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Post by stephen on Nov 27, 2019 3:22:33 GMT
With the film finally getting Netflix'd tomorrow, let's see where we all fall. Which performance do you prefer?
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 27, 2019 3:42:18 GMT
Well Pacino for me because well you know I love him and he's been great more than any other actor, ever (is this his 30th great performance? More?) and he drives the film forward too....... and yet on some level it actually pains me to break up the three performances in any way - each performance is dependent on the other two and impossible to conceive of without each.
I have seen the film twice and I can literally say that the acting of this film will be discussed forever and may be the films defining characteristic - it is very rare you see 3 performances not only of this caliber but that depends on and uses the other.....it may sound stupid but I literally thought about the band Cream watching them (not kidding) where when they solo each member is soloing individually like a virtuoso but never outshining or overshadowing the other two........it's just all of them being awesome at once.
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Post by Viced on Nov 27, 2019 6:22:24 GMT
First watch... Pacino.
Second watch... Pesci.
When the third watch happens... maybe back to Pacino.
Both brilliant, different performances that are essential to making the movie the absolute masterpiece that it is.
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 27, 2019 6:33:58 GMT
They are at the same level and for me it's not an easy thing to say  I vote for Al because when he enters the movie, he lifts it up and carries it until (almost) the end. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 27, 2019 19:09:15 GMT
Sasha Stone being very Sasha Stone-y and engaging in our poll .......um, although not literally (see below)......
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Post by chris3 on Nov 27, 2019 22:00:12 GMT
On first watch I'm going with Pesci because he was more of a surprise. I knew he was going to play against type with a calmer demeanor, but I wasn't expecting to love the characterization as much as I did. By the end I found it to be a tremendously intimidating portrayal. The way in which he so placidly doles out horrific orders to Frank gives him this terrifying aura of detached malice. I also love the scene where he tries to bribe affection from Peggy with the $50 bill. On the one hand he's kind of funnily affecting in a pathetic way, and yet his disappointment is felt so keenly in his eyes and I see a hint of real hate within them. It's wonderful work. Pacino is ALWAYS a blast. Personally he's my favorite overall actor out of the three so he was the one I was most excited to see. He's chewing the scenery in ways that feel similar to Nicholson in The Departed (I know that's a polarizing performance but I find it a joy to behold in its unhinged lunacy). I'll be honest, nothing Pacino did utterly blew me away. I think Pesci and De Niro are doing more interesting, impressive work. Pacino is having the most fun, though, and he's by far the most entertaining aspect of the whole film. That sounds like a backhanded compliment but a character like Hoffa needs to be loud and somewhat ridiculous, and Pacino dials it up to 11 in a way that feels maybe a little obvious but no less joyous to witness. I guess I wasn't blown away since I had higher expectations for him. His Hoffa also doesn't hold a candle to Roy Cohn in Angels in America, which to me remains his late-era masterpiece of a performance, whereas De Niro hasn't been this strong in arguably thirty years and of course we haven't seen Pesci in ages. So Pesci for me (for now). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 1:37:31 GMT
Pesci. I think he topped his performance in Raging Bull here, making this his best in my eyes. "I never wanted it to go that far."
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 28, 2019 3:29:46 GMT
Hoffa all day every day.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Nov 28, 2019 5:21:47 GMT
Both are really great and I won't be surprised in the slightest if both manage to make it come nomination time. Pacino is my pick, ultimately... but Pesci is not far behind at all.
The film overall is a ***-er. Really, really could have used some editing... but the story is good, the acting is top notch, it's really just the pacing and editing holding it back. Also on a very superficial note, the de-aging was really inconsistent. Doesn't take away much for me, but there were definitely some scenes where it looked like a Conan O'Brien bit when they'd have the mouths superimposed on the picture of a famous person. Again, it doesn't affect my rating, but it was sometimes unintentionally funny.
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Post by DeepArcher on Nov 28, 2019 6:25:52 GMT
Pacino. It's a fucking beast of a performance. Only one I like better this year so far is Dafoe in The Lighthouse. Pesci is fucking brilliant as well, but there is a stretch of the film where he kinda disappears as Hoffa takes center-stage -- and you don't really miss him, or at least I didn't.
Love that there isn't really a consensus on this though. And my preference could totally flip with a rewatch.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Nov 28, 2019 7:17:30 GMT
Right now, Al but it could change on a rewatch. Both are flawless.
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Post by Good God on Nov 28, 2019 8:18:28 GMT
Rewatched it on Netflix, and I've gained a new appreciation for Pesci. I can't really choose between them, so I'll say they're equally good.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 28, 2019 12:52:26 GMT
I pick Pesci who's my 2019 supporting winner.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2019 14:53:34 GMT
Pesci is utterly fantastic, but Pacino is a lightning bolt here and his delivery of the line "Nobody threatens Hoffa" is the high point of the film for me. |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Nov 28, 2019 22:40:23 GMT
This is tough, as I expect after ruminating a bit on the film and then updating my line-ups tomorrow, that my current winner Jamie Bell is going to be slipping down to third, but who is taking his crown...well, my immediate reaction is Pesci. I love a big parade, and Pacino gave me a fantastic one, but something about the quietly dangerous and charming, but sinister character Pesci drew just edges it. That breakfast scene with De Niro, perhaps my immediate highlight of the film, is probably my new favourite moment of Pesci's career.
They're both majestic, so who cares really.
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Post by notacrook on Nov 29, 2019 12:19:55 GMT
I was going back and forth a lot as well, but the more I think on it the more I prefer Pesci for his subtle intensity - a quietly terrifying performance. Pacino was mesmerising with his energy and command over a scene, and right now they're my top two for Supporting Actor.
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Post by JangoB on Nov 29, 2019 21:17:07 GMT
All right, this is very tough indeed and I do think that the best way to look at the main trio of the movie as one single three-headed beast but picking between these two I finally settled on Pesci. Pacino is absolutely incredible and is in many ways the heart of the film but there's just something about Pesci's turn that keeps hanging in there in my mind. His fatherly handling of Frank and at the same time the danger he exudes. The two bread-eating scenes, the fateful breakfast. Damn.
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Post by cheesecake on Nov 30, 2019 2:13:49 GMT
Al.
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 30, 2019 23:40:37 GMT
Pacino, but I wouldn't nominate any of the performances in a good year. For all of the acclaim, I actually found Pesci's performance his least memorable in a Scorsese film.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:24:29 GMT
I prefer Pacino in general, but here my choice is definitely Pesci - so cool, so terrifying.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 14, 2019 22:42:50 GMT
Pacino's march to AMARA gold starts here
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 15, 2019 0:14:39 GMT
Pesci, who’s also my personal win.
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 0:28:52 GMT
All right, Pesci's performance continues to grow on me while all I keep remembering from Pacino is the urgency with which he insists that it's his union. Gonna have to give Pesci the edge.
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