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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 10, 2019 21:29:34 GMT
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 10, 2019 21:32:57 GMT
Leo says hello...
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Post by wallsofjericho on Sept 10, 2019 21:40:49 GMT
I'm going to say yes. He's got an unpredictability to him where you don't know where's going to go which is something the other actors of his generation don't have and that's exciting. Intensity does play an integral part of his talent but it never feels like he repeats himself, The Master still feels different to a Im Not Really Here and it never feels like his imitating anyone. But then he can suprise you with something like Her which is a complete 180.
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Post by stephen on Sept 10, 2019 21:50:31 GMT
Yes, and by quite some distance in my estimation. I'd only really put Tom Hardy in his company in terms of raw talent and versatility.
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Post by Good God on Sept 10, 2019 21:56:17 GMT
Leonardo DiCaprio, to me, is the best actor of their generation. He's got the peaks, the consistency, and the depth of work. Joaquin Phoenix has got the peaks, but I don't think he's as consistent or has as much great work as DiCaprio does. In different terms, DiCaprio also has a way greater range. Phoenix can be great in a more limited range of roles. Outside of those, he can be good and interesting, but doesn't approach the same heights.
With that said, I think they're the two best actors of their generation and are my favorite sub-50 actors. Really excited to see both their careers going forward, as I feel like they're both peaking right now.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 10, 2019 22:04:27 GMT
Well you know what they say pal, if you want to hear pacinoyes babble ...............ask him about acting  I think he is and arguably with PSH the two best American actors since the 1970s class, the only two I rank with those guys. The specific thing about Phoenix that I'm looking forward to