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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 21, 2019 18:55:02 GMT
Talk about a movie if you change one thing it changes the quality of an entire film. It would been a perfectly fine well acted movie if we would have won but the fact that he not only loses but doesn’t care to even hear the decision (nor does the movie really) is an absolute stroke of genius. I’ve heard people call it predictable but I feel that’s just because everybody knows the ending already and take it for granted.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 21, 2019 19:03:19 GMT
It's a movie of its time which is key too - post-Watergate 70s.......almost none of the 70s classics and that is from the very top tier on down end "happy" - for me personally many of my favorite films are from the 70s and if you looked at them just from an ending angle, I'm quite sure they'd look almost sociopath like I think for younger viewers that ending might leave them asking wtf - but its genius is in linking the character to the audience to the pervasive mood of the country. There's very few sports movies set up like this and that have that quality, maybe something like Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner but I'm stretching it......
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Post by JangoB on Sept 21, 2019 19:23:25 GMT
It's just wonderful, isn't it? Its impact on American cinema of the time is undeniable with people so accustomed to downers that they forgot that they actually liked happy endings and this movie being the great big reminder of that.
But even aside from that, it's just fantastic on all fronts. I've always loved "Rocky" for very successfully combining the gritty 70s realism with an emotional, fable-like inner sensibility, and that ending is a perfect example of this idea. I'm usually not a big fan of freeze frames as final shots of movies but this is a case where it works perfectly. I know they were planning to have an additional scene afterwards with Rocky and Adrian walking away together (the image we see on the poster) but eventually decided to end it on the freeze frame. Good on them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 2:30:01 GMT
It's a film about dignity and the ending perfectly conveys this. I'm not a huge fan of Rocky overall but I appreciate parts of what it's doing.
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Post by countjohn on Sept 22, 2019 5:58:02 GMT
I haven't heard people say it was predictable but I don't understand that either. I can't remember ever watching it not knowing how it ended but watching it for the first time going in blind I would have been assuming the whole way through that it would be your typical underdog sports movie where the main character does the impossible and wins. The movie really should have had no sequels. Rocky saying "don't want one" right when Apollo tells him he won't give him a rematch is such a powerful moment and I like the idea of hi quitting boxing and just having a nice quiet life with Adrian afterward. But it unexpectedly became one of the highest grossing movies of all time up to that point so like today they had to milk that cash cow. I'm usually not a big fan of freeze frames as final shots of movies but this is a case where it works perfectly. I know they were planning to have an additional scene afterwards with Rocky and Adrian walking away together (the image we see on the poster) but eventually decided to end it on the freeze frame. Good on them. Agree, that's a great final shot and I usually hate freeze frames too.
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 22, 2019 7:51:35 GMT
I'm sorry but literally anytime a question is worded this way this is the only thing I can think of
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 22, 2019 8:10:54 GMT
I haven't heard people say it was predictable but I don't understand that either. I can't remember ever watching it not knowing how it ended but watching it for the first time going in blind I would have been assuming the whole way through that it would be your typical underdog sports movie where the main character does the impossible and wins. The movie really should have had no sequels. Rocky saying "don't want one" right when Apollo tells him he won't give him a rematch is such a powerful moment and I like the idea of hi quitting boxing and just having a nice quiet life with Adrian afterward. But it unexpectedly became one of the highest grossing movies of all time up to that point so like today they had to milk that cash cow. I'm usually not a big fan of freeze frames as final shots of movies but this is a case where it works perfectly. I know they were planning to have an additional scene afterwards with Rocky and Adrian walking away together (the image we see on the poster) but eventually decided to end it on the freeze frame. Good on them. Agree, that's a great final shot and I usually hate freeze frames too. It’s actually called predictable in its Rotten Tomatoes critics consensus.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 22, 2019 9:42:51 GMT
The movie really should have had no sequels. Rocky saying "don't want one" right when Apollo tells him he won't give him a rematch is such a powerful moment and I like the idea of hi quitting boxing and just having a nice quiet life with Adrian afterward. But it unexpectedly became one of the highest grossing movies of all time up to that point so like today they had to milk that cash cow. In fact, the second film starts to slip when they go into standard sequel territory - the beginning of Rocky II is kind of brilliant showing the difference between winning and losing that fight and the attention being all on you to once again being anonymous which before just felt normal but now feels cruel - that actually would be a great sequel with no rematch at all. The scene in Rocky II where he asks Adrian to marry him at the zoo is one of the sweetest (and most romantic) scenes in film......
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 22, 2019 13:44:26 GMT
Never thought the ending was predictable.
Of course, when I first watched it I was a little kid so I naturally expected Rocky to win.
But imo it was a perfect ending to a near-perfect film.
It's kind of a shame how Stallone and the producers milked the cow with 7 Rocky sequels and "damaged" what could have been a great Rocky legacy (if they had only made the first film, maybe one sequel tops).
That's my thought exactly about Rambo. The first one was a really fine movie. An action flick but not only that, actually much more than that. Afterwards, they had Rambo depicted as a killing machine, lots of deaths and bloodbaths etc.
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