
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Post by DeepArcher on Apr 11, 2017 16:48:49 GMT
Yep, agreed with all of this. That cold open may be the best of the flash-forwards yet (especially as we finally have a "cliffhanger" that will need to be addressed once the story gets to that point). Mike's stuff was really solid, I thought the ending scene was perfect. Can't wait to see what Chuck plans on doing with the tape (though I have some ideas), and I have to assume that last scene with Ernie will have some sort of pay-off later on this season.
Edit: Just realized that Ernie "accidentally" hearing the tape is definitely part of Chuck's plan. Not sure what took me so long to make the connection...
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Apr 11, 2017 16:58:50 GMT
Haven't watched the premiere yet. Are you surprised by how great the reviews have been?
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Post by stephen on Apr 11, 2017 17:46:13 GMT
Haven't watched the premiere yet. Are you surprised by how great the reviews have been? Not at all. The first two seasons have, in my opinion, been better than even Breaking Bad was in its first two years, and would rate as some of the all-time best first two seasons a show has ever enjoyed.
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Post by Pavan on Apr 12, 2017 6:32:56 GMT
When is it coming to Netflix?
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Post by AKenjiB on Apr 13, 2017 0:52:14 GMT
'i totally agree. It was absolutely phenomenal. For a prequel, so much still feels unpredictable and it's looks like the show is setting up a lot of good storylines. Definitely one of the best shows on TV right now. I can't wait to see Giancarlo Esposito later on.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Apr 14, 2017 19:22:53 GMT
Haven't watched the premiere yet. Are you surprised by how great the reviews have been? Not at all. The first two seasons have, in my opinion, been better than even Breaking Bad was in its first two years, and would rate as some of the all-time best first two seasons a show has ever enjoyed. My issue is not with the show itself, but with the premise. We know where it ends up. We know what happens with most of these characters. While it's definitely well made, there's only so much they can do. They've done well with what they have, but the suspense, interest, and speculation will always be lacking - especially compared to other shows of the era. This is why it can never be better than Breaking Bad for me.
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Post by stephen on Apr 14, 2017 20:31:48 GMT
Not at all. The first two seasons have, in my opinion, been better than even Breaking Bad was in its first two years, and would rate as some of the all-time best first two seasons a show has ever enjoyed. My issue is not with the show itself, but with the premise. We know where it ends up. We know what happens with most of these characters. While it's definitely well made, there's only so much they can do. They've done well with what they have, but the suspense, interest, and speculation will always be lacking - especially compared to other shows of the era. This is why it can never be better than Breaking Bad for me. Eh, I don't really think that hinders the show at all. Firstly, we're getting sneak peeks of Jimmy's life post-Saul (the "Gene" cold-opens) that make me think the show is leading to something beyond Breaking Bad's sphere of influence. Secondly, it's not about the destination, but the journey. We know that Jimmy becomes the amoral shyster everyone thinks him to be, but seeing a guy who genuinely wants to be on the straight-and-narrow and being forced into a role because of outside perception and a lack of confidence in him is tragic to me. Hell, the Vito Corleone subplot in The Godfather: Part II is brilliant even though we know how it ends up for him.
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Post by DeepArcher on Apr 18, 2017 3:31:36 GMT
Great. Fucking. Episode. From start to finish. Those noir-esque, mostly-silent Mike scenes continued to be glorious and some of Vince's finest direction to date. I liked that they didn't make a big dramatic thing out of Gus' introduction/return, as the way he seamlessly entered the story fits perfectly with the "hiding in plain sight" nature of his character (I mean, he's literally first seen sweeping in the background). Meanwhile, we get the re-introduction of yet another beloved Breaking Bad character with Francesca's first day(s) on the job. And then there was the further unraveling of the Chuck situation with that fucking wild ending that is surely the set-up for the season to come.
