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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 16, 2020 23:43:42 GMT
On the basis of The Loudest Voice he definitely hasn't lost any of his talent, but why did he go from the actor with the most heat at the turn of the century to such a peripheral player in the 2010s onward? Is this just weird luck?
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2020 23:54:29 GMT
In short, Crowe did it to himself. His meteoric rise in the late '90s and early '00s put him on top of the world extremely quickly . . . but his reputation as a surly rabble-rousing bad boy worked against him. By rights he shouldn't have missed Oscar nominations for Master and Commander or Cinderella Man, but after A Beautiful Mind came out, he had the BAFTA producer incident and, most notably, the phone-throwing incident that made him more of a tabloid persona. It also didn't help that after 2007, Crowe's weight started to catch up to him and he stopped being able to do the majorly physical roles he'd been known for. Crowe is younger than, say, Denzel Washington by almost a full decade, yet he looks older than him now. He also gained some notoriety for being the low point of Les Miserables for a lot of people (even though I think he's the best of the male cast in that movie by quite some distance).
Which is a shame, because Crowe hasn't lost an iota of the charisma and screen presence that made him such a star in the first place. He probably won't ever get anywhere close to the greatness he once had, but few actors ever attain that, and fewer still ever hold onto it. Crowe's mellowed out in the last decade, and I think he's been actually in a better position career-wise the last few years than he was at the start of the decade.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 17, 2020 0:02:26 GMT
In short, Crowe did it to himself. His meteoric rise in the late '90s and early '00s put him on top of the world extremely quickly . . . but his reputation as a surly rabble-rousing bad boy worked against him. By rights he shouldn't have missed Oscar nominations for Master and Commander or Cinderella Man, but after A Beautiful Mind came out, he had the BAFTA producer incident and, most notably, the phone-throwing incident that made him more of a tabloid persona. It also didn't help that after 2007, Crowe's weight started to catch up to him and he stopped being able to do the majorly physical roles he'd been known for. Crowe is younger than, say, Denzel Washington by almost a full decade, yet he looks older than him now. He also gained some notoriety for being the low point of Les Miserables for a lot of people (even though I think he's the best of the male cast in that movie by quite some distance). Which is a shame, because Crowe hasn't lost an iota of the charisma and screen presence that made him such a star in the first place. He probably won't ever get anywhere close to the greatness he once had, but few actors ever attain that, and fewer still ever hold onto it. Crowe's mellowed out in the last decade, and I think he's been actually in a better position career-wise the last few years than he was at the start of the decade. I thought he was very good in The Next Three Days and State of Play the year before, but I've generally been baffled by his recent choices besides The Nice Guys and The Loudest Voice. I really hope he gets some good work soon. |
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Post by quetee on Jan 17, 2020 0:03:42 GMT
In short, Crowe did it to himself. His meteoric rise in the late '90s and early '00s put him on top of the world extremely quickly . . . but his reputation as a surly rabble-rousing bad boy worked against him. By rights he shouldn't have missed Oscar nominations for Master and Commander or Cinderella Man, but after A Beautiful Mind came out, he had the BAFTA producer incident and, most notably, the phone-throwing incident that made him more of a tabloid persona. It also didn't help that after 2007, Crowe's weight started to catch up to him and he stopped being able to do the majorly physical roles he'd been known for. Crowe is younger than, say, Denzel Washington by almost a full decade, yet he looks older than him now. He also gained some notoriety for being the low point of Les Miserables for a lot of people (even though I think he's the best of the male cast in that movie by quite some distance). Which is a shame, because Crowe hasn't lost an iota of the charisma and screen presence that made him such a star in the first place. He probably won't ever get anywhere close to the greatness he once had, but few actors ever attain that, and fewer still ever hold onto it. Crowe's mellowed out in the last decade, and I think he's been actually in a better position career-wise the last few years than he was at the start of the decade. yeah what happened to him is pretty depressing when you think about it. Have you seen his latest pic? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 17, 2020 0:10:07 GMT
On the basis of The Loudest Voice he definitely hasn't lost any of his talent, but why did he go from the actor with the most heat at the turn of the century to such a peripheral player in the 2010s onward? Is this just weird luck? He's awful in The Loudest Voice imo awards be damned and I would actually say he has precisely lost his talent, depending on how high you ranked him to begin with. Great from around 1992- very early 2000s one of the best going in that stretch - but at some point shortly thereafter he turned cold and mannered and he's never regained his form to me. Still ~10 years is nothing to sneeze at either. I loved the guy for that stretch 92-early 00s peak, and he was 1999's legit Best Actor for The Insider.......... but he's like a lot of guys who aren't resilient and who have a great limited run - Edward Norton is another - and then run out of gas and you wake up and notice they are 50 or 60 and doors have now closed. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 17, 2020 1:24:45 GMT
