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Post by stephen on Dec 2, 2019 15:28:53 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 2, 2019 16:25:41 GMT
Pretty basic and with that "ensemble" award a way out of male acting decisions but this looks like much of what we'll see from these fairly benign groups......at some point someone will need to lay down the gauntlet for.......Banderas or Phoenix someone like that or else Driver and Pitt and Dern could steamroll with not a lot of passion necessarily .............though tomorrow is LAFC and NBR who might do it..........theoretically.
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Post by Good God on Dec 2, 2019 17:08:18 GMT
I could easily see the top 5 movies being the top 5 at the Oscars, and all the acting winners also winning at the Oscars.
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Post by Savager on Dec 2, 2019 17:47:41 GMT
Pretty basic and with that "ensemble" award a way out of male acting decisions but this looks like much of what we'll see from these fairly benign groups......at some point someone will need to lay down the gauntlet for.......Banderas or Phoenix someone like that or else Driver and Pitt and Dern could steamroll with not a lot of passion necessarily .............though tomorrow is LAFC and NBR who might do it..........theoretically. Considering how divisive Joker is with critics, I don't see Phoenix winning too many critics awards, especially the major ones (though I can definitely see NBR with the whole WB connection). I don't think he needs it though, I can easily see him sweep the televised awards without them.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 2, 2019 17:51:07 GMT
Best Lead Actor: Adam Driver, Marriage Story
Best Lead Actress: Renee Zellweger, Judy
Best Supporting Actor: Brad Pitt, Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood
Best Supporting Actress: Laura Dern, Marriage Story
Best Director: Bong Joon-ho, Parasite
These could also be the Oscar awards on February.
Best Screenplay: Parasite
Best International Film: Parasite
Best Animated Feature: Toy Story 4
Best Cinematography: 1917
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Post by morton on Dec 2, 2019 17:51:36 GMT
I could easily see the top 5 movies being the top 5 at the Oscars, and all the acting winners also winning at the Oscars. Yes, I'm getting a little worried that I may have overpredicted Jojo Rabbit now, but I admit I'm biased because I'd be happy if it's not a threat at all for BP, lol. The fact that this basic critics group didn't go for it might mean something, or maybe it's just an anomaly and it shows up at most of the other awards. Also agree that this could be our four acting winners. I'm the least sure about Driver, but it's still possible that he wins especially if Marriage Story is really strong and say Joker ends up in a Nightcrawler type of situation. Phoenix probably sweeps though. This is a good sign for Laura Dern. Of course, it's just one award, but I figured Jennifer Lopez would dominate the regional awards, so the fact that Dern was able to win the first one out of the gate might mean that maybe Lopez is more of a pundits and fan thing. I admit it's difficult to know sometimes because I end up overestimating or underestimating something or someone when that kind of bubble happens.
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Post by Good God on Dec 2, 2019 18:02:17 GMT
Yes, I'm getting a little worried that I may have overpredicted Jojo Rabbit now, but I admit I'm biased because I'd be happy if it's not a threat at all for BP, lol. The fact that this basic critics group didn't go for it might mean something, or maybe it's just an anomaly and it shows up at most of the other awards. Also agree that this could be our four acting winners. I'm the least sure about Driver, but it's still possible that he wins especially if Marriage Story is really strong and say Joker ends up in a Nightcrawler type of situation. Phoenix probably sweeps though. This is a good sign for Laura Dern. Of course, it's just one award, but I figured Jennifer Lopez would dominate the regional awards, so the fact that Dern was able to win the first one out of the gate might mean that maybe Lopez is more of a pundits and fan thing. I admit it's difficult to know sometimes because I end up overestimating or underestimating something or someone when that kind of bubble happens. I have finally moved to Phoenix as the frontrunner, but I still think it's really close between him and Driver. If Driver does better with regional critics, the Globes might just go with him and that could well be the decider. I think iHeart was right about pundits jumping on the Lopez bandwagon because she's a star and they knew they'd get more clicks with her. Regardless of what happens with regional critics or the Globes, I have a very hard time imagining Lopez beating Dern at the Oscars. Someone else still might, but not Lopez, I don't think. For actress, I have Johansson as the frontrunner. I can see why Zellweger is considered the frontrunner, but I think Johansson has practically everything an actress can have going for her, so I just can't go against her unless she starts losing precursors. I think internal competition is going to prove a challenge for Pacino and if Pesci also gets nominated alongside Pacino, I think Pitt will end up taking it in a walk.
