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Post by stephen on Nov 22, 2019 3:11:00 GMT
Otherwise known as We Didn't Deserve Fred Rogers, And We Really Don't Deserve Tom Hanks.
Marielle Heller's latest film is the dictionary definition of heartwarming. It hits all the right beats, and I really love the conceit of framing the story as an episode of Mister Rogers's Neighborhood. Tom Hanks is obviously the main draw in his performance as the Nicest Man in the World, and it's the apotheosis of all the "nice guy" roles he's ever played and, of course, he absolutely nails it. He's not quite a dead ringer for Rogers physically, but the voice is hauntingly accurate and Hanks manages to exude the same sort of energy Rogers did to the point that you forget it's one of the most recognizable men in Hollywood and instead feel like you're seeing the cardigan'd man himself. But Matthew Rhys is also top-notch as the cynical Lloyd Vogel, the reporter assigned to write a puff piece on Rogers and who wants to see if he can unearth anything that might crack Rogers's facade. Rhys has to shoulder much of the film on his own, and he does an admirable job, and he and Hanks play off of each other so well.
The emotional resonance of this film is astounding. Anyone who saw Won't You Be My Neighbor? and remembers its final scene can only imagine how that might play out in this film, and it absolutely packs the punch you'd expect.
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Post by doddgerhardt on Nov 22, 2019 4:31:39 GMT
Think it will get nominated for best picture? Do you believe Hanks will finally get his first nomination in 20 years?
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Post by stephen on Nov 22, 2019 4:45:20 GMT
Think it will get nominated for best picture? Do you believe Hanks will finally get his first nomination in 20 years? Depends on its box office. It's got the heft of a crowdpleaser, but I'd be more confident in it if it made solid bank. As for Hanks, I just think the Academy's taken him for granted for so long that I'm at the point where I won't predict him until he does get in. But he deserves it over one of the presumed frontrunners in the category already.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 22, 2019 6:54:29 GMT
Think it will get nominated for best picture? Do you believe Hanks will finally get his first nomination in 20 years? Depends on its box office. It's got the heft of a crowdpleaser, but I'd be more confident in it if it made solid bank. As for Hanks, I just think the Academy's taken him for granted for so long that I'm at the point where I won't predict him until he does get in. But he deserves it over one of the presumed frontrunners in the category already.Pitt?
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Post by stephen on Nov 22, 2019 19:27:40 GMT
Depends on its box office. It's got the heft of a crowdpleaser, but I'd be more confident in it if it made solid bank. As for Hanks, I just think the Academy's taken him for granted for so long that I'm at the point where I won't predict him until he does get in. But he deserves it over one of the presumed frontrunners in the category already.Pitt? Pitt.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 23, 2019 16:03:14 GMT
This is either your warm fuzzy kind of thing or it's not - and when you identify with the angsty, thick-headed jerk causing an unnecessary and violent altercation like I did with Matthew Rhys here, it's probably not really my kind of thing. A movie that is actually not too different from one of those wholesome Ion channel holiday film specials it does however contain Tom Hanks' fascinating turn as Fred Rogers. A performance of tone and control not unlike Peter Sellers in Being There. This could easily be played as a gross comic caricature - but it is not a joke, Hanks shapes it early on within the constrictions of the role. When he tells the story of being mocked for his weight as a child with shading and nuance you see his keen actor mind working beyond any gimmickry (or mere mimicry). Otherwise though it's mostly formula stuff - "you hired me as an investigative reporter not to do puff pieces!" - Rhys says at one point but he isn't fooling anyone and people do like puff pieces for a reason too yanno..... ~6.5 / 10
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Post by erickeitel on Nov 25, 2019 3:02:59 GMT
It's Hanks's best work in years. He doesn't just nail the imitation; he embodies the philosophy of unconditional kindness exceptionally well. He acts a respectable Rhys right off the screen, though the screenplay is essentially written for him to do so.
Apart from that, it's familial yet comforting. An ideal movie to rewatch on a shitty day.
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Post by cheesecake on Nov 25, 2019 3:23:31 GMT
Super wholesome and enjoyable. Hanks really embodied the role and the film is strongest when he's on screen --- though Rhys is also very good.
