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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 6, 2019 22:17:49 GMT
Interested to see what we all think.
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Post by stephen on Dec 6, 2019 22:21:33 GMT
I'm on neither side, and that's the point of the film, I think. On the surface, Nicole has more of a case because Charlie cheated on her and he refused to consider anything that might benefit her in terms of anything that didn't involve his personal life, but Charlie also pointed out that Nicole had been frosting him out before he slept with Mary-Ann (was that her name?) and that there wasn't any communication. Both sides had good points, but both parties were also complicit in the collapse of their marriage.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 6, 2019 22:22:52 GMT
Nicole, no doubt. Cheating on your spouse + basically ignoring her wishes/desires = me absolutely finding Nicole more sympathetic in the film |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 6, 2019 22:27:20 GMT
I'm on neither side, and that's the point of the film, I think. On the surface, Nicole has more of a case because Charlie cheated on her and he refused to consider anything that might benefit her in terms of anything that didn't involve his personal life, but Charlie also pointed out that Nicole had been frosting him out before he slept with Mary-Ann (was that her name?) and that there wasn't any communication. Both sides had good points, but both parties were also complicit in the collapse of their marriage. You're talking about nuance in this day and age? Nay! For real, though, I took most of what Charlie and Nicole ever said about each other in that fight with a grain of salt. Even if everything Charlie said about her was true, his cheating easily outweighs all of that for me. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 6, 2019 22:28:57 GMT
I'm on neither side, and that's the point of the film, I think. On the surface, Nicole has more of a case because Charlie cheated on her and he refused to consider anything that might benefit her in terms of anything that didn't involve his personal life, but Charlie also pointed out that Nicole had been frosting him out before he slept with Mary-Ann (was that her name?) and that there wasn't any communication. Both sides had good points, but both parties were also complicit in the collapse of their marriage. You're talking about nuance in this day and age? Nay! For real, though, I took most of what Charlie and Nicole ever said about each other in that fight with a grain of salt. Even if everything Charlie said about her was true, his cheating easily outweighs all of that for me. Which is fine, but it's interesting that the film doesn't treat that infidelity on the same level as Nicole feeling her career and desire to grow as an actress were being stifled. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 6, 2019 22:29:18 GMT
I thought Baumbach overwrote the Driver part to such an extent that I got further and further away from him the slicing, the singing, the untied shoelace! he just wasn't my kind of guy or similar to anyone I know and I totally and more directly got Nicole's POV. The best line in the whole ridiculously wordy script is "I got small" from her - 3 little words that wrecked me far more than his dramatic set pieces. I don't think he could really write the male role honestly actually, he fell into writer formula for me with Charlie telling her he wishes she was dead and then crying over it on the floor -  .....the exact opposite of what I thought would happen in his writing. |
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 6, 2019 23:02:58 GMT
I'm playing both sides so that I always come out on top.
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Post by The-Havok on Dec 7, 2019 1:54:17 GMT
Honestly none. Who the fuck does coke other than Jordan Belfort when they have a kid
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Post by pendragon on Dec 7, 2019 4:39:46 GMT
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Post by Good God on Dec 7, 2019 4:43:17 GMT
Nicole blindsided Charlie and played him dirty with the divorce thing, but I think I'm easily on her side as far as their marriage goes.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Dec 7, 2019 22:33:32 GMT
Nicole blindsided Charlie and played him dirty with the divorce thing, but I think I'm easily on her side as far as their marriage goes. This is my sentiments exactly. |
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Post by Pasquale on Dec 8, 2019 4:26:26 GMT
Scarlett is a cutie.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 8, 2019 4:45:20 GMT
Nicole had to play some dirty cards at first, but I'm on her side. But if you ask me if I left the movie hating some people, yeah, I did ( the woman that gaves Nicole the lawyer card )
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 8, 2019 14:04:23 GMT
Nicole deciding to stay in LA permanently was a dirty card and you could feel Charlie was starting to loose contact with his son (Halloween night, no hug at the end, wanting to stay with his mother etc).
But he cheated on his wife so I gotta go with her side.
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Post by morton on Dec 9, 2019 7:38:42 GMT
Nicole deciding to stay in LA permanently was a dirty card and you could feel Charlie was starting to loose contact with his son (Halloween night, no hug at the end, wanting to stay with his mother etc). But he cheated on his wife so I gotta go with her side. Yeah I’m pretty unforgiving of the cheating, but reading other people’s reaction to who they might have had more sympathy for, I’ve come around more to thinking they’re both equally terrible because they pointed out that Nicole planned from the beginning to essentially parentally kidnap Henry by moving to LA and already deciding way ahead of time that she wasn’t going to return to New York. That’s one of the worst things that I think a parent can do to another parent. Sure Charlie cheated and was a took Nicole for granted, but he was a good father. I guess I didn’t really think about it at first because of the cheating, and how I could see why Nicole wanted freedom, but still it’s wrong to just leave to another state with any children in the marriage and plan to stay in that other state forever. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 9, 2019 8:00:38 GMT
Nicole deciding to stay in LA permanently was a dirty card and you could feel Charlie was starting to loose contact with his son (Halloween night, no hug at the end, wanting to stay with his mother etc). But he cheated on his wife so I gotta go with her side. Yeah I’m pretty unforgiving of the cheating, but reading other people’s reaction to who they might have had more sympathy for, I’ve come around more to thinking they’re both equally terrible because they pointed out that Nicole planned from the beginning to essentially parentally kidnap Henry by moving to LA and already deciding way ahead of time that she wasn’t going to return to New York. That’s one of the worst things that I think a parent can do to another parent. Sure Charlie cheated and was a took Nicole for granted, but he was a good father. I guess I didn’t really think about it at first because of the cheating, and how I could see why Nicole wanted freedom, but still it’s wrong to just leave to another state with any children in the marriage and plan to stay in that other state forever. I think Baumbach tried to make us pick the side of Charlie all the way through the movie and balanced it with him cheating on Nicole. On the other hand, they decided to divorce and she left for LA without being sure he cheated on her. If the cheating wasn't there, I'd definitely take the side of Charlie. |
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Post by countjohn on Dec 10, 2019 3:56:39 GMT
They both did bad things and made mistakes which is usually why marriages collapse. Although her taking the kid to the other side of the continent was the worst thing either of them did. I get mad at someone who cheats when the marriage is okay and it's just about selfishness and lack of impulse control. But their marriage was already in tatters (they said they hadn't had sex in over a year and were sleeping in different beds when the affair started) so I really don't see the big deal or how it automatically makes him "the bad guy". It's still bad but it was just one more bad thing in the marriage. Even if he doesn't cheat they're still getting divorced. So ultimately I'm not on a "side". Honestly none. Who the fuck does coke other than Jordan Belfort when they have a kid Also agree with this. Getting drunk at a party or doing a little weed isn't such a big deal but you shouldn't be doing hard drugs when you're in your 30's with a kid. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 11, 2019 3:44:36 GMT
I think one of the things the movie did well was getting me on his side early on and then getting me to switch to her side as things developed.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 17, 2019 4:17:12 GMT
Ppl are actually taking this bitch’s side?
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Post by wattsnew on Dec 19, 2019 11:09:44 GMT
Ppl are actually taking this bitch’s side? 10 people are. The majority side with the sympathetic, wronged, independent woman. |
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