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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 24, 2018 22:37:51 GMT
Errr...it looks like a cute little swan song of a movie, but I was expecting some sort of emotional powerhouse thesping when you said Redford ain't fucking around. He looks fine...he's doing exactly what I expect from him, which is giving charasmatic movie star vibes in his 80's. But if he can miss for All Is Lost, he can very easily miss for this variation of an actually played out trope (the old man robber movie. feel like Al Pacino, Alan Arkin and Chris Walken did this trope to underwhelming effect with Stand Up Guys. Michael Caine has already done a bunch of these things, and no one was trying to hand him any awards for them).
I think they are possibly trying to make a fun but slight old man robbery flick look a little but more profound than it actually is, because it's Redford's swan song (Oscar play!), and Casey Affleck is a recent Best actor winner.
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Post by stephen on Aug 24, 2018 22:50:30 GMT
Errr...it looks like a cute little swan song of a movie, but I was expecting some sort of emotional powerhouse thesping when you said Redford ain't fucking around. He looks fine...he's doing exactly what I expect from him, which is giving charasmatic movie star vibes in his 80's. But if he can miss for All Is Lost, he can very easily miss for this variation of an actually played out trope (the old man robber movie. feel like Al Pacino, Alan Arkin and Chris Walken did this trope to underwhelming effect with Stand Up Guys. Michael Caine has already done a bunch of these things, and no one was trying to hand him any awards for them). I think they are possibly trying to make a fun but slight old man robbery flick look a little but more profound than it actually is, because it's Redford's swan song (Oscar play!), and Casey Affleck is a recent Best actor winner. I've vocalized elsewhere that All Is Lost was always going to be a harder Oscar sell than people thought it was going to be, seeing as it's a one-man show and those don't tend to do well with the Academy. The Old Man and the Gun, by contrast, has Fox Searchlight, a strong studio coming off of a recent Oscar domination (they had Shape of Water and Three Billboards). Their only other major awards releases this year are The Favourite and Can You Ever Forgive Me?, neither of which have a viable Best Actor contender. Redford is their man this year, and I think that there's more of a narrative to build on now with him than there was in 2013, when he just got lost in the shuffle. This year's far more sparse by the looks of it, whereas in '13, there were a good dozen or so guys muscling in for those spots.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 24, 2018 23:00:43 GMT
Yeah, there is definitely a narrative for Redford to get nominated. But based on that trailer, I don't think having an undeniable performance will neccesarily be part of that narrative. I think if he wasn't retiring, this is the type of thing that could come and go with very little fanfare.
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Post by stephen on Aug 24, 2018 23:05:50 GMT
Yeah, there is definitely a narrative for Redford to get nominated. But based on that trailer, I don't think having an undeniable performance will neccesarily be part of that narrative. I think if he wasn't retiring, this is the type of thing that could come and go with very little fanfare. Well, there's a lot that I don't think they want to give away with the real-life story, which makes sense. I expect it to be very similar in tone to Nebraska and The Straight Story: a sweet, tender meditation on old age.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 25, 2018 10:09:10 GMT
The Oscars, corrupt cynics that they are, would love to give Redford something and it's historic crossroads time for the industry that is dovetailing with this film. Not sure there's enough "there" there but I think of it like this:
The cultural zeitgeist is going 2 ways concurrently - one is to celebrate Hollywood's past and one is adapt to the new Hollywood. This of course always happens but arguably never have the financial and cultural stakes been as they are now. This literally is like the 1970s where things are odd (different demographics, cultural change then and now too) and the behavior of those making and selling films struggles to catch up to the Art.
This is why The Irishman is so important even to a movie like this one. It's like literally one of the most important films ever made, already - a film where the central actors basically cast themselves (possibly a bad idea but that isn't the point), and they picked the director, a streaming service is going all in for big money financially and it's audience is either built in or not and there is or isn't enough to justify it using state of the Art technology.
People's careers will be on the line for it, it's old fashioned risk taking movie making that applies to a Hollywood model that some people are going to get completely and some are just going to be unaware of and be like "oh it's that gangster movie with old white dudes on Netflix - I'll stream it I guess". The wind is breaking one of two ways with that film but you can read it now on other films already, a year before it comes out.
The inclusion of the "Best Popular Movie" is completely at odds with what's happening with A Star Is Born and The Irishman and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood and The Old Man and The Gun........but this romanticization of Hollywood's past is out there and Redford may be the first beneficiary of it. We'll see.....
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