On the basis of The Loudest Voice he definitely hasn't lost any of his talent, but why did he go from the actor with the most heat at the turn of the century to such a peripheral player in the 2010s onward? Is this just weird luck? He's awful in The Loudest Voice imo awards be damned and I would actually say he has precisely lost his talent, depending on how high you ranked him to begin with. Great from around 1992- very early 2000s one of the best going in that stretch - but at some point shortly thereafter he turned cold and mannered and he's never regained his form to me. Still ~10 years is nothing to sneeze at either. I loved the guy for that stretch 92-early 00s peak, and he was 1999's legit Best Actor for The Insider.......... but he's like a lot of guys who aren't resilient and who have a great limited run - Edward Norton is another - and then run out of gas and you wake up and notice they are 50 or 60 and doors have now closed. Wow. I think he's excellent in it and puts shade on Bombshell. But let's put that to the side. Why does an actor of his caliber one day wake up and just not care about the collaborators? Anybody's good enough. This director that director who cares? |
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 17, 2020 1:47:53 GMT
He needs to lose weight. He's so fucking fat now.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 17, 2020 2:03:12 GMT
Wow. I think he's excellent in it and puts shade on Bombshell. But let's put that to the side. Why does an actor of his caliber one day wake up and just not care about the collaborators? Anybody's good enough. This director that director who cares? It's hard to say but that's why I used the word "resilient" - it's hard for actors to keep their heads when the wheels come off. In 2005 - mid-life crisis time at 40+ - he famously dissed De Niro for doing American Express commercials, other people got Oscar nods that year except him for a movie he starred in (never happened before and he'd never get another nod), he had been through a high profile relationship where he broke up a Hollywood marriage, he never fit in Hollywood anyway- at least 2 of his top 5 performances are Australian (Romper Stomper, Proof). That's a lot of stuff swimming in your head all at once, and when the movies pay less successful returns artistically, you get weirder and weirder and choices overall get shakier and shakier too ..........gradually things can fall apart often. |
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Post by rhodoraonline on Jan 17, 2020 3:04:38 GMT
In short, Crowe did it to himself. His meteoric rise in the late '90s and early '00s put him on top of the world extremely quickly . . . but his reputation as a surly rabble-rousing bad boy worked against him. By rights he shouldn't have missed Oscar nominations for Master and Commander or Cinderella Man, but after A Beautiful Mind came out, he had the BAFTA producer incident and, most notably, the phone-throwing incident that made him more of a tabloid persona. It also didn't help that after 2007, Crowe's weight started to catch up to him and he stopped being able to do the majorly physical roles he'd been known for. Crowe is younger than, say, Denzel Washington by almost a full decade, yet he looks older than him now. He also gained some notoriety for being the low point of Les Miserables for a lot of people (even though I think he's the best of the male cast in that movie by quite some distance). Which is a shame, because Crowe hasn't lost an iota of the charisma and screen presence that made him such a star in the first place. He probably won't ever get anywhere close to the greatness he once had, but few actors ever attain that, and fewer still ever hold onto it. Crowe's mellowed out in the last decade, and I think he's been actually in a better position career-wise the last few years than he was at the start of the decade. I agree with everything you say plus I'd like to note one thing. Denzel, Hanks, Matt Damon, and Brad Pitt, etc, that is other major stars who had their heydays around the same era continued to find interesting dramatic roles to play this past decade. It seems once Crowe lost his sweet spot in the business, he was unable to come back with a slew of interesting or significant dramatic roles. Who knows he just doesn't have the passion for the business anymore? |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 17, 2020 4:57:52 GMT
In short, Crowe did it to himself. His meteoric rise in the late '90s and early '00s put him on top of the world extremely quickly . . . but his reputation as a surly rabble-rousing bad boy worked against him. By rights he shouldn't have missed Oscar nominations for Master and Commander or Cinderella Man, but after A Beautiful Mind came out, he had the BAFTA producer incident and, most notably, the phone-throwing incident that made him more of a tabloid persona. It also didn't help that after 2007, Crowe's weight started to catch up to him and he stopped being able to do the majorly physical roles he'd been known for. Crowe is younger than, say, Denzel Washington by almost a full decade, yet he looks older than him now. He also gained some notoriety for being the low point of Les Miserables for a lot of people (even though I think he's the best of the male cast in that movie by quite some distance). Which is a shame, because Crowe hasn't lost an iota of the charisma and screen presence that made him such a star in the first place. He probably won't ever get anywhere close to the greatness he once had, but few actors ever attain that, and fewer still ever hold onto it. Crowe's mellowed