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Post by madmonsterparty on Jan 18, 2020 3:11:46 GMT
It hadn’t won Best Picture? Roughly the same? Maybe Better off? Worse off even? And even though I’m more than old enough to remember it coming and winning the Oscar, for the life of me I can’t recall what it’s reputation was before awards season really took off. Does anyone remember what the General consensus about it was before its big night? Thanks for any comments or opinions in advance!
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jan 18, 2020 3:50:06 GMT
Lots of people didn't like the film. Some people saw Babel with it. Just this ugly film with heavy social allusions - and I guess some people feel like they know their "American society" too well and that this film wasn't worthy of their expert intellectual knowledge on society. (some storylines they just couldn't stand) But the hate was definitely amplified after it beat Brokeback. Some people were just really endearing and heartbroken Brokeback fans. Others were highly anti-Haggis school of filmmaking. (Since he wrote Million Dollar Baby - they hated some of the same tendencies he had) And I guess others were just disgruntled after the 9/11 and Iraq War left such a mess, and this film wasn't any remedy to their emotional relief. In that era, there was LOTR, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Brokeback Mountain, and Pan's Labyrinth. Those types of films that provided escapism from the politics of the real war. Many people were just hot-headed over all this, and reached their breaking point in their lives.
I wouldn't say all the reasons are political, or "it beat Brokeback" but it's definitely a huge reason.
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Post by chris3 on Jan 18, 2020 4:09:24 GMT
I remember people mocking Ebert for listing it as his favorite film of the year, so it was already divisive before the Oscars. Beating Brokeback Mountain really cemented its legacy, though. I remember seeing Crash and thinking it was a really, really bad mix of Magnolia and Traffic (two films I love), and then forgetting all about it until its name got called on Oscar night and my head exploded.
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Post by jimmalone on Jan 18, 2020 10:31:03 GMT
I think it would be way better off. Generally people would care way less for it, which equalises already in getting much less hate, cause much of this hate really comes from it being films that were more popular. Just the way it sadly often is in our society.
I personally still think that it is a superior film to Brokeback Mountain.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 18, 2020 13:05:17 GMT
It would definitely be remembered better than it is. the fact that neither Haggis nor any of the major players save Bullock have gone on to do much else of note probably works against it generally being remembered much though.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jan 18, 2020 16:21:43 GMT
The film itself has little in the way of a legacy, just its win representing how out of touch and desperate to pat themselves on the back Hollywood is without being willing to actually put their necks on the line. Take that away and it'd be a mostly forgotten film, a curio of the pre-woke culture "Hollywood Tackles Racism: A Rich White Guy Film" type of movie that has good intentions in the abstract but isn't sharp or incisive enough to make any kind of worthwhile statement.
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Post by flasuss on Jan 19, 2020 2:01:47 GMT
It would have been all but forgotten, but at least it would be less reviled, sure.
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Post by Good God on Jan 19, 2020 2:20:20 GMT
I guess one way to answer this question is to ask yourself: "Would you rather be a forgotten loser or be remembered as a shitty winner?"
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 19, 2020 3:00:38 GMT
Crash was excellent. Better than everything in 2005 besides The New World. Yes, I'm counting Match Point and Munich. I've never seen a popular movie so much smarter than its haters. Brokeback was middling BS.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 19, 2020 3:43:02 GMT
It would have been viewed as another safe Oscar best picture nominee, if anything. I doubt people would have been talking about in any other meaningful way, other then maybe its problematic nature.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 19, 2020 4:09:01 GMT
If this were released today, it'd probably still win Best Screenplay.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jan 19, 2020 5:35:25 GMT
C'mon, you guys, it wouldn't be remembered at all I think a lot of people agree that it isn't some Cats-level garbage, but it is so profoundly unremarkable in every single way - and not even light-hearted as Green Book - that it's just a blank in AMPAS history. It's not even a movie newly-converted cinephiles would visit to check out what happened in 2005, just like almost no one watched I Smile Back to see Sarah Silverman's acting when she was nominated for a SAG.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 5:43:28 GMT
I don't see people liking it any different, but it definitely wouldn't be talked about nearly as much. Literally the only times I've ever seen it brought up is when people talk about the worst Best Picture winners.
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Post by The-Havok on Jan 19, 2020 7:26:16 GMT
Crash is better than 1917
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