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Post by countjohn on Nov 25, 2019 3:26:14 GMT
Hanks is great here and unlike some of his other surprise non-nods in recent years actually deserves one. The movie itself is alright and kind of loses steam in the middle when it focuses more on the writer and not Mr. Rogers. Still a good movie just because Hanks's performance is impressive enough, it's one of those movies where it's a vehicle for the lead. when you identify with the angsty, thick-headed jerk causing an unnecessary and violent altercation like I did with Matthew Rhys here, it's probably not really my kind of thing. When the writer would whine about how everything sucked I thought that that's exactly how I feel about the world now and I wish I could have a conversation with Fred Rogers to cheer me up. I really love the conceit of framing the story as an episode of Mister Rogers's Neighborhood. I wish they'd have just ended it when the episode ends and not done the backstage stuff at the end. Would have been perfect to open with the show opening and end it with him just leaving the set. One of the impressive things about Hanks is that he's managed to make me forget who he was during movies more often than any mega-star at his level that I can think of.
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Post by stephen on Nov 25, 2019 3:30:02 GMT
I really love the conceit of framing the story as an episode of Mister Rogers's Neighborhood. I wish they'd have just ended it when the episode ends and not done the backstage stuff at the end. Would have been perfect to open with the show opening and end it with him just leaving the set. I actually think it was genius that they didn't end with him leaving the set, but that the final shot was so poignant: he still has rage and demons inside of him, but he is expressing it alone and the only way he knows how. He's no living saint. He's just a man who makes the conscious decision to be good, and that is even more impressive and heartbreaking.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 14, 2019 22:13:09 GMT
This was really lovely. It's such a soft, quiet, low-key film, one that literally has a scene that's deliberately a full minute of silence, and that unique tone it strikes plays beautifully true to the real man that it's paying tribute to. There's not much to say about Tom Hanks than what's already been said -- there's no one else who could've played this role, and hell, there really wouldn't be a role without him to fill it out. You need an actor this perfect for the role to be Fred Rogers, and he fulfills it effortlessly. It's not only an accurate representation of the man, but he manages to do it without it seeming like a cheap imitation; Hanks isn't intent on being convincing to the point that the role is calculated, and in the end it's not "transformative" to the point that Hanks *blends into the role* ... you still see Hanks at all times, but it's sort of perfect, because there's something very comforting about Hanks being there in much the same way that it's always comforting to have Mr. Rogers there. And it's not a showy performance at all, but one that is internalized, compassionate, and tremendously beautiful.
Being a big fan of Matthew Rhys from his work on The Americans, which towers as one of the performances of the decade on TV or otherwise, it was really nice for me to see him finally get a leading film role, and he doesn't disappoint. It's a similarly subdued performance as Hanks, he doesn't really get any moments to chew up the screen but that's because that's not the type of movie it is, it's very toned-down, grounded, and plausible work that fits Heller's vision perfectly, even selling the more cheesy parts of the script. When Rhys and Hanks are on-screen together is when the film is at its best, their chemistry is undeniable and every beat of every conversation they have lands. (I also had no idea Chris Cooper was in this before seeing it, so, nice to see him still around!) The film is really able to land without overstating its message, and while there are a lot of standard and predictable elements to the script, there's also a fair amount of nuance to it that enhances the resonance of the film -- like everything else in the film, it's often very low-key, there's a lot that goes unsaid and it's often what's been unsaid that defines every conversation. And of course, the actors always sell it beautifully. Unfortunately, the film does start to feel a bit long by the end, the final thirty minutes or so could've been condensed and the dream sequences just felt out of place and didn't really work for me, either. Otherwise, it's a really fantastic film that testifies to the power of the connections we make, a story that's refreshingly optimistic and makes you feel like there's no emotional obstacle that can't be conquered.
