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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 25, 2019 16:17:13 GMT
I personally don't see a deeper connection between Roma (foreign)/Green Book (pretty good actually) and Irishman (not foreign)/Jojo (pretty bad actually) as an equivalent argument at all this year for the reasons I listed. "Pretty good" and "pretty bad" are entirely subjective and shouldn't factor into this conversation at all, though. Objectively speaking, the parallels between the two sets of films are very clear, so to say that last season's outcome can't possibly be reprised this time because one slice of anti-racism crowdplease is bad and the other good is, like Stephen said, allowing personal feelings to cloud the assessment of the race. You've spent the better part of two years ridiculing the Academy for choosing the bad, infantilizing fish-fucking movie with the obvious message over what you see as a towering 10/10 portrait of present-day America, so the suggestion that the same thing might happen again this year shouldn't feel so far-fetched. No, that's not the same thing either. The simple truth is well simpler - anybody could sit down and watch Green Book and get it (Shape of Water too)......it appears to me that a lot of people see Jojo and scratch their heads over it conceptually - I may be wrong but its box office suggests its depth of viewers is limited (at least right now) - these are not equivalent crowd pleasers at all in concept first of all. Now, I may ridicule the Academy for Shape of Water's win - but all "I may die if the PoS wins" jokes aside, I never really doubted its ability to actually/sadly/pathetically win because it was Del Toro - if anything I was literally terrified of it winning . But again, different director, different prestige, that goes with it and different competition (and 2 acting nods for SoW where Jojo likely may get 0). I'm not letting my personal feelings cloud my judgment on why I don't see Jojo winning ...........I just am not bending over backwards to create a stretching it to a "it has a chance!" comparison in a NGNG 2019 thread like I see you guys doing. Ymmv though that's what makes the thread fun.......
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Post by chris3 on Nov 25, 2019 16:57:12 GMT
I have seen 5 movies in the last 2 weeks at a theater showing JoJo and the crowds for it have been small for 2 weeks now and it isn't really playing like gangbusters to crowds that don't show up.........it's a message board movie imo, not a true crowd pleaser imo I saw it in Reno (what I've found to be a notoriously meat-and-potatoes city in terms of film audiences) only last weekend, almost a month after its debut, and the crowd was packed and it played EXTREMELY well. The audience was mostly adults around 30-60 and it seemed like everyone was having a raucous time (much more than the second film in my double feature, Knives Out, which I found to be far superior all around). Personally I went into Jojo Rabbit with low expectations and found it to be a hilarious, admittedly conventional but ultimately affecting trifle. It definitely wouldn't be my choice for BP (or a nom) but to me it's exactly the type of film that could end up winning in this day and age. Much worse films have (just) won the top prize.
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