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Post by jakob on Dec 4, 2019 21:13:08 GMT
We are likely back in that situation given so many black led/black made films are just not catching enough buzz. Yes, we have Cynthia Erivo, Eddie Murphy, Daniel Kaluuya, Jodie Turner Smirh, and Jamie Foxx as viable contenders but neither are even remotely guaranteed nominations. In fact, we’re in a weird year where Asian representation from Parasite and The Farewell is far more likely, as well as Hispanic contenders Lopez and Banderas. But then again, we are very likely in a situation where it is an entirely Caucasian lineup and get ready for those headlines.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 4, 2019 21:24:34 GMT
............and the films that are likely to win do not in their storylines make concessions to race at all (ie OUATIH, The Irishman, 1917)......the Oscars are early this year so I'm not so sure it will hit pre-ceremony as much but it will definitely afterwards I reckon.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 4, 2019 21:27:46 GMT
Lupita N'yongo just won the Best Actress Award from the New York Film Critics Circle.
Awkwafina just won Best Actress at The Gothams.
Both are in real contention. I can see both being nominated .Considering that, it's an odd week to be pressing the "Oscars So White" panic button.
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Post by The-Havok on Dec 4, 2019 21:35:33 GMT
God hopefully not
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Post by quetee on Dec 5, 2019 0:07:14 GMT
So this is gonna be an annual thread? Black people complain if there is reason to complain. So far, i dont see a reason. Im sure people will groan lupita but that's about it.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 5, 2019 0:18:25 GMT
So this is gonna be an annual thread? Black people complain if there is reason to complain. So far, i dont see a reason. Im sure people will groan lupita but that's about it. Are black people the only other people in the world?
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 5, 2019 1:09:15 GMT
We are likely back in that situation given so many black led/black made films are just not catching enough buzz. Yes, we have Cynthia Erivo, Eddie Murphy, Daniel Kaluuya, Jodie Turner Smirh, and Jamie Foxx as viable contenders but neither are even remotely guaranteed nominations. In fact, we’re in a weird year where Asian representation from Parasite and The Farewell is far more likely, as well as Hispanic contenders Lopez and Banderas. But then again, we are very likely in a situation where it is an entirely Caucasian lineup and get ready for those headlines. How can it be Oscar So White with Parasite, The Farewell, Antonio Banderas, Jennifer Lopez?
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Post by finniussnrub on Dec 5, 2019 1:17:16 GMT
Banderas is European, although that misconception shows perhaps it is the individual that matters rather than the "race" they are perceived to be from.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 5, 2019 2:15:08 GMT
Banderas is European, although that misconception shows perhaps it is the individual that matters rather than the "race" they are perceived to be from. The misconception is people actually think voters care about the race of the person they're voting for. Well maybe a couple of years. Now I'm not so sure.
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Post by quetee on Dec 5, 2019 2:29:02 GMT
So this is gonna be an annual thread? Black people complain if there is reason to complain. So far, i dont see a reason. Im sure people will groan lupita but that's about it. Are black people the only other people in the world? a black person started the # so that is what im addressing.
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Post by jimmalone on Dec 5, 2019 11:27:25 GMT
This should be such a non-issue. Colour of skin shouldn't matter when discussing your favorite films of the year and while I'm pretty sure that there are some voters, who make their votes dependent from such irrelevant and blameworthy aspects I'm also pretty sure the majority doesn't. Theoretically everybody should treated the same way though and a stupid propaganda like "Oscars so white" only undermines the value of equality.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 1:03:29 GMT
Antonio Banderas is white, guys.
I'm currently predicting Awkwafina and Nyong'o, so there won't be an entirely white set of nominees.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 6, 2019 1:55:20 GMT
Antonio Banderas is white, guys. I'm currently predicting Awkwafina and Nyong'o, so there won't be an entirely white set of nominees. Antonio Banderas identifies himself as a Spanish actor, producer, singer. Just like Alfonso Cuaron and Guillermo Del Toro identifies themselves as Mexican film makers.
Parasite will be a big contender and Bong Joon Ho likely will be nominated for Best Director. And Jennifer Lopez will likely be in Supporting Actress.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 6, 2019 2:13:44 GMT
yawn...Banderas is hispanic? Is a Spaniard, not a Hispanic in US terms for us the latinamerican there are no difference between someone from Mexico with someone from French Canada or Italoamerican. Specially in Uruguay where 95% are caucasian or mixed races, I consider canadianfrench and italoamerican latins, and most we are descend of Spaniards, italians, portuguese and french people (and also many have ancestor from GB, Russia, Eastern Europe, Jews and Middle East). In fact probably I have more ADN in common than most of the mexican people.- But in US Spaniards have a double adventage. First they could portray European, and they could portray latinos.- They have audiences in Europe and in Latin America. Bardem, Cruz and Banderas sells well in Europe and Latin America.
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Post by cherry68 on Dec 6, 2019 5:40:17 GMT
Antonio Banderas is white, guys. Banderas is surely white in my book, but most Europeans consider Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and Greek not entirely white... I've heard people on IMDb calling Italians "people of color".
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Post by countjohn on Dec 6, 2019 7:32:59 GMT
Some years you will have zero black nominees some years you will have like five. These days it evens out. Antonio Banderas is white, guys. Banderas is surely white in my book, but most Europeans consider Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and Greek not entirely white... I've heard people on IMDb calling Italians "people of color". That's why "POC" is such a pointless junk bin concept. Some Italians and people from places in Southeast Europe like Serbia or Romania have darker complexions that some Hispanic ethnicities or Turks. Even though most people would still consider them white and not Hispanics/Turks. Then I'm not sure how ethnicities like Albanians or Gypsies fit into this dichotomy either. The world is a lot more complicated than the now popular binary oppressor/oppressed view of life. Banderas is both Hispanic and European. How hat fits into the contrived POC vs White distinction I don't know.
