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Post by cherry68 on Jan 4, 2020 20:21:31 GMT
....Did you watch the video I provided? The problem isn't poverty, it's that the only "cheap" and convenient food available is trash that is actively trying to kill us. Venezuela poor is not USA poor. If you eat one hamburger per day you can't get obese. The problem is people eat 4 hamburgers. Instead of 4 cheap and unhealthy menus, people could get one healthy meal for the same price.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 4, 2020 21:06:59 GMT
....Did you watch the video I provided? The problem isn't poverty, it's that the only "cheap" and convenient food available is trash that is actively trying to kill us. Venezuela poor is not USA poor. If you eat one hamburger per day you can't get obese. The problem is people eat 4 hamburgers. Instead of 4 cheap and unhealthy menus, people could get one healthy meal for the same price. One healthy meal isn't healthy.
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 4, 2020 22:55:29 GMT
If you eat one hamburger per day you can't get obese. The problem is people eat 4 hamburgers. Instead of 4 cheap and unhealthy menus, people could get one healthy meal for the same price. One healthy meal isn't healthy. See, I've always had a cup of milk and cereals for breakfast. It was milk and bread when cereals didn't exist in Italy. Not expensive at all, and healthy. Spaghetti with tomatoes for lunch, and fruit. Another cheap and healthy meal. Proteins for dinner, with salad and fruit. These foods can't be more expensive than fast food menus.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 4, 2020 23:58:42 GMT
One healthy meal isn't healthy. See, I've always had a cup of milk and cereals for breakfast. It was milk and bread when cereals didn't exist in Italy. Not expensive at all, and healthy. Spaghetti with tomatoes for lunch, and fruit. Another cheap and healthy meal. Proteins for dinner, with salad and fruit. These foods can't be more expensive than fast food menus. I agree with you. I eat rice for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, and often one of the two for dinner. But unfortunately, there is now cheap, convenient trash available. If people want to stay "healthy," they'll stay healthy. But if you are given one choice of food that isn't garbage every day, the majority of people won't do that. The problem is the abundance of sweetened, processed trash that is available for a cheap price. I point you to the bible, in which people ate manna every day until they were sick of it (so God gave them quail until they were literally sick of it because his sense of humor is pretty wonderful). I have needed to make a choice to avoid trash - NOT to "eat healthy." But the abundance of trash makes it impossible to eat anything other than homemade, bare dishes if you're on a budget. American stores are built on supplying the most garbage for the lowest price. It's ultimately a matter of discipline, but what's the point of maintaining discipline when the environment encourages poison?
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 5, 2020 6:48:13 GMT
See, I've always had a cup of milk and cereals for breakfast. It was milk and bread when cereals didn't exist in Italy. Not expensive at all, and healthy. Spaghetti with tomatoes for lunch, and fruit. Another cheap and healthy meal. Proteins for dinner, with salad and fruit. These foods can't be more expensive than fast food menus. I agree with you. I eat rice for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, and often one of the two for dinner. But unfortunately, there is now cheap, convenient trash available. If people want to stay "healthy," they'll stay healthy. But if you are given one choice of food that isn't garbage every day, the majority of people won't do that. The problem is the abundance of sweetened, processed trash that is available for a cheap price. I point you to the bible, in which people ate manna every day until they were sick of it (so God gave them quail until they were literally sick of it because his sense of humor is pretty wonderful). I have needed to make a choice to avoid trash - NOT to "eat healthy." But the abundance of trash makes it impossible to eat anything other than homemade, bare dishes if you're on a budget. American stores are built on supplying the most garbage for the lowest price. It's ultimately a matter of discipline, but what's the point of maintaining discipline when the environment encourages poison? The point is your health I guess... But stores are full of cheap trash food because people ask for it, not vice versa. Stores care for money, they don't care if you get rice and vegetables or a slice of cake for the same price. I mean, I blame people for eating too much if they get severely obese, not stores, companies, government or whatever. It's your body, your health, your choice.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 5, 2020 13:28:18 GMT
I agree with you. I eat rice for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, and often one of the two for dinner. But unfortunately, there is now cheap, convenient trash available. If people want to stay "healthy," they'll stay healthy. But if you are given one choice of food that isn't garbage every day, the majority of people won't do that. The problem is the abundance of sweetened, processed trash that is available for a cheap price. I point you to the bible, in which people ate manna every day until they were sick of it (so God gave them quail until they were literally sick of it because his sense of humor is pretty wonderful). I have needed to make a choice to avoid trash - NOT to "eat healthy." But the abundance of trash makes it impossible to eat anything other than homemade, bare dishes if you're on a budget. American stores are built on supplying the most garbage for the lowest price. It's ultimately a matter of discipline, but what's the point of maintaining discipline when the environment encourages poison? The point is your health I guess... But stores are full of cheap trash food because people ask for it, not vice versa. Stores care for money, they don't care if you get rice and vegetables or a slice of cake for the same price. I mean, I blame people for eating too much if they get severely obese, not stores, companies, government or whatever. It's your body, your health, your choice. In America, there is no choice. That's the whole problem. If Americans have such a high obesity rate, it's not because we're so much different from people everywhere else.
