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Post by spiderwort on Oct 7, 2019 21:04:26 GMT
Any time, place, or vocation. A few of my favorites: His Girl Friday (1940) - Rosalind Russell, reporter
The Miracle Worker (1962) - Anne Bancroft, teacher
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - Louise Fletcher, nurse
Places in the Heart (1983) - Sally Field, farmer
Silkwood (1983) - Meryl Streep, plutonium factory worker
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 7, 2019 21:10:42 GMT
I always thought Alice Doesn't Live Her Anymore was one of the best in this way because it showed where she had to work and because of where she had to work how she might be stuck there too - it was a very honest representation of that life and how that becomes your life too.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 7, 2019 21:25:33 GMT
Barbara Eden Marine Lieutenant Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea Edwige Fenech Teacher, also Doctor, Soldier, Policewoman, Judge, Engeneer, Professor etc.- And of course the typical ones: daughter, sister, mother, relative, housekeeper, model, princess, lady, nun, novice, clerk, socialite, heiress, prostitute, mistress etc.- Bette Davis Nanny Denise Richards Nuclear Physicist The World is not Enough
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 7, 2019 21:38:14 GMT
Some of my favorites.
Norma Rae - Sally Field helping the union. Working Girls (1986) - Just a recent pleasant surprise I discovered. Alice Adams - Katherine Hepburn trying to get up the ladder of success. Salt of The Earth - really fascinating, especially from a black-listed perspective. A Taste of Honey - British film about a teenage pregnant woman trying to survive. Mother is trying to get by, when she remarries.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 7, 2019 22:04:02 GMT
Bette Davis Denise Richards Nuclear Physicist The World is not Enough I'm not familiar with Edwige Fenech, but I certainly get your point. Quite impressive. And yes, that is so often true for the portrayals of women in so many films; we/I tend to forget that sometimes. And I haven't seen The World is Not Enough, but I love the idea of a female nuclear physicist.
And just wanted to add that in her long career, I think Bette Davis played so many working women, on a par with Rosalind Russell, Greer Garson, and others - often back in the day during the war when women had to work, but often just when they were driven to do so. And they did it so well.
Madam Curie Greer Carson
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 7, 2019 22:18:04 GMT
A left field one because here the work she does is the problem specifically House of Games, Lindsay Crouse as a psychiatrist and writer who runs the risk of losing her mind, her career, and her control over her identity by what she does for a living. In that film, one of 1987's best, her work keeps her removed - uninvolved, professional and at a distance - when she actually gets involved her job is somewhat revealed to be a lie.......or at least an artifice.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 7, 2019 22:46:52 GMT
Some of my favorites. Norma Rae - Sally Field helping the union. Working Girls (1986) - Just a recent pleasant surprise I discovered. Alice Adams - Katherine Hepburn trying to get up the ladder of success. Salt of The Earth - really fascinating, especially from a black-listed perspective. A Taste of Honey - British film about a teenage pregnant woman trying to survive. Mother is trying to get by, when she remarries. Oh, you've named some of my favorites, too - maybe all of them, actually, except for Working Girls, which I haven't seen. Norma Rae is a special favorite, based upon a true story that's really inspiring (and what a Sally Field performance!). Also really love A Taste of Honey; such a touching, beautiful performance by Rita Tushingham in that one. Haven't seen it in ages; I need to see it again.
And I can't believe you mentioned Salt of the Earth. Most people don't even know that one exists, but it's such an important story and film. I wish more people had seen it; wish more people would. Thanks for mentioning it.
And I also really enjoy Alice Adams; another lovely George Stevens endeavor with lovely performances by all (what Stevens film doesn't have that?)
Salt of The Earth as a movie I had the fortune of seeing a few years back at a film festival, as part of a blacklist type series. It's a unique film for the time, not just because of its funding origins, but also because it's a rare that focuses entirely on the factory workers themselves, as opposed to just a single worker. Tragic to know that the Mexican actress in it , Rosaura Revueltas, was blacklisted and deported because of her involvement in the film. Just shows how cruel the system was, and how some things never change.