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Post by cherry68 on Dec 6, 2019 11:44:13 GMT
Some years you will have zero black nominees some years you will have like five. These days it evens out. Banderas is surely white in my book, but most Europeans consider Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and Greek not entirely white... I've heard people on IMDb calling Italians "people of color". That's why "POC" is such a pointless junk bin concept. Some Italians and people from places in Southeast Europe like Serbia or Romania have darker complexions that some Hispanic ethnicities or Turks. Even though most people would still consider them white and not Hispanics/Turks. Then I'm not sure how ethnicities like Albanians or Gypsies fit into this dichotomy either. The world is a lot more complicated than the now popular binary oppressor/oppressed view of life. Banderas is both Hispanic and European. How hat fits into the contrived POC vs White distinction I don't know. Lots of people from the Balkan area are blonde and blue eyed... The truth is most Europeans have different ancestors. The Milan area had Romans, barbaric invasions from different groups, and in the last centuries Spanish, French, Austrian. Our features are a mix of them all. Virna Lisi and Maria Grazia Cucinotta are both Italians, but extremely different looking. I don't see it as a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 13:28:33 GMT
Antonio Banderas is white, guys. I'm currently predicting Awkwafina and Nyong'o, so there won't be an entirely white set of nominees. Antonio Banderas identifies himself as a Spanish actor, producer, singer. Just like Alfonso Cuaron and Guillermo Del Toro identifies themselves as Mexican film makers.
Parasite will be a big contender and Bong Joon Ho likely will be nominated for Best Director. And Jennifer Lopez will likely be in Supporting Actress.
Yes, Banderas is Spanish. Cuaron and Del Toro are Mexican. That doesn't mean they aren't white. For example, last year both Yalitza Aparicio and Marina de Tavira were nominated - both are Mexican - de Tavira is white, as her ancestry is European. Aparicio is brown, as her ancestry is indigenous. I forgot about Lopez in Supporting Actress! She feels like a lock at this stage - I'm guessing she'll win the Golden Globe.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 6, 2019 16:35:50 GMT
Ugh...it’s so played out. Small vocal groups on twitter will always find something to bitch about.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 6, 2019 18:41:23 GMT
Antonio Banderas identifies himself as a Spanish actor, producer, singer. Just like Alfonso Cuaron and Guillermo Del Toro identifies themselves as Mexican film makers.
Parasite will be a big contender and Bong Joon Ho likely will be nominated for Best Director. And Jennifer Lopez will likely be in Supporting Actress.
Yes, Banderas is Spanish. Cuaron and Del Toro are Mexican. That doesn't mean they aren't white. For example, last year both Yalitza Aparicio and Marina de Tavira were nominated - both are Mexican - de Tavira is white, as her ancestry is European. Aparicio is brown, as her ancestry is indigenous. I forgot about Lopez in Supporting Actress! She feels like a lock at this stage - I'm guessing she'll win the Golden Globe. The whole Oscar So White complaint was the lack of minority representation. Banderas is from a minority group. Same with Bong Joon Ho.
No, Lauren Dern deserves the win. She's gotten career best reviews for Marriage Story. Just like Regina King did last year.
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Post by Good God on Dec 6, 2019 18:47:30 GMT
The whole Oscar So White complaint was the lack of minority representation. Banderas is from a minority group. Same with Bong Joon Ho. Not really. It was about Black representation. Inarritu won Best Director both years there was that controversy, but nobody cared.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 18:53:26 GMT
The whole Oscar So White complaint was the lack of minority representation. Banderas is from a minority group. Same with Bong Joon Ho. Not really. It was about Black representation. Inarritu won Best Director both years there was that controversy, but nobody cared. Because he's white, I'd think.
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Post by Good God on Dec 6, 2019 18:59:25 GMT
Because he's white, I'd think. 1 Are Mexicans considered White? 2. The poster I was responding to mentioned minority representation. Whether or not you consider Inarritu to be White, he's definitely a minority.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 19:08:41 GMT
Because he's white, I'd think. 1 Are Mexicans considered White? 2. The poster I was responding to mentioned minority representation. Whether or not you consider Inarritu to be White, he's definitely a minority. 1. Yes, Mexicans who are of Spanish/European descent are considered white. Wiki2. A minority as in he's not American or not a native-English speaker? Would Isabelle Huppert be considered a minority, too?
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Post by Good God on Dec 6, 2019 19:23:30 GMT
1. Yes, Mexicans who are of Spanish/European descent are considered white. WikiThat's a bit irrelevant. I'm talking specifically about Mexicans like Inarritu here. Is Inarritu completely or predominantly of Spanish/European descent? He doesn't identify himself as White. Quote from Inarritu: "I think the debate is not only about black and white people. I think diversity really includes... we are yellow and Native Americans and Latin Americans. The complexity of the society of the world is much more than one or the other." Iñárritu also drew a huge round of applause for pointing out that the diversity issue is “not only about African Americans.” “I want to say how many Latin Americans… what about Native Americans,” he continued, adding that by starting from the beginning of the chain, the recognition and awards “will come to a balance.”I was responding to a post that said Banderas belonged to a minority group. And Banderas is of Spanish/European descent. So if Banderas is from a minority group, Inarritu certainly is. As for whether Huppert is a minority, I don't care enough to give my opinion on that. She is a minority in that she's French. She's not a minority in that she's White. Which lane do you pick?
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