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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 11, 2019 15:58:36 GMT
I'd like to believe that he's still in but those recent GG and SAG snubs make me feel anxious.
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Post by Good God on Dec 11, 2019 15:59:46 GMT
Probably out. I'm not even going to reconsider it unless he hits BAFTA, which I won't predict him for.
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Post by stephen on Dec 11, 2019 16:01:22 GMT
I think he's on the out looking in. His film's doing well, but by rights he should've gotten into SAG and the Globes. Yes, the HFPA's apparently pissy at him because of his speech and they may feel his Lifetime Achievement Award is enough at SAG, but he's not been a big BAFTA candidate in his day, either, and if he misses there, there's really no reason to predict him. Legendary status can only get you so far.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 11, 2019 16:08:00 GMT
I think he's on the out looking in. His film's doing well, but by rights he should've gotten into SAG and the Globes. Yes, the HFPA's apparently pissy at him because of his speech and they may feel his Lifetime Achievement Award is enough at SAG, but he's not been a big BAFTA candidate in his day, either, and if he misses there, there's really no reason to predict him. Legendary status can only get you so far. Yeah, you're not wrong but there have been cases of "surprise" nominees like Laura Linney for instance back in 2008. She was snubbed by the GG, SAG, Bafta, CCA and still managed to score an Oscar nomination. Ditto Maggie Gyllenhaal the following year. I know it's incredibly rare but it's not impossible. At least DE Niro still managed to score a CCA nomination.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 11, 2019 16:13:56 GMT
I still have him as In but that lack of precursors sure will be tough to overcome. Yet I expect to see him there at the end of the day. Although Bale is to be doubted at one's own peril which applies to me now too...
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 11, 2019 16:22:30 GMT
Hate to say it as it's such a brilliant understated performance that plays off his two equally brilliant co-stars beautifully, but he's out. Missing two key precursors is a huge hit to his likelihood and there's just far too much competition in that field. It could still happen, but right now I don't see it at all.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 11, 2019 16:25:39 GMT
I’m tentatively predicting him for a coattail nomination.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 11, 2019 16:34:57 GMT
I'm going to say De Niro is in, he's getting points for making this picture happen to begin with and I think he's getting BAFTA (and Pacino misses BAFTA).
When people see it being De Niro/Pesci instead of just Pacino/Pesci, there'll be some reconsideration I reckon and De Niro makes much more sense as "in".
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 11, 2019 16:42:33 GMT
I still have him as In but that lack of precursors sure will be tough to overcome. Yet I expect to see him there at the end of the day. Although Bale is to be doubted at one's own peril which applies to me now too...I've said it before, if Bale gets a nod he will have 5 nods in this decade - that's Brando/Pacino level historic - and it was his most charming and least "look at me"/stunty performance. ever I'd say Everybody talks about Pitt as a movie star performance and it was, but Bale's most definitely was at well - there's a lot to love there.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 11, 2019 16:50:42 GMT
I still believe he will be in. I can't see Bale being in and I think Pryce is not certain.
Missing GG and SAG is not a good sign at all but he might have many things to count on. The movie was made thanks (also) to him, most probably his co-stars will grab nods, he's practically in every single scene of the film and his performance is one of the best he has given the last 15-20 years.
The Irishman might get nominations in about 10-11 categories (BP, BD, script, 2 supporting actors, editing, production design, makeup, costumes, cinematography, VFX...). It won't be easy to leave out the leading guy, who carries the whole film on his shoulders and whom you get to see non-stop for 3 and a half hours.
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 11, 2019 16:59:15 GMT
Yes, the HFPA's apparently pissy at him because of his speech I mean Oldman said much worse and yet he won.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 11, 2019 17:03:22 GMT
I think he'll get in, but it'll be more of a coattail nomination, although him being snubbed at some of the major predecessor awards, does make his potential snub a lot less shocking for me.