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Post by morton on Dec 2, 2019 18:23:37 GMT
Yes, I'm getting a little worried that I may have overpredicted Jojo Rabbit now, but I admit I'm biased because I'd be happy if it's not a threat at all for BP, lol. The fact that this basic critics group didn't go for it might mean something, or maybe it's just an anomaly and it shows up at most of the other awards. Also agree that this could be our four acting winners. I'm the least sure about Driver, but it's still possible that he wins especially if Marriage Story is really strong and say Joker ends up in a Nightcrawler type of situation. Phoenix probably sweeps though. This is a good sign for Laura Dern. Of course, it's just one award, but I figured Jennifer Lopez would dominate the regional awards, so the fact that Dern was able to win the first one out of the gate might mean that maybe Lopez is more of a pundits and fan thing. I admit it's difficult to know sometimes because I end up overestimating or underestimating something or someone when that kind of bubble happens. I have finally moved to Phoenix as the frontrunner, but I still think it's really close between him and Driver. If Driver does better with regional critics, the Globes might just go with him and that could well be the decider. I think iHeart was right about pundits jumping on the Lopez bandwagon because she's a star and they knew they'd get more clicks with her. Regardless of what happens with regional critics or the Globes, I have a very hard time imagining Lopez beating Dern at the Oscars. Someone else still might, but not Lopez, I don't think. For actress, I have Johansson as the frontrunner. I can see why Zellweger is considered the frontrunner, but I think Johansson has practically everything an actress can have going for her, so I just can't go against her unless she starts losing precursors. I think internal competition is going to prove a challenge for Pacino and if Pesci also gets nominated alongside Pacino, I think Pitt will end up taking it in a walk. I keep reading that the Globes love Marriage Story, but that could be one of those bubble things, lol. There's no tweets or anything to back that up just from someone who interacted with some Globe voters at Venice, so that seems believable, but also from someone who follows Globe voters's social media accounts which is less reliable. From that person, it did confirm my suspicions that the Globes were going to award some bad winners last time from how one voter who is very active on Twitter was reacting about how people shouldn't blame her when they see who the winners were, lol. Still I don't know how many voters have said they love such and such, whether they'd actually vote for it because loving something doesn't mean they'll actually vote for it although it seems like they would, and of course, whether they're telling the truth at all about loving something or just saying that they do. Anyhow if they do love it maybe Driver can surprise, but I still think they'd rather predict whose going to win the Oscar over anything else so I think they go with Phoenix. Plus I think they'll love Phoenix more. Keeping my fingers crossed that at least one acting race is competitive though, and it's not like 2017 where the four acting winners just steamroll everything. I think you and iHeart are definitely right about Lopez, but sometimes just seeing so much irrational dislike towards Dern at other places makes me doubt myself. (Not that it's irrational to not like her performance, but it is irrational to make up dumb nicknames for her and say that she's a bad actress in general or that every craft person will vote against her because of something she did as an AMPAS Governor.)
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Post by wallsofjericho on Dec 2, 2019 18:27:04 GMT
I'm thinking Pitt will predictably win most of the critics awards including the big 3.
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Post by Savager on Dec 2, 2019 18:37:45 GMT
I'm thinking Pitt will predictably win most of the critics awards including the big 3. Pitt will win the majority of the regional groups, but I think Pesci will win the big 3. Too many people will view Pitt as a lead. I could see Song Kang-ho win one of the big 3 as well.
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Post by Good God on Dec 2, 2019 18:42:39 GMT
I keep reading that the Globes love Marriage Story, but that could be one of those bubble things, lol. There's no tweets or anything to back that up just from someone who interacted with some Globe voters at Venice, so that seems believable, but also from someone who follows Globe voters's social media accounts which is less reliable. From that person, it did confirm my suspicions that the Globes were going to award some bad winners last time from how one voter who is very active on Twitter was reacting about how people shouldn't blame her when they see who the winners were, lol. Still I don't know how many voters have said they love such and such, whether they'd actually vote for it because loving something doesn't mean they'll actually vote for it although it seems like they would, and of course, whether they're telling the truth at all about loving something or just saying that they do. Anyhow if they do love it maybe Driver can surprise, but I still think they'd rather predict whose going to win the Oscar over anything else so I think they go with Phoenix. Plus I think they'll love Phoenix more. Keeping my fingers crossed that at least one acting race is competitive though, and it's not like 2017 where the four acting winners just steamroll everything. The Globes are definitely ulteriorly motivated but, like almost anything else, there are multiple factors at play. What they genuinely like will matter, to some extent. What they think will make for a better show will matter, to some extent. And who they think will win the Oscar will also matter, to some extent. There is little credible information on who they genuinely like better between Phoenix and Driver, but I think they'll know that Phoenix winning will make for a better moment. To counteract that, Driver will need to win regional critics awards to make it look like he will win the Oscar. It's going to be fascinating to see who will edge it out at the Globes. Nah, I can't take any credit for that argument, because it's not mine, LOL. But I think if extraneous factors (outside of their performances) do come into play, it's clear Dern will be the one benefiting from them.
