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Post by Viced on Sept 27, 2019 23:42:47 GMT
Edit: A slightly less rambly version of my thoughts from last night: It’s a masterpiece, folks. In the same vein as GoodFellas’ storytelling structure, but with much more room to breathe (which makes sense when you consider the runtime). Many brilliant scenes, some very intense moments, an insane amount of hilarious moments... and of course Scorsese directs the absolute hell out of it. Don’t know how much of the “toxic masculinity” talk is legit, but Sheeran, while being a bit of an enigma, is easily the most introspective Scorsese mob character. And the final 20 minutes or so are an aftermath we’ve never seen in a Scorsese crime film. And De Niro, Pacino, and Pesci are all absolutely brilliant. Whichever tweet said De Niro is internal and Pacino external was kind of right, but De Niro also has many funny, charismatic, and noticeably intense moments. Pacino, as you’d expect, nails all of the Hoffa speeches but also has rarely been this funny. And flawlessly portrays Hoffa’s desperation (or.. lack thereof). Pesci is nowhere near the “go fuck your mother mode” many are probably hoping for. He’s kind of the wise old man of the movie, while also being an ice cold mob boss. If he stays in retirement after this, it’s certainly one of the GOAT swan songs. Graham, Cannavale, and King Harvey Keitel are the only other cast members that really get a chance to shine... and they all bring it. Also didn’t feel the length at all... shout-out to Thelma the GOAT. And the cinematography is much better than the trailers made it look. Aaaand I almost forgot to mention the de-aging... because it truly slipped my mind. It, and De Niro’s blue eyes, may be alarming at first... but you quickly get used to it and it’s incredibly seamless. And the WWII scene is less than 30 seconds long. Might write more later and all this was very rambly and probably full of grammatical errors, but wanted to get all this down while it was fresh. 10 out of motherfucking 10 And btw; it’s pretty much called I Heard You Paint Houses... or that’s at the very least a very important alternate title.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 27, 2019 23:48:30 GMT
The only review I needed tbh.
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Post by Archie on Sept 27, 2019 23:55:12 GMT
I'm fucking hard.
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Post by stephen on Sept 28, 2019 0:01:09 GMT
I'm seeing a few people saying it takes a good half-hour to really get going. Would you agree with that?
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 28, 2019 0:08:16 GMT
Of course you went and saw it you legend ... awesome review and I’m glad it fulfilled your expectations. Absolutely cannot wait.
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Post by Viced on Sept 28, 2019 0:40:01 GMT
I'm seeing a few people saying it takes a good half-hour to really get going. Would you agree with that? “Really” is the opportune word there. It’s great from the start, but Hoffa doesn’t show up until 30-45 minutes in... and that’s when it kicks into high gear. Btw, there’s a cameo here that should make you very happy.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 28, 2019 1:05:31 GMT
Great write-up, not that I wasn’t already pumped but this is great to hear.
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Post by quetee on Sept 28, 2019 2:12:56 GMT
Lucky you. Im glad it didnt disappoint.
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Post by Drish on Sept 28, 2019 2:16:39 GMT
Yay! That length had me worrying but I'm glad it's getting great reviews. Dying to see it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 2:49:06 GMT
Glad it lived up to the hype for you man. Not sure how much we align on what Scorsese's best films are but I am curious where it'd rank for you in his body of work.
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Post by doddgerhardt on Sept 28, 2019 20:56:41 GMT
The length has been brought up in some reviews, but few have said its a problem and it’s about an hour longer than Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Aside from the Netflix thing, if this does well enough it could be just the movie Academy is looking to recognize. I mean an expensive studio movie with a large cast and well known director gets raves reviews. Hell even the CGI thing could appeal to older voters as it could create a pattern of seeing older actors playing younger characters.
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Sept 29, 2019 1:40:20 GMT
All the delays, increasing budget, and talk of CGI was kind of alarming throughout its production, but then all the stellar reviews, not to mention all the names involved in front of and behind the camera, is enough to make one feel like a complete dunce for ever doubting it. I don't want to jump the gun and just assume I'm going to love it this much as well but I'm totally assuming I'm going to love it this much as well.
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 14, 2019 20:31:34 GMT
8.5/10
To quote from Julius Caesar-- "There is a tide in the affairs of men. Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life Is bound in shallows and in miseries.”
That play echoes some of The Irishman, they share quite a lot of themes, most of all loyalty. No reviews have mentioned the parallels, but Scorsese knew it - don’t miss the name of the street written on De Niro’s hand at one point. Et tu?
This is a story about a man who cannot recognize his own corruption. It’s about the truth and tragedy of America, ruled by a violent code even its heroes are not exempt from. And poignantly, especially from Scorsese now, it’s about the passing of time. Time that has already passed, and time that makes power, once imposing and far-reaching, look little. It’s a really, really great movie, and a surprisingly hilarious and enjoyable one.