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Post by stephen on Dec 11, 2019 17:03:57 GMT
Yes, the HFPA's apparently pissy at him because of his speech I mean Oldman said much worse and yet he won. True, but he actually got nominated, whereas De Niro was shut out.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 11, 2019 17:15:29 GMT
I mean Oldman said much worse and yet he won. True, but he actually got nominated, whereas De Niro was shut out. I think the notion that the Globes have some sort of grudge against DeNiro for some tongue in cheek acceptance speech in 2011 to be ludicrous. They have so much of a grudge, they nominated his mixed-reviewed performance in The Wizard Of Lies in 2018. This is an organisation that tries to hire Ricky Gervais every year to skewer them in front of millions as artisticaly bankrupt, starfucking clowns. They are clearly not that sensitive, as stars often playfully rib the Globes for being a more corrupt and lightweight Oscars all the time. I doubt any of them remember or care what DeNiro said about them. It's just a very deniable performance.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 11, 2019 20:24:45 GMT
True, but he actually got nominated, whereas De Niro was shut out. I think the notion that the Globes have some sort of grudge against DeNiro for some tongue in cheek acceptance speech in 2011 to be ludicrous. They have so much of a grudge, they nominated his mixed-reviewed performance in The Wizard Of Lies in 2018. This is an organisation that tries to hire Ricky Gervais every year to skewer them in front of millions as artisticaly bankrupt, starfucking clowns. They are clearly not that sensitive, as stars often playfully rib the Globes for being a more corrupt and lightweight Oscars all the time. I doubt any of them remember or care what DeNiro said about them. He also got a Critics Choice, Satellite, Emmy and SAG nod for Wizard of Lies too so he had pretty undeniable reviews actually ..........and I doubt the people that are you know, nominating him or not are the same people who are producing the show like those who hire Ricky Gervais (which I assume is Dick Clark Productions or whoever took that over upon his death).
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 11, 2019 21:57:39 GMT
I think the notion that the Globes have some sort of grudge against DeNiro for some tongue in cheek acceptance speech in 2011 to be ludicrous. They have so much of a grudge, they nominated his mixed-reviewed performance in The Wizard Of Lies in 2018. This is an organisation that tries to hire Ricky Gervais every year to skewer them in front of millions as artisticaly bankrupt, starfucking clowns. They are clearly not that sensitive, as stars often playfully rib the Globes for being a more corrupt and lightweight Oscars all the time. I doubt any of them remember or care what DeNiro said about them. He also got a Critics Choice, Satellite, Emmy and SAG nod for Wizard of Lies too so he had pretty undeniable reviews actually ..........and I doubt the people that are you know, nominating him or not are the same people who are producing the show like those who hire Ricky Gervais (which I assume is Dick Clark Productions or whoever took that over upon his death). DeNiro had a lot of positive and several unenthusiastic/ok reviews. I remember, because I read them. I'd say his reviews leaned mixed to positive, not "undeniable". If he was undeniable, with his status and the role itself, he would easily have won all those awards. You can win an Emmy with mediocre reviews (hello Game Of Thrones Season 8, this year's Best Drama Emmy winner with a spectacular 58% on Rotten Tomatoes). Undeniable has nothing to do with it in some cases. DeNiro got nominated many places because he was in a buzzy HBO vehicle, and every year there are only about 6-8 actors in the running for the Best Actor in A Limited series award. It's a limited pool to choose from, and it's not always the highest bar you need to clear to be nominated compared to some more competitive categories (like Best Actor In A Drama). In an equivalent film race, DeNiro would face too much competition to sniff being nominated. As for the rest, the Globe "grudge" assertion is just lame and unbelievable to me. If you want to buy into it, more power to you.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 11, 2019 22:06:54 GMT
DeNiro had a lot of positive and several unenthusiastic/ok reviews. I remember, because I read them. I'd say his reviews leaned mixed to positive, not "undeniable". If he was undeniable, with his status and the role itself, he would easily have won all those awards. You can win an Emmy with mediocre reviews (hello Game Of Thrones Season 8, this year's Best Drama Emmy winner with a spectacular 58% on Rotten Tomatoes). Undeniable has nothing to do with it. DeNiro got nominated many places because he was in a buzzy HBO vehicle, and every year there are only about 6-8 actors in the running for the Best Actor in A Limited series award. It's a limited pool to choose from. In an equivalent film race, DeNiro would face too much competition to sniff being nominated.This is some very specious reasoning tbh - your previous post argued that the Globes went out of their way to nod him because they didn't have a grudge.......now you are talking "winning" which is a different thing. He won the Satellite - and got a nomination from every available awards body - what more do you want exactly? - it doesn't support your argument at all. He was undeniable for a nod, not necessarily a win - in fact that was a great Emmy class where the awards were split at every award. You can win an Emmy with mediocre reviews but not always and Game of Thrones isn't that different from Bombshell's RT score (in the 60s - and it's not fair to compare a SIXTH season TV show with an original TV film or theatrical film ).