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 5, 2020 14:11:53 GMT
The point is your health I guess... But stores are full of cheap trash food because people ask for it, not vice versa. Stores care for money, they don't care if you get rice and vegetables or a slice of cake for the same price. I mean, I blame people for eating too much if they get severely obese, not stores, companies, government or whatever. It's your body, your health, your choice. In America, there is no choice. That's the whole problem. If Americans have such a high obesity rate, it's not because we're so much different from people everywhere else. Maybe it's because you have more money and available food than most other countries.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 5, 2020 19:51:57 GMT
In America, there is no choice. That's the whole problem. If Americans have such a high obesity rate, it's not because we're so much different from people everywhere else. Maybe it's because you have more money and available food than most other countries. That is a gross simplification and you know it. There is little choice of available food to most people. I have showed my evidence. If you don't accept that, fine. I just looked up "richest countries in the world" and found a list of 25 from USA Today (terrible publication). Their list factors in GDP, GNI, life expectancy. I only skimmed it, but it'll do for now. As a rule, this list favors GNI over GDP (GDP is all over the place here, whereas GNI gets lower with each nation). Now I'll compare obesity rates of these twenty-five nations from quick Google searches. I'm not clicking on links, just the info that immediately comes up. I'll list if the blurb says overweight or obese, since these are different terms. 1. Qatar 73% of women, 69% of men are overweight2. Singapore 31% of men, 21.2% of women are overweight3. Brunei Darussalam 12.5% of men obesity prevalence4. Kuwait 42.8% obesity (highest in the world!)5. United Arab Emirates 24.8% of boys overweight 4-18, 89.2% of girls 4-18 - study in 19996. Luxembourg 26% obesity, 60% overweight7. Switzerland 14.9% obesity8. Hong Kong SAR 30.5% overweight and 3.2% obese men, 22.1% and 3.1% women9. Norway 1 in 4 middle aged men, 1 in 5 middle aged women are obese10. Ireland 1 in 4 adults classed as obese11. United States 39.8% of adults classified as obese, with 7.6% severe obesity! Another 31.8% are overweight!!!12. Saudi Arabia 35.6% obesity13. Iceland 58.4% overweight, 23.2% obesity14. Austria 40% overweight, 11% obesity15. Denmark 51% overweight, 16.9% with 30 more BMI)16. Netherlands 52.5% overweight, 18.8% obese17. Germany 23.6% obese18. Sweden 50% overweight19. Belgium 56.4% overweight, 21.1% obese20. Australia 29 to 30% obese21. Canada 64% overweight22. Finland 58% overweight, 23% obese23. Japan 24.7% overweight, 3.6% obese!!!!!! I didn't realize how rare this was, I'll grant you that. 24. France 40% overweight, 1 in 10 obese25. Bahrain 28.9% of males, 38.2% of females are obeseNow, some others with high GDP that didn't make it: China 5 to 6% obesityIndia 5% morbid obesityUnited Kingdom 63.8% of English adults have 25 or more BMIMost of these nations are hitting around 25%. The US is hitting nearly 40%. Our overweight rating is over 70%! Are you saying that we are SO rich compared to Iceland, or Switzerland, or Austria, or Denmark, or Germany, or Australia that we just scarf down everything in front of us? I haven't done the studies, but could there be other factors here? Say, the prevalence of processed foods? The lack of convenience of other foods? Perhaps exercise is a part of this, but I imagine that laziness is a part of every nation on earth. There is something wrong with America's food system when we have nearly TWICE the obesity rate of these other countries. Obviously, Japan is the gold standard here: a large country with extraordinary GDP and decently high GNI, with a nearly flat obesity level. I'm not saying that we have to hit that standard (but it would be nice). But it's a good template: what does Japan do that the United States doesn't? That's part of why I linked the video I used. It offers some observations about the food culture differences, and what could be learned from Japan's methods.