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Post by doddgerhardt on Apr 18, 2017 4:15:18 GMT
My issue is not with the show itself, but with the premise. We know where it ends up. We know what happens with most of these characters. While it's definitely well made, there's only so much they can do. They've done well with what they have, but the suspense, interest, and speculation will always be lacking - especially compared to other shows of the era. This is why it can never be better than Breaking Bad for me. Eh, I don't really think that hinders the show at all. Firstly, we're getting sneak peeks of Jimmy's life post-Saul (the "Gene" cold-opens) that make me think the show is leading to something beyond Breaking Bad's sphere of influence. Secondly, it's not about the destination, but the journey. We know that Jimmy becomes the amoral shyster everyone thinks him to be, but seeing a guy who genuinely wants to be on the straight-and-narrow and being forced into a role because of outside perception and a lack of confidence in him is tragic to me. Hell, the Vito Corleone subplot in The Godfather: Part II is brilliant even though we know how it ends up for him. Though we would have to leave Mike, I'm hoping the fifth and possible last season takes place in the present with Jimmy.
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Post by stephen on Apr 18, 2017 23:43:28 GMT
What a fantastic episode last night. The reintroduction of Gus Fring, Victor, FRANCESCA (in her lively, perky, pre-Saul days, before proximity to Jimmy McGill turned her into a crabbed opportunist) were wonderful highlights, but really, this episode works so well because of Odenkirk, and the way that despite his own crooked pursuit of justice, him being trapped in legal entanglements for nothing but spite eats away at him and will shape him into the amoral attorney we know and love from Breaking Bad. Odenkirk's Emmy is long due, and if this season gives us more episodes like this, Odenkirk can pick just about any tape he wants.
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Post by wonky on Apr 24, 2017 10:39:38 GMT
My issue is not with the show itself, but with the premise. We know where it ends up. We know what happens with most of these characters. While it's definitely well made, there's only so much they can do. They've done well with what they have, but the suspense, interest, and speculation will always be lacking - especially compared to other shows of the era. This is why it can never be better than Breaking Bad for me. Eh, I don't really think that hinders the show at all. Firstly, we're getting sneak peeks of Jimmy's life post-Saul (the "Gene" cold-opens) that make me think the show is leading to something beyond Breaking Bad's sphere of influence. Secondly, it's not about the destination, but the journey. We know that Jimmy becomes the amoral shyster everyone thinks him to be, but seeing a guy who genuinely wants to be on the straight-and-narrow and being forced into a role because of outside perception and a lack of confidence in him is tragic to me. Hell, the Vito Corleone subplot in The Godfather: Part II is brilliant even though we know how it ends up for him. I agree, I actually think it's even better knowing where Jimmy's story leads. The real suspense is in where Chuck and Kim's paths are headed and where they'll stand with Jimmy in a few years' time....we know it can only lead somewhere heartbreaking which puts a dark cloud over the whole show. My guess is Chuck will eventually go so far in his pursuits that Jimmy will be left with no choice but to commit his big brother out of self-protection. At any rate I don't think Chuck will still be practicing by Walter White's 50th. Hopefully Kim ends up better off than Skyler. Also finding Hamlin more and more interesting. He's turning into a more complicated character than I ever expected at the beginning....you can tell that guy just wants both the McGills out of his life.
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Post by DeepArcher on May 2, 2017 20:39:16 GMT
Giancarlo is really gunning for that Emmy they robbed him of five years ago. I really loved how they managed to give us a fantastic Gus/Mike-focused episode while still satisfying my need for further development in the Jimmy v. Chuck story. This season has been consistently incredible so far, I can't wait to see what they'll do with a courtroom episode next week.
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Post by stephen on May 2, 2017 20:57:51 GMT
Wonderful episode last night, and a true testament to the well-rounded nature of the characters and divergent plots that we can spend half an hour entrenched with Mike/Gus's storyline and not even think about the main story surrounding Jimmy/Kim/Chuck, but once they show up, we're immediately invested again. Odenkirk once again is proving why he's giving the best leading performance on TV, and DeepArcher's right that Esposito is coming to collect his overdue Emmy.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 3, 2017 18:18:21 GMT
I've been hearing such great things, but since getting out of the hospital I haven't been able to catch a single episode. ARGH
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