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 11, 2019 22:11:37 GMT
Hold on...we are counting the Satellites as a thing!?! I was laughing at them (on another thread), and so were several others. No one takes them seriously. Half the time, no one is sure the voters even watched the things they nominated.
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Post by quetee on Dec 11, 2019 22:30:06 GMT
I'm sticking with out. At first I thought both he and Leo were out but now I'm just back to Bobby. I was shaky with Leo cause QT hasn't scored double nods in years but since this looks like the bp winner, I think two is possible.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 11, 2019 22:59:13 GMT
Hold on...we are counting the Satellites as a thing!?! I was laughing at them (on another thread), and so were several others. No one takes them seriously. Half the time, no one is sure the voters even watched the things they nominated. We're just counting them as one of every single possible eligible TV award that nominated/rewarded De Niro for Wizard of Lies. I noticed you didn't reference the thread - so people not reading the whole thread and just quickly scanning recent posts wouldn't realize that you were misdirecting them to deflect what you wrote actually wrote ............ and they maybe wouldn't notice you're agenda driven posting formula - ABD - "anybody but De Niro" - right - too big of a threat is that it? We all know what's up, and we've all got our eyes on you..........that's what we're laughing about......
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Post by stephen on Dec 11, 2019 23:02:04 GMT
It really should be said that there is an unwritten rule that if an A-list movie star turns in work on television, it's very hard for them not to get nominated, regardless of the quality of the work. Regardless of one's thoughts on De Niro's work in The Wizard of Lies, he was almost guaranteed a nomination sight unseen just because of who he is and the network behind him. It's not really something that we can use as a verifiable metric one way or the other.
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Post by Good God on Dec 11, 2019 23:02:10 GMT
LOL, owned by facts and reason again.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 11, 2019 23:09:40 GMT
It really should be said that there is an unwritten rule that if an A-list movie star turns in work on television, it's very hard for them not to get nominated, regardless of the quality of the work. Regardless of one's thoughts on De Niro's work in The Wizard of Lies, he was almost guaranteed a nomination sight unseen just because of who he is and the network behind him. It's not really something that we can use as a verifiable metric one way or the other. True .......but with nuances, like Kingsley as Lenin or Hopkins as Lear (!) - they are several ones like this. Usually you do get nodded if it's your first appearance though like it was for De Niro here. Nevertheless, related to this thread it still contradicts pupdurcs supposed point - that they nominated him when he was undeserving for a mixed reviewed performance so they didn't have a grudge - we can't possibly know that. It was rather a quite acclaimed piece of work by him - though ymmv and stephen I know you prefer Dreyfuss, same role same year.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 11, 2019 23:24:51 GMT
Hold on...we are counting the Satellites as a thing!?! I was laughing at them (on another thread), and so were several others. No one takes them seriously. Half the time, no one is sure the voters even watched the things they nominated. We're just counting them as one of every single possible eligible TV award that nominated/rewarded De Niro for Wizard of Lies. I noticed you didn't reference the thread - so people not reading the whole thread and just quickly scanning recent posts wouldn't realize that you were misdirecting them to deflect what you wrote actually wrote ............ and they maybe wouldn't notice you're agenda driven posting formula - ABD - "anybody but De Niro" - right - too big of a threat is that it? We all know what's up, and we've all got our eyes on you..........that's what we're laughing about...... Stop being ridiculous. This is the idiotic triggered mentality that has been ruining this forum, and it needs to stop. I don't care for DeNiro's work in The Irishman (or much of his work in the last 20 years) and would rather he not be nominated. That's not an agenda or a secret, it's a goddamned opinion that everyone else here is allowed to have here except for me apparently. What law is there that I have to suck the dicks of your favorite actors? Having said that, I still defended the possibility of DeNiro being nominated on the SAG thread, even when Matt was saying he was completely toast. I don't let my opinions about an actor cloud my logic.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 11, 2019 23:25:48 GMT
It really should be said that there is an unwritten rule that if an A-list movie star turns in work on television, it's very hard for them not to get nominated, regardless of the quality of the work. Regardless of one's thoughts on De Niro's work in The Wizard of Lies, he was almost guaranteed a nomination sight unseen just because of who he is and the network behind him. It's not really something that we can use as a verifiable metric one way or the other. Thank You!!!!!!!
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