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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 21, 2020 11:01:22 GMT
I once did a poll - pre-Irishman where he lost 2 to 1 vs. Harvey Keitel. Would he still lose? Want to change your vote? How do we see him now and how do you think he'll be seen long-term too - he's a 3 time nominee now - as a character actor that equals Dafoe with 1 more win and Dafoe flirts with a character actor GOAT - people have tremendous affection for Pesci (so do I) but how great was he or could he have been (I say "was" because he ain't coming back  ). Is he a genuinely great actor or a sort of lucky guy who was used perfectly and who stumbled into some Scorsese films and cashed it (all 3 nods for Scorsese) Is he on Keitel's level now? Samuel L. Jackson's? Is he closer to Christoph Waltz? If we had a GOAT poll again would he make it - he would have been a flat out shocker to be on our list just 1-2 years ago......  |
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 21, 2020 12:42:55 GMT
I don't consider Waltz an actor of Pesci's caliber. But I still believe Keitel is much better. Joe was lucky to work for Scorsese and thus he gained recognotion and Oscar love.
He was almost typecast in roles such as the ones in Goodfellas or Casino but he's much better than that. Imo his performances in my Cousin Vinny and the Irishman are the highlights of his career.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 21, 2020 17:25:31 GMT
I don't consider Waltz an actor of Pesci's caliber. ButbI still believe Keitel is much better. Joe was lucky to work for Scorsese and thus he gained recognotion amd Oscar love. Another part of it is what roles didn't he get that he might have aced - even in the years when was away ...........he often gets called a "legend" which carries some baggage with it - what non-Scorsese parts might he have aced etc. I wonder if people would rank him ahead of some other non-Scorsese character actors like Paul Giamatti and guys at that level. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 21, 2020 17:45:57 GMT
I don't consider Waltz an actor of Pesci's caliber. But I still believe Keitel is much better. Joe was lucky to work for Scorsese and thus he gained recognition and Oscar love. Another part of it is what roles didn't he get that he might have aced - even in the years when was away ...........he often gets called a "legend" which carries some baggage with it - what non-Scorsese parts might he have aced etc. I wonder if people would rank him ahead of some other non-Scorsese character actors like Paul Giamatti and guys at that level. But he, unlike Giamatti for instance, played many leading roles while he was a very well known movie star. The problem is, he did so by playing in movies such as Home Alone and Jimmy Hollywood... Giamatti was never a major star. Pesci was. He earned it mainly by playing Tom De Vito-like characters. But the choices he made next, didn't allow his career to launch. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 21, 2020 18:53:59 GMT
Another part of it is what roles didn't he get that he might have aced - even in the years when was away ...........he often gets called a "legend" which carries some baggage with it - what non-Scorsese parts might he have aced etc. I wonder if people would rank him ahead of some other non-Scorsese character actors like Paul Giamatti and guys at that level. But he, unlike Giamatti for instance, played many leading roles while he was a very well known movie star. The problem is, he did so by playing in movies such as Home Alone and Jimmy Hollywood... Giamatti was never a major star. Pesci was. He earned it mainly by playing Tom De Vito-like characters. But the choices he made next, didn't allow his career to launch. Pesci also got stuck in really stupid comedies like 8 Heads in a Duffel Bag, and Gone Fishin once he started getting lead roles. It wouldn't surprise me if those kinds of parts were basically the catalyst for why he originally wanted to retire from acting in the first place. |
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Post by stephen on Jan 21, 2020 19:24:04 GMT
But he, unlike Giamatti for instance, played many leading roles while he was a very well known movie star. The problem is, he did so by playing in movies such as Home Alone and Jimmy Hollywood... Giamatti was never a major star. Pesci was. He earned it mainly by playing Tom De Vito-like characters. But the choices he made next, didn't allow his career to launch. Pesci also got stuck in really stupid comedies like 8 Heads in a Duffel Bag, and Gone Fishin once he started getting lead roles. It wouldn't surprise me if those kinds of parts were basically the catalyst for why he originally wanted to retire from acting in the first place. This is Gone Fishin' slander and I won't have it. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 21, 2020 19:57:30 GMT
Pesci also got stuck in really stupid comedies like 8 Heads in a Duffel Bag, and Gone Fishin once he started getting lead roles. It wouldn't surprise me if those kinds of parts were basically the catalyst for why he originally wanted to retire from acting in the first place. This is Gone Fishin' slander and I won't have it. "That car meant a lot to me, Gus. I get memories of that car I can't even remember." I mean it is a stupid film. I don't hate hate it, but it did turn out to be a bit of an ill-conceived project given how much the budget ended up ballooning by the end, and how much money it lost as a result. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 21, 2020 20:20:11 GMT
I think what caused his dissatisfaction might have been the big dramas that failed The Public Eye and With Honors - if one of those could have hit it may have opened up some doors for him.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 21, 2020 21:19:50 GMT
I think what caused his dissatisfaction might have been the big dramas that failed The Public Eye and With Honors - if one of those could have hit it may have opened up some doors for him. actually did okay, but yeah The Public Eye was basically dumped. Shame too, as it's one of his best non Scorsese films / roles. It's actually really engaging with a cool little noir-ish nighttime dangerous feeling, and he and Barbara Hershey have great chemistry together. I'd consider it a bit of an unsung gem. |
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 15, 2022 21:44:23 GMT
deadline.com/2022/12/jack-huston-day-of-the-fight-michael-pitt-joe-pesci-movie-1235200481/Pesci back in the movies! and he has Bupkis coming up (already picked up for season two), I'd wager an Emmy nom coming his way in the wiiiiiide open Supporting category... a win there would be remarkable. Sight-unseen perf but c'mon it's Pesci. He must've had a change of career-heart, it's a lot of new work - I thought he'd go out on The Irishman, too. That perf was astonishing - and suggested his deeper, serener side that we hadn't seen often. His talent outsizes his career, but there's several significant, great perfs (yes three Scorseses, The Irishman, Goodfellas, MVP of Raging Bull) and there's also some underrated leads, the pre-Uncut Gems esque Dear Mr Wonderful, that nobody ever talks about... and many hilarious turns (differently pitched and played comedy, at that). Keitel has three really great leads (Mean Streets, Fingers, Bad Lieutenant) but he hasn't been great since that '92-95 period, and he works a lot! He can't really be funny either, he can be charming and work off a gag but he's often a lamppost in comedy movies. I love both but I prefer Pesci and it's stunning me that he ain't done yet.
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