out in the last decade, and I think he's been actually in a better position career-wise the last few years than he was at the start of the decade. Yeah, you pretty much covered the crux of his decline. He remains a great actor....I do think he's lost quite a bit of that intensity that got him to the top of his profession in the first place. That hunger that you saw in performances like LA Confidential and Gladiator diminished a lot as the late 2000's went on. I think once he reached the pinnacle, he stopped letting acting consume him. He found other interests like his Rugby Team and family as well. But the screen presence and ability are still there...if he's had a decline, it's a fairly acceptable one, and not as steep as someone like DeNiro had (even in The Irishman, he takes a potentially fascinating role and renders it a recessive snoozfest) . And The Loudest Voice has been a reminder that he can still occasionally tap into what made him great in the first place. As you said, I don't think he's in a terrible place exactly. I don't think he'll ever recover the hunger and intensity that was integral to his rise, but I think he's still at a pretty high level and with the right roles can always do good work. He's no longer at the apex, but he's far from the worst fall from grace. |
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Post by morton on Jan 17, 2020 5:18:47 GMT
Wow. I think he's excellent in it and puts shade on Bombshell. But let's put that to the side. Why does an actor of his caliber one day wake up and just not care about the collaborators? Anybody's good enough. This director that director who cares? It's hard to say but that's why I used the word "resilient" - it's hard for actors to keep their heads when the wheels come off. In 2005 - mid-life crisis time at 40+ - he famously dissed De Niro for doing American Express commercials, other people got Oscar nods that year except him for a movie he starred in (never happened before and he'd never get another nod), he had been through a high profile relationship where he broke up a Hollywood marriage, he never fit in Hollywood anyway- at least 2 of his top 5 performances are Australian (Romper Stomper, Proof). That's a lot of stuff swimming in your head all at once, and when the movies pay less successful returns artistically, you get weirder and weirder and choices overall get shakier and shakier too ..........gradually things can fall apart often. Yes, I guess other than his friendship with Nicole, and I think with Tom when he and Nicole were married (only because I remember stories about them racing motorcycles when Tom was down in Australia shooting one of the Mission Impossible movies), I don't think he had a lot of real friends in Hollywood. I think he didn't care at the time when he was at the top like I remember some dumb feud between him and George Clooney where Clooney mocked Crowe being in a band, because he liked his image as the "bad boy, outsider", but as stephen mentioned, that image eventually became his downfall. In short, Crowe did it to himself. His meteoric rise in the late '90s and early '00s put him on top of the world extremely quickly . . . but his reputation as a surly rabble-rousing bad boy worked against him. By rights he shouldn't have missed Oscar nominations for Master and Commander or Cinderella Man, but after A Beautiful Mind came out, he had the BAFTA producer incident and, most notably, the phone-throwing incident that made him more of a tabloid persona. It also didn't help that after 2007, Crowe's weight started to catch up to him and he stopped being able to do the majorly physical roles he'd been known for. Crowe is younger than, say, Denzel Washington by almost a full decade, yet he looks older than him now. He also gained some notoriety for being the low point of Les Miserables for a lot of people (even though I think he's the best of the male cast in that movie by quite some distance). Which is a shame, because Crowe hasn't lost an iota of the charisma and screen presence that made him such a star in the first place. He probably won't ever get anywhere close to the greatness he once had, but few actors ever attain that, and fewer still ever hold onto it. Crowe's mellowed out in the last decade, and I think he's been actually in a better position career-wise the last few years than he was at the start of the decade. I agree with everything you say plus I'd like to note one thing. Denzel, Hanks, Matt Damon, and Brad Pitt, etc, that is other major stars who had their heydays around the same era continued to find interesting dramatic roles to play this past decade. It seems once Crowe lost his sweet spot in the business, he was unable to come back with a slew of interesting or significant dramatic roles. Who knows he just doesn't have the passion for the business anymore? I think so too. I think he really wanted kids around the time that his career was firing on all gears, and I don't think that Meg Ryan was interested in that because of where she was at in life, and how she already did the long term relationship thing with kids with another sort of bad boy in Dennis Quaid, so after that relationship he reunited with his ex. Of course, I don't know them, but for me, it seemed like he was just ready to settle down, and maybe she was the simplest choice to go with since they already knew each other from before, and to be honest her career never took off like his did. Of course as pupdurcs mentioned, he also had his Rugby Team, so I think he just became incredibly complacent once he reached the top. He already had enough money, he had the leading Oscar, etc. I guess after that he just didn't think he had anything left to prove and would rather enjoy his life in other ways. Can't blame him for that at all. |
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