Pacino’s Hoffa, to me the highlight of the movie, is a man driven by the right to his own importance and undone by a juvenile stubbornness. Ice cream will be had! Pacino plays the outsized ego with a captivating and rollicking promptness, there’s a sweetness to him too - he’s both smarter and dumber than we think. It’s the funniest and most quotable role in the movie. His two tete-a-tetes with Stephen Graham might be my favorite scenes. The fact that he filmed this a couple weeks after wrapping Paterno - probably his most old-man-feeble type performance - is wildly impressive.
De Niro’s obedient, stammering hit-man is one of his late-career best performances, even if on the page he’s less detailed or vividly constructed than Hoffa, I don't know if we've seen this stuck dumb-dog quality from De Niro before? Pesci at his most understated is also quite good - though the aces are De Niro/Pacino - there's a poised wise simplicity to him like that of a guru, my fave scene from him is probably his last scene.
Loved it…. yet I don’t think it’s a masterpiece. If you could call it a flaw, I think it’s sort of too light-toned throughout, even some of the later scenes - the gut-punch didn't find me. While a very seamless 3.5 hours, I would’ve liked it to be even longer. So, too enjoyable and not long enough? I'm tough to please! It’s definitely what I’d call essential cinema.
Last thing, Scorsese just the other day spoke about picking a new project to do with De Niro, he said they were: “Looking for something to enrich, more or less, where we had gone in the 70s and 80s and early 90s.” And to that end, this is a triumph.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Nov 7, 2019 3:12:21 GMT
I'm seeing both this and Godfather II (my #1 of all time) for the first time on the big screen next week. Psyched out of my mind.
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Post by eyebrowmorroco on Nov 8, 2019 16:41:07 GMT
Rank the performances...
Pesci Pacino De Niro Graham Romano
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 8, 2019 22:24:59 GMT
10/10
I'm sure I'll write more but frankly stunned - an awesome, towering criss-cross of American history, politics, crime and all the while a stinging damnation of mobster movies and mobster audiences.
Acting is impeccable and not just the big 3 (stunning, all of them) but Cannavale (Take the f'n bus! Maybe his Mom can come pick him up!) and Graham are dynamite.
Obliterates anything I've seen so far in 2019, best American film of the decade level stuff....rueful and unsparing. Not sure what else to say right now tbh, a little speechless.....
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Nov 9, 2019 0:43:38 GMT
"WHY IS THIS NOT ON MY NETFLIX?!"
...Coming November 27th.
"BAH!"
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Post by wonky on Nov 12, 2019 19:06:59 GMT
The Frank Sheeran appreciation night, lifetime achievement, whatever sequence...all-timer.
I hate saying that kind of shit but pretty sure it deserves that. I loved this movie but that thing in particular felt in league with the most confidently directed, written, acted, edited stretches of cinema I've seen. The fact that it is DeNiro, Pacino, and Pesci being paired off with those three lengthy conversations and intermittently Marty and Thelma doing their thing with the music and the dancing and everything, it just screamed instant classic movie scene to me. Yeah it's familiar and playing on my feelings in that way but I'm giving it up for the real deal, aesthetically, dramatically, emotionally. "It's what it is."
I have no idea how long that lasted in the film, could have been 10 minutes or 45 but somewhere in there I just started feeling really excited to be watching that in a brand new movie in a movie theater in 2019. I don't think it's hyperbole...trying my best to restrain myself.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 12, 2019 19:51:40 GMT
The Frank Sheeran appreciation night, lifetime achievement, whatever sequence. There is a section of this film where several classic scenes come one after another and that are so assured it's almost breathtaking - within the appreciation night also, there are multiple small and specific sequences within it that are knockouts themselves, some like the dance are even wordless. Rarely do you ever see a great film - and The Irishman is a very great film - where the scenes are not dependent on plot - that ebb and flow just like your memory does - one of the most haunting, specific scenes is Frank recounts why soldiers would dig their own graves.....and then Frank well digs his own grave. - but you may not think of it even because so much emotional info is being communicated to you. All kind of points get conveyed with big scenes, small scenes, with silences and looks, how they overlap and rush in and recede.
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 13, 2019 0:43:05 GMT
Few notes on cast members -
Two not listed on IMDb, Vinny Vella known for the Casino wiretap scene ("I didn't curse! I said frickin...") has a bit part in the early meat-packing scenes and has passed away since filming his role...... and the underrated Marin Ireland plays one of Sheeran's daughters, she has one scene and she's quite good.
Bo Dietl - his 4th time working with Scorsese, used to be a detective - Bad Lieutenant was partly based on his nun investigation - and actually ran for NYC mayor a few years ago. He has two memorable scenes (watermelons and the Turkish bath).
and this one made me laugh, Dustin Hoffman's son Jake Hoffman plays Allen Dorfman one of the guys around the pension fund.
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 14, 2019 17:23:58 GMT
It's getting released in my country a week prior to the original date. Meaning tommorow!!! I have already booked to see it on Saturday.