This isn't as good as Can You Ever Forgive Me?, but still, Marielle Heller has really proved herself as a head above the rest in adapting real-life stories. The way she's able to bring a larger-than-life figure like Fred Rogers so down-to-earth like she does here is really remarkable, and it's that sort of special touch that we need to see more of in biopics.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 26, 2019 13:00:22 GMT
A lovely little movie. As someone who only properly learned about Mr. Rogers rather recently (I guess his well-known status is a US-thing only, isn't it?) I obviously didn't have the same emotional attachment to it the way other folks might have if they've been with the TV program for years but I must say that I find the idea of Mr. Rogers and his show very interesting and noble so there was an immediate connection to the film right from the start. I've seen little bits and pieces of the show on Youtube and from getting the gist of it I appreciate the presentation of the material here as if it were an episode of the show itself. Of course it's a specific story of a specific reporter but this 'show within a movie' device helps make the story seem more universal so that we all could feel like we could've been invited to join Rogers in conversation and maybe begun to heal some of our wounds because of it. Sometimes the movie might feel a little cheesy and predictable in its reverence towards Rogers but all in all it felt like a very human look at him to me. After all, from what I can gather the man was indeed as kind and open as the film portrays him. And an important point is that he's someone who just knows how to deal with his inner anger and works hard on himself that which is something that a lot of us today can learn from. Pitting him up against a bitter cynic may seem like a simple story device but I can't help but feel that it's also the right device for this character. By not making it a classical biopic and sticking two opposite worldviews in front of each other Heller creates a film that is definitely more than your general piece of cinematic adoration for a real-life popular figure, even if it is at times a bit maudlin. Rhys and Hanks anchor it very nicely and while I don't think this is Hanks's best in years like a lot of people have said (the man has been doing fantastic work consistently - it's just been highly underrated!), he is still a stellar cinematic equivalent to the ethos of Rogers himself. My main takeaway is that Heller keeps getting better with each new film, making me pretty excited to see what she's got next.
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Post by jimmalone on Dec 26, 2019 13:40:59 GMT
Always been very skeptical about this. I never heard about Fred Rogers before when this movie with Hanks was announced and the premise didn't really interest me. But looking at your reviews this seems like a working feel-good-movie, that might be worth checking out.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 26, 2019 20:39:15 GMT
I feel like people aren't talking enough about how bizarre and incredible it was for Heller to throw in so many surreal and postmodern flourishes on a film about Mr. Rogers. It's a movie in communication with the audience's own expectations of what a Mr. Rogers biopic is supposed to be (the kind of stodgy, workmanlike approach of say Saving Mr. Banks) before deciding to sidestep it entirely and go all-in on the emotional honesty of his philosophy using the same heightened reality he used on his show, all the way down to framing the film around the show itself. That should sound ridiculous, but it's somehow fantastic, a giant swing that hits true.
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Post by bob-coppola on Dec 28, 2019 11:14:45 GMT
A movie that's way more emotional than your usual biopic. Actually, I'd say "real-life based" is more accurate than biopic: the marvelous Marielle Heller is way more interested in exploring Mr. Rogers' philosophy of life applied to the real world than to show the life of the celebrated TV host.
ABDITN is a movie that captures very well the feel of Rogers' Neighbourhood (or at least how it's portrayed in Morgan Ville's beautiful doc), and embodies it - thus, giving the film an inventive, playful structure that works perfectly beyond the "shock" value. The way protagonist's (that's not Fred Rogers!) story is framed as a TV episode of the Neighbourhood allows Heller to experiment with more abstracts way of storytelling and emoting. She still blends it with traditional, well-made narrative, so the "trick" never gets old.
Rhys is very good in the main role, never feeling like a stereotype of a sad man. His performance balances Hanks' more enlightened Rogers (what a performance! Hanks had to go full-on Hanks to reach a new, refreshing peak), but both of them still feel grounded in the same universe.
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Post by AKenjiB on Jan 2, 2020 7:35:41 GMT
That was a lot more surreal than I thought it was gonna be. I was expecting more of a traditional Oscar-bait biopic but the unique style really worked for me. Rhys and Hanks are both really solid and the minute of silence sequence is one of my favorite scenes of the year.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 2, 2020 17:03:16 GMT
Not really a Fred Rogers biopic. Not at all actually. More of a Lloyd Vogel biopic (Matthew Rhys' character). But it was a very nice and heartwarming little movie. I didn't know who Fred Rogers was before I heard about the film but now that I've seen it, I feel I know quite a few about him!!
Hanks really deserves to grab a nod! He's in his comfort zone here, portraying a real life person and especially such a nice and gentle person. But he nails it. My only complaint, he was supposed to be a 70 yo man (if I'm not mistaken) and he looked 15-20 years younger than that!!