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Post by Martin Stett on Oct 7, 2019 23:44:05 GMT
Both are primarily "cop" movies, but The Silence of the Lambs and Fargo are pretty excellent depictions. Clarice as the woman trying to make it in a man's field, constantly aware of her sex and her background. Marge as the woman who works hard at her job and does great work, but is defined by the marriage to the man she loves.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 8, 2019 0:23:57 GMT
Oh, you've named some of my favorites, too - maybe all of them, actually, except for Working Girls, which I haven't seen. Norma Rae is a special favorite, based upon a true story that's really inspiring (and what a Sally Field performance!). Also really love A Taste of Honey; such a touching, beautiful performance by Rita Tushingham in that one. Haven't seen it in ages; I need to see it again.
And I can't believe you mentioned Salt of the Earth. Most people don't even know that one exists, but it's such an important story and film. I wish more people had seen it; wish more people would. Thanks for mentioning it.
And I also really enjoy Alice Adams; another lovely George Stevens endeavor with lovely performances by all (what Stevens film doesn't have that?)
Salt of The Earth as a movie I had the fortune of seeing a few years back at a film festival, as part of a blacklist type series. It's a unique film for the time, not just because of its funding origins, but also because it's a rare that focuses entirely on the factory workers themselves, as opposed to just a single worker. Tragic to know that the Spanish actress in it ,Rosaura Revueltas, was blacklisted and deported because of her involvement in the film. Just shows how cruel the system was, and how some things never change. In fact she was Mexican, not Spanish.- And she lived a long life.-
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 8, 2019 0:52:04 GMT
Rachel Roberts Headteacher Picnic at Hanging Rock Lilli Palmer Teacher in Mädchen in Uniform
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 8, 2019 2:37:53 GMT
Salt of The Earth as a movie I had the fortune of seeing a few years back at a film festival, as part of a blacklist type series. It's a unique film for the time, not just because of its funding origins, but also because it's a rare that focuses entirely on the factory workers themselves, as opposed to just a single worker. Tragic to know that the Mexican actress in it , Rosaura Revueltas, was blacklisted and deported because of her involvement in the film. Just shows how cruel the system was, and how some things never change.
I envy you. I have never seen the film, only know well its historical significance as the only Blacklisted American film, and how making it ended the careers of several artists involved. Michael Wilson, the writer, like Dalton Trumbo and others, continued to write screenplays under the name of a "front." He had already won an Oscar for A Place in the Sun, which he received, but when he and Carl Foreman (also Blacklisted) wrote The Bridge on the River Kwai in 1957, novelist Pierre Boulle was their front and was awarded the Oscar that year. In 1984 Wilson and Foreman were finally awarded posthumous Oscars and their credits were added to the film.
I do hope one of these days I'll have a chance to see this one. When doing some recent research I learned that in 1992 it was selected for the National Film Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant." An appropriate, if ironic honor, to say the least.
EDIT: OMG! I just found a good copy on youtube!! The last time I looked it was a terrible one, which I could barely see. Can't thank you enough for reminding of this film, because I'll be sure to watch it now.
My pleasure. It's the kind of movie that deserves a clean-up or a better transfer really. The version I saw on the big screen was fine, but it could have looked a whole lot better. It's a historical film, and it should be treated as the important movie it is. It's a pretty engaging and interesting as an actual narrative feature, too.
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 8, 2019 4:47:29 GMT
Baby boom Adam's rib
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 8, 2019 7:10:06 GMT
A left field one because here the work she does is the problem specifically House of Games, Lindsay Crouse as a psychiatrist and writer who runs the risk of losing her mind, her career, and her control over her identity by what she does for a living. In that film, one of 1987's best, her work keeps her removed - uninvolved, professional and at a distance - when she actually gets involved her job is somewhat revealed to be a lie.......or at least an artifice. Yet another Mamet film I haven't seen, sorry to say. But the premise sounds wonderful, and I vow that if I ever get the chance I will watch this one. I presume this was when Crouse and Mamet were still married? Yes, and that's partly I think how he wrote her - in the film she is unmarried, as a writer and a psychiatrist she investigates others but not herself, makes judgments on them but never herself etc. - he was very much at his peak as a writer (screenwriter, playwright) then.
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Post by Longtallsally on Oct 8, 2019 7:27:23 GMT
Shelley Winters in A Place in the Sun
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Post by Longtallsally on Oct 8, 2019 7:32:06 GMT
Meryl Streep in the Devil Wears Prada
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Post by Longtallsally on Oct 8, 2019 7:35:57 GMT
Charlize Theron in North Country
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Post by demille on Oct 8, 2019 10:25:16 GMT
I find Laura (1944) an interesting film in this regard.
Another is Blue Gardenia (1953).
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Post by demille on Oct 8, 2019 11:11:01 GMT
Oh, I just thought of Smouldering Fires (1925), a portrait of a powerful modern business woman. Great performance by Pauline Frederick and impressive work by the great studio director, Clarence Brown, who treats the subject matter with respect and sensitivity.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 8, 2019 12:24:31 GMT
I guess when we are talking about working women, in fact are working women not associate typically with Films. Glamorous jobs just shouldn't count. I mean rulers, nurses, teachers, prostitutes, models, spies that are the typical films, fortune tellers, actresses, corists, singers, flower sellers, housekeepers, nannys. maids associate with women, and usually are glamorous just don't count.-
Even waitress and store clarke, doctors and journalist, depends the role and time. It's not the same a Journalist investigating Watergate, that a journalist as a pretext of a love interest.- I can admit that a Journalist in Rosalind Russell or Jean Arthur prime's in romantic commedies could be describe about working women, but this shouldn't be count in the 50s and 60s in the typical Doris Day movie or in a B movie monster one.-
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 8, 2019 15:35:51 GMT
Michelle Pfeiffer in:
Dangerous minds One fine day
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 8, 2019 15:49:21 GMT
Michelle Pfeiffer in: Dangerous minds One fine day
I wasn't particularly a fan of either of these films, but I do think Michelle Pfeiffer did a fine job in both, especially as the teacher in Dangerous Minds.
I don't think they are masterpieces either. That's why I said "Michelle Pfeiffer in..." 😉. In One fine day, she shows the issues of a working single mother, something quite common in real life.
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 8, 2019 16:38:49 GMT
Rachel Mc Adamns in Spotlight.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 8, 2019 17:24:47 GMT
I guess when we are talking about working women, in fact are working women not associate typically with Films. Glamorous jobs just shouldn't count. I mean rulers, nurses, teachers, prostitutes, models, spies that are the typical films, fortune tellers, actresses, corists, singers, flower sellers, housekeepers, nannys. maids associate with women, and usually are glamorous just don't count.- Even waitress and store clarke, doctors and journalist, depends the role and time. It's not the same a Journalist investigating Watergate, that a journalist as a pretext of a love interest.- I can admit that a Journalist in Rosalind Russell or Jean Arthur prime's in romantic commedies could be describe about working women, but this shouldn't be count in the 50s and 60s in the typical Doris Day movie or in a B movie monster one.- It's possible that I don't fully understand your argument, hugo, but I do think that glamorous jobs should count when appropriate - actresses, singers, even female rulers like Meryl Streep in The Iron Lady when they are serious workers striving for success. And I also believe that Doris Day actually was a prominent working woman in many films, including those with Rock Hudson where she played roles that were in direct competition with him in terms of work (Pillow Talk and Lover Come Back in particular). And although it's true that romance was almost always involved in her films, it doesn't diminish the fact that she was actually working in those films, and later was a teacher, or was running businesses of her own in several films, including Teacher's Pet and It Happened to Jane. And, of course, she was a serious working woman as a singer in films like Young Man with a Horn and Love Me or Leave Me.
Totally agree with you. I found her work in Pillow talk, an interesting view of women reinsertion at work in the 50s Society. I use Doris Day's movies as a type cast. Doris Day as the perfect Icon of the perfect Good Girl Next Door, instead of examinating her films.- I guess Natalie Wood in the Great Race is a much more perfect example. What exactly she is a photojournalist? a driver? a suffragette? or just the perfect excuse to include a sexy box office actress in a big budget buddy-driver commedy.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 8, 2019 18:32:34 GMT
And about this: I agree. But there's also a difference between a journalist as a pretext for a love interest and Sally Field playing a serious journalist in Absence of Malice. My point being that working women in films come in all kinds, and that their work, when not just a pretext for finding love, should be taken seriously, because all too often work for women is more difficult than it is for men.
The whole thing, is that from the begining of the cinema, certain proffesion are associated for women. Nun, prostitute, nurse, ruler (Queen, Princess, Mistress, First Lady), teacher, model, fashion designer, chorist, dancer, maid, hairdresser, housekeeper. There is nothing interesting about their character. Even when today is a little cliche (after Shampoo, Kramer Vs. Krammer etc) is far more interesting to see a movie about a male nurse (not the stupid Ben Stiller Parody in Meet the Fockers), that could be a great character examination.- But movie about femele nurses, has no point at all since at least the late 50s. Unless is based on true facts or in best seller, a stage play, or a auteur vision none cares about nurses, teachers as hard workers etc. And this is probably since the film invention. Audiences love their movies for the story plot, not for that kind of work. People learne since ages the story of Cinderella (The Maid), Beauty (teacher/nurse), The Sleeping Beauty (Princess) and the adulteress from the Bible (Wrongly mistaken with Mary Magdalene for more than a millenium).- Other are irrelevant if there is a man or a woman: shop clerk, waiter/waitress. And other use for love interest Journalist, Spy, soldier, sometimes even doctor. Today I guess (well more hope: Spotlight), is stupid to make a now at days movie, when all the journalist, doctors and even soldiers except one, are all men.- So I don't think, unlike the classic films, is relevant to examinate a character just for being a journalist, doctor, lawyer, judge just for being a woman.-
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Post by spiderwort on Oct 8, 2019 18:40:05 GMT
It's possible that I don't fully understand your argument, hugo, but I do think that glamorous jobs should count when appropriate - actresses, singers, even female rulers like Meryl Streep in The Iron Lady when they are serious workers striving for success. And I also believe that Doris Day actually was a prominent working woman in many films, including those with Rock Hudson where she played roles that were in direct competition with him in terms of work (Pillow Talk and Lover Come Back in particular). And although it's true that romance was almost always involved in her films, it doesn't diminish the fact that she was actually working in those films, and later was a teacher, or was running businesses of her own in several films, including Teacher's Pet and It Happened to Jane. And, of course, she was a serious working woman as a singer in films like Young Man with a Horn and Love Me or Leave Me.
Totally agree with you. I found her work in Pillow talk, an interesting view of women reinsertion at work in the 50s Society. I use Doris Day's movies as a type cast. Doris Day as the perfect Icon of the perfect Good Girl Next Door, instead of examinating her films.- I guess Natalie Wood in the Great Race is a much more perfect example. What exactly she is a photojournalist? a driver? a suffragette? or just the perfect excuse to include a sexy box office actress in a big budget buddy-driver commedy. Okay, now I understand what you're saying, I think. And I guess you could make a point about uncommon roles for women - like Natalie Wood in a film like THE GREAT RACE - in order to have a beautiful woman in the film with no real purpose. I don't remember her in that film - or that film in general - very well so I can't be sure. But I don't doubt that this has been done many times in the history of cinema. But personally I don't take those films seriously in terms of portraying any character very realistically; rather I think they are just vehicles for the plot. But that's me.
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