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 5, 2020 20:28:33 GMT
Martin StettThe two countries with the longest life expectation in the world are Japan and Italy, but I think obesity rate is different in them. Idk about the other countries. But I said money and availability of foods. In Switzerland, one kilo of meat is 70 - 100 francs. You can't eat much of it, even if you have a decent salary. Japanese society blames people who lose control, so obese people aren't socially accepted, and this is a factor too. Besides, Japan has a population belonging to the same ethnicity and genetics could be a factor too. USA has a worldwide representation. Most of all, the thread title says "severely obese". There's a difference between being overweight (that might depend on the lack of exercise / sport, not necessarily on unhealthy food), and being severely obese. You can't become 400 lbs without spending a lot of money on food.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 5, 2020 20:39:35 GMT
Martin Stett The two countries with the longest life expectation in the world are Japan and Italy, but I think obesity rate is different in them. Idk about the other countries. But I said money and availability of foods. In Switzerland, one kilo of meat is 70 - 100 francs. You can't eat much of it, even if you have a decent salary. Japanese society blames people who lose control, so obese people aren't socially accepted, and this is a factor too. Most of all, the thread title says "severely obese". There's a difference between being overweight (that might depend on the lack of exercise / sport, not necessarily on unhealthy food), and being severely obese. You can't become 400 lbs without spending a lot of money on food. Italy also has low obesity rates. Didn't see an exact number so I left it out. And I listed obesity rates for most of the countries. Usually around 25%. Against 40% USA. That's a major difference. That needs to be addressed. And out of curiosity, I checked 400 pounds with BMI. You'd have to be seven feet tall for 400 pounds not to qualify as morbidly obese. Average height in the USA is 5 foot 4 for women and 5 foot 9 for men. Meaning that one in four American will weigh 235-275 pounds. That's a major difference from 400, which is past morbidly obese and well into "whale." Don't confuse the facts: morbidly obese is weight that causes significant health problems, not weight that makes it impossible to walk.
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Post by jimmalone on Jan 18, 2020 13:02:36 GMT
I thought they already were... Actually I thought it was 1 in 3....
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 18, 2020 13:38:51 GMT
I thought they already were... Actually I thought it was 1 in 3.... Maybe they are predicting an improvement then...
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Post by LaraQ on Jan 18, 2020 14:38:39 GMT
Martin Stett The two countries with the longest life expectation in the world are Japan and Italy, but I think obesity rate is different in them. Idk about the other countries. But I said money and availability of foods. In Switzerland, one kilo of meat is 70 - 100 francs. You can't eat much of it, even if you have a decent salary. Japanese society blames people who lose control, so obese people aren't socially accepted, and this is a factor too.Besides, Japan has a population belonging to the same ethnicity and genetics could be a factor too. USA has a worldwide representation. Most of all, the thread title says "severely obese". There's a difference between being overweight (that might depend on the lack of exercise / sport, not necessarily on unhealthy food), and being severely obese. You can't become 400 lbs without spending a lot of money on food. The Japanese have maybe the healthiest diet in the world,mostly fish,rice vegetables.We could learn a lot from them here in the west.
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 18, 2020 18:01:45 GMT
Martin Stett The two countries with the longest life expectation in the world are Japan and Italy, but I think obesity rate is different in them. Idk about the other countries. But I said money and availability of foods. In Switzerland, one kilo of meat is 70 - 100 francs. You can't eat much of it, even if you have a decent salary. Japanese society blames people who lose control, so obese people aren't socially accepted, and this is a factor too.Besides, Japan has a population belonging to the same ethnicity and genetics could be a factor too. USA has a worldwide representation. Most of all, the thread title says "severely obese". There's a difference between being overweight (that might depend on the lack of exercise / sport, not necessarily on unhealthy food), and being severely obese. You can't become 400 lbs without spending a lot of money on food. The Japanese have maybe the healthiest diet in the world,mostly fish,rice vegetables.We could learn a lot from them here in the west. Mediterranean diet is on the UNESCO Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity 😎 Being Italian has some advantages...
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