Rhys was also very good and interacted pretty well with Hanks. Watson and Cooper did a solid job.
Certainly not one of year's best but very decent. 7.5/10
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jan 5, 2020 12:27:21 GMT
A very charming insight into the world of child show host Fred Rogers and into the soul of an magazine author who told his story. The film works on two layers... first as a biopic but secondly and that is more the focus it handles about a man who needs to tidy up his inner world so he has a chance for a future without losing everything around. And he manages that with the help of good hearted Mr. Rogers. Tom Hanks brilliantly plays marvelous Mr. Rogers. It is truly one of his best performances in years and he is the most perfect choice to play that role. Regarded as the kindest and most hearted stars of of all Hollywood stars playing the known as most minded and good hearted hosts of all times. And still it was not Tom Hanks playing Fred Rogers, actually Tom Hanks was becoming Fred Rogers. Seeing a famous face and actor like Hanks totally losing himself in that role, forgetting his own famous mannerisms and transforming into this other famous person was just a brilliant thing to see. Hanks really deserves all the acclaim he gets for the role. But there was also Matthew Rhys, who sometimes was a bit one-sided, who still brought us an interesting character. Last but certainly not least Chris Cooper is back with a very good and absolutely memorable performance. A beautiful film indeed, some lengths, yes but it really captures the mood of the good world vs the trouble world and shows us the audience a way to merge those worlds.
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Best Actor in a Supporting Role: Tom Hanks Best Adapted Screenplay
Rating: 8/10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 6:50:54 GMT
Of all the mainstream 2019 films I would've guessed might potentially steer into surreal territory while primarily being about the pain of repressed feelings, A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood would not have been one of them. This was really good!
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 10, 2020 8:15:13 GMT
So I've seen it now, and I have to say that outside of the performances (Hanks and Cooper in particular) it felt average and lightweight. You know exactly where the story's headed from the outset which necessitates that the journey be compelling and convincing. The problem I had is that Lloyd Vogel's bored cynic isn't that interesting a character and his dad-shaped baggage is a cliche. That's not to say that this story doesn't ring true because it's based on a real person, but the straightforward and relentlessly sincere directing/screenplay (beyond the meta-gimmick of framing the story as a Mr. Rogers episode) undermines its capacity to surprise. I did actually cry twice but I chalk that up to the film's really effective interpersonal one-on-one moments (one between Rhys and Cooper and the other between Rhys and Hanks). These scenes in a vacuum made me cry but for most of the film I was pretty unengaged. I know this is my cynicism talking, but my movie-crammed brain could never get over the fact that strictly narratively speaking, this was a movie about a cynical (and IMO pretty boring) guy who meets a nice person and in turn learns how to be a nicer person, so in other words I've already seen it about a million times. 7/10 or thereabouts.
This is now the second disappointing film about Mr. Rogers in two years.
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Post by speeders on Jan 10, 2020 12:27:19 GMT
Having really liked 'Can You Ever Forgive Me?' last year, I was let down by this a lot. As a non-American who didn't know who Fred Rogers was until very recently, I don't think the film has any international appeal or relevancy at all, because it relied to much on nostalgia or respect for the man rather than building an interesting story around him. I do hope people (non-Americans in this case) connect with it, even though I didn't. I'm not the biggest Hanks fan at all but I did think this was a really lovely performance, something he might do in his sleep for sure, but it's done extremely well and managed to feel sincere when it could've been cloying. If this marks his first return to the Oscars in decades, then it will be deserved. I loved Matthew Rhys in The Americans but I found his character too uninteresting to connect with and I thought the "father abandoned me" plot has been done too many times and was not effective here at all and that's basically the crutch of the film. I just never felt the conflict of the story felt organic, it felt like they were desperately trying to. The surreal scenes is something that should've worked for me on paper but they were too gimmicky to really hit a mark. The whole movie is just a little too saccharine and limp for me. I admit I was sick when I watched it and want to give it a rewatch (along with Can You Ever Forgive Me, think that could be a great double bill) and I hope it will.
5.5-6/10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 21:26:26 GMT
The whole movie is just a little too saccharine Not trying to change your mind or anything, but the painful final scene with Rogers sitting by himself and playing the piano renders this a bizarre criticism, and a lot of the movie also is about trying to handle and process difficult feelings in a genuinely positive way, which will just about always come off as "saccharine" if you're looking at it cynically, which is, for the most part, still the cool/conformist thing to do these days.
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Post by stephen on Jan 10, 2020 21:27:42 GMT
The whole movie is just a little too saccharine Not trying to change your mind or anything, but the painful final scene with Rogers sitting by himself and playing the piano renders this a bizarre criticism, and a lot of the movie also is about trying to handle and process difficult feelings in a genuinely positive way, which will just about always come off as "saccharine" if you're looking at it cynically, which is, for the most part, still the cool/conformist thing to do these days. Yeah, I feel like if anything, the entire ethos of the movie is a rebuke of the overly saccharine image most of us have of Mr. Rogers.
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Post by speeders on Jan 11, 2020 2:30:56 GMT
The whole movie is just a little too saccharine Not trying to change your mind or anything, but the painful final scene with Rogers sitting by himself and playing the piano renders this a bizarre criticism, and a lot of the movie also is about trying to handle and process difficult feelings in a genuinely positive way, which will just about always come off as "saccharine" if you're looking at it cynically, which is, for the most part, still the cool/conformist thing to do these days. Certainly seems like you are, you're even telling me how to feel. There are definitely a lot of movies about find the positive similar subject matter that's not saccharine and it's naive to suggest otherwise. We are likely too used to American and Hollywood films in particular of this vain of being sentimental and manipulative -- that films like this might feel refreshingly raw and authentic but it failed to do that for me. I think the Mr. Rogers aspect of the film was probably as un-cloying as it possibly could've been. My main issues was with the development of Rhys' family life and how that tied with Mr. Rogers in, my opinion, a cheap and non-organic way. I certainly didn't think the final scene was painful at all (but that's just my interpretation of it) and even after rewatching it now, didn't cross my mind that that was the intention. Poignant sure but I don't see it as painful or heartbreaking. Most of these movies are made to get nominated for awards and calculated to tug at heartstrings and it seems naive to suggest otherwise. I think it's unfair to judge people who do not agree with you as being pre-judgemental and cynical. As well as saying that I want to rewatch the film and am open to reassessing it I don't think counts as a cynical viewpoint either. I think it's great this film spoke to and moved people, I can see why, but let's not invalidate different opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 5:02:35 GMT
Not trying to change your mind or anything, but the painful final scene with Rogers sitting by himself and playing the piano renders this a bizarre criticism, and a lot of the movie also is about trying to handle and process difficult feelings in a genuinely positive way, which will just about always come off as "saccharine" if you're looking at it cynically, which is, for the most part, still the cool/conformist thing to do these days. Certainly seems like you are, you're even telling me how to feel. There are definitely a lot of movies about find the positive similar subject matter that's not saccharine and it's naive to suggest otherwise. We are likely too used to American and Hollywood films in particular of this vain of being sentimental and manipulative -- that films like this might feel refreshingly raw and authentic but it failed to do that for me. I think the Mr. Rogers aspect of the film was probably as un-cloying as it possibly could've been. My main issues was with the development of Rhys' family life and how that tied with Mr. Rogers in, my opinion, a cheap and non-organic way. I certainly didn't think the final scene was painful at all (but that's just my interpretation of it) and even after rewatching it now, didn't cross my mind that that was the intention. Poignant sure but I don't see it as painful or heartbreaking. Most of these movies are made to get nominated for awards and calculated to tug at heartstrings and it seems naive to suggest otherwise. I think it's unfair to judge people who do not agree with you as being pre-judgemental and cynical. As well as saying that I want to rewatch the film and am open to reassessing it I don't think counts as a cynical viewpoint either. I think it's great this film spoke to and moved people, I can see why, but let's not invalidate different opinions. Not trying to invalidate your opinion, my man. The line about cynicism wasn’t meant to be taken as a personal insult, just a general observation. Of course you can dislike this movie to the core and be the least cynical person on the planet. As with anything like that. The outline with Rhys was definitely cartoonish and conventional, but if anything that fit pretty well with how the film is almost structured like a more weirdly personal episode of Rogers’ show. I don’t disagree that it wasn’t perfectly executed - that’s what holds the film back from hitting the mark of greatness, for me. But yeah.
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