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Post by stephen on Dec 2, 2019 19:00:54 GMT
Anyhow if they do love it maybe Driver can surprise, but I still think they'd rather predict whose going to win the Oscar over anything else so I think they go with Phoenix. Plus I think they'll love Phoenix more. Keeping my fingers crossed that at least one acting race is competitive though, and it's not like 2017 where the four acting winners just steamroll everything. Did they steamroll everything in 2017, though? Industry-wise, sure, but up until then, Dafoe and Metcalf were touted as the frontrunners and even McDormand showed some vulnerability.
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Post by morton on Dec 2, 2019 19:36:48 GMT
Anyhow if they do love it maybe Driver can surprise, but I still think they'd rather predict whose going to win the Oscar over anything else so I think they go with Phoenix. Plus I think they'll love Phoenix more. Keeping my fingers crossed that at least one acting race is competitive though, and it's not like 2017 where the four acting winners just steamroll everything. Did they steamroll everything in 2017, though? Industry-wise, sure, but up until then, Dafoe and Metcalf were touted as the frontrunners and even McDormand showed some vulnerability. Well I meant moreso with the televised awards, but sometimes the regional awards will align more with those than the top tier critics like I would expect Phoenix and Zellweger to do well with them while other actors will win the big 3. I think Driver will still do well with the regionals, but Phoenix will probably will win more of them, so that didn't really surprise me that he won. Dern winning though surprised me because I expect that she probably won't do that well with the big 3 or regional awards, but will likely sweep when the televised awards start similar to when Metcalf and Dafoe won the majority of critics awards but Janney and Rockwell swept the televised awards. (The Globes may go for J. Lo just because of the press that Lopez winning will bring them, but Dern is also one of their favorites, so I think that plus Dern being the frontrunner, imo, will be enough for them to go with Dern.) Since Dern was able to win the first regional group though that may indicate that she's much stronger than I thought she would be.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Dec 2, 2019 19:44:14 GMT
I'm thinking Pitt will predictably win most of the critics awards including the big 3. Pitt will win the majority of the regional groups, but I think Pesci will win the big 3. Too many people will view Pitt as a lead. I could see Song Kang-ho win one of the big 3 as well. Hopefully! 😀
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 2, 2019 19:45:41 GMT
The Globes are definitely ulteriorly motivated but, like almost anything else, there are multiple factors at play. What they genuinely like will matter, to some extent. What they think will make for a better show will matter, to some extent. And who they think will win the Oscar will also matter, to some extent. There is little credible information on who they genuinely like better between Phoenix and Driver, but I think they'll know that Phoenix winning will make for a better moment. To counteract that, Driver will need to win regional critics awards to make it look like he will win the Oscar. It's going to be fascinating to see who will edge it out at the Globes. One thing to keep in mind with the Globes is well, you can buy them and they can be manipulated and persuaded and they are relatively easy to persuade too since the voting body is what 125 or so people (less?) total. The people waging campaigns who do it better win their films Globes nowadays it seems to me - I don't think the Globes really vote what they like much tbh. What is interesting about the Driver/Phoenix race is how much Netflix can almost rig the game and split pushing for The Irishman and Driver simultaneously.
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Post by Lubezki on Dec 2, 2019 19:49:09 GMT
Yes, I'm getting a little worried that I may have overpredicted Jojo Rabbit now, but I admit I'm biased because I'd be happy if it's not a threat at all for BP, lol. The fact that this basic critics group didn't go for it might mean something, or maybe it's just an anomaly and it shows up at most of the other awards. Also agree that this could be our four acting winners. I'm the least sure about Driver, but it's still possible that he wins especially if Marriage Story is really strong and say Joker ends up in a Nightcrawler type of situation. Phoenix probably sweeps though. This is a good sign for Laura Dern. Of course, it's just one award, but I figured Jennifer Lopez would dominate the regional awards, so the fact that Dern was able to win the first one out of the gate might mean that maybe Lopez is more of a pundits and fan thing. I admit it's difficult to know sometimes because I end up overestimating or underestimating something or someone when that kind of bubble happens. I have finally moved to Phoenix as the frontrunner
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Post by Good God on Dec 2, 2019 19:56:09 GMT
One thing to keep in mind with the Globes is well, you can buy them and they can be manipulated and persuaded and they are relatively easy to persuade too since the voting body is what 125 or so people (less?) total. I think it's 80-90 members, if I remember correctly. Sure, you can buy them in a way, and that has happened in the past, but it's still relatively rare. Perhaps because studios know it'll be hard to keep it a secret in this day and age, so they'd rather not even try it. Have to disagree here. On Awards Watch, there are a few posters that track what the HFPA feels about certain movies over the past few years and they've done a pretty good giving a sense of what they like and what they don't, and it's often turned out to be right. I can't remember any specific examples, but with just 80-90 members, it makes sense that you can guess where they're leaning. It can be done, but I don't think it's that easy. But it's clear by now that The Irishman is Netflix's main focus (even if they might focus more on Driver than on De Niro in that particular race, like you say), so I guess we'll soon find out how far they're willing to go for their horse.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 2, 2019 20:21:52 GMT
Parasite!!
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