Hyped as hell!! I've been waiting for this movie for 10 years.
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Post by bob-coppola on Nov 15, 2019 2:43:00 GMT
Just saw it. Not gonna try to write a long review right now because there's a lot to sink in yet. But I'm gonna say this one thing: it's a fucking masterpiece. It shares the same DNA as Goodfellas and cia, but it's far from a rehash, it's its own beast and has its own tone. The Irishman is probably the most reflexive, serene gangster movie since Road to Perdition. De Niro surprises as a mobster who, despite being a serious, stoic man, shows a lot of sensibility, heartbreak and I'd even dare to say "heart of gold". There's a lot of weight to his acting work here. His chemistry with Pacino is the grand foundation of this whole tragedy in the making. And Pacino... Jesus Christ, this man is a beast. Pacino as Jimmy Hoffa is the one performance that made me say the word "stan" out loud. He's electric. It has great editing, the pacing is exactly what it needs to be. It's 3 hours and half long, and I'm not gonna say it "flew by". It didn't and I didn't want it to. It's a long, years-long story, and it's super detailed, and it feels like it. Good. It should be. Scorsese feels completely in control of the storytelling here. Also, the deaging effects are completely seamless, in a way that it shouldn't even be a talking point. It looked weird on the still photos, but as I can't really recall exactly what those guys look like today ( ), much of it looked incredibly natural to me on the movie. 10/10
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 15, 2019 14:31:02 GMT
In my humble opinion,I think it may be best film of 2019! What a remarkable achievement! 💪💞
This movie is an absolute masterclass in direction and acting. Martin Scorsese, as one of the most important and influential modern directors, has blessed our screens with some of the greatest films ever made. In The Irishman, the master has perfected his craft and provided the audience with a picture exemplifying the culmination of at least 50 years of experience in filmmaking. This is without a doubt one of his most impressive cinematic achievements. I'm pretty sure that in time it will be recognized as one of the most important films of the 21st century . Absolutely stunning and haunting. The movie may be long, but it does not mean that it's boring. Quite the opposite actually. If Scorsese doesn't receive the Oscar for Best Director for this picture, then I will be extremely disappointed in the Academy.
Bravo maestro! 🙏💞
9.5/10
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 17, 2019 15:14:17 GMT
Just when the end credits started rolling, I said this was a solid 8-8.5/10. But I jut can't get the movie out of my head and the more I think of it, the more I believe it's a 9-9.5. It contains many truly memorable scenes and quotes, it's funny like hell and imo, the last one hour and a half (since Hoffa starts having trouble with the mob) is riveting!! It's a great film, a masterpiece even. The best I've seen of Marty since Goodfellas (and probably his second best after Goodfellas). The key points of the movie were clear: Remorse for the decisions one makes in his lifetime, loneliness and mortality. In the end, Frank was left alone to die, all of his former colleagues and friends were dead or killed long ago (very clever trick with the death cards). He had four kids and not even one of them thought to visit him in the elderly house... And yet, what he regretted the most was not killing his best friend but making that phone call in his wife... Other than that, it had the vibes of Goodfellas, which of course is a big plus. It's not a perfect 10 for me, only because I wanted it to be a bit more sharp. More fast paced. So imo it could be half an hour shorter. It wasn't boring but it was slow paced at times. Kudos to the GOAT Thelma for her editing (and upcoming Oscar). She did exactly what film makers usually avoid: Flashbacks inside flashbacks inside flashbacks!!! And between all those, some random pop-up scenes! And she did a fantastic job!!! As for the cgi, it went totally unnoticed. What distracted me the most was De Niro's blue eyes. VFX on Pesci and Pacino was just perfect! When Pacino enters the scene, he lifts the whole film, De Niro owns the last 30-40 minutes and Pesci... Well, if he doesn't get nominated it will be a real snub. Low key performance but you can feel this guy is really dangerous. You feel it even if he's not in the scene! Graham (the only other big role except from the known three) is fantastic and his interaction with Pacino just a pleasure to watch. Oh, and that appreciation night... Maybe the best written, directed and acted scene in Scorsese's filmography!!!
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 17, 2019 15:38:31 GMT
Just when the end credits started rolling, I said this was a solid 8-8.5/10. But I jut can't get the movie out of my head and the more I think of it, the more I believe it's a 9-9.5. It contains many truly memorable scenes and quotes, it's funny like hell and imo, the last one hour and a half (since Hoffa starts having trouble with the mob) is riveting!! I'm trying not to say too much until people get a chance to see it for themselves - but yeah, terry this is totally on target - to me it's 1/3 Goodfellas, 1/3 (a better actually) JFK, and 1/3 something European in particular the ending of Manon of the Spring where Yves Montand brings flowers to the cemetery, poignantly carnations - it's has that kind of emotional wallop It's just too overwhelmingly great for me to shave any points off at all for some very minor flaws...... I've only seen it once and it's clearly going to get better on re-watches too. Better...........the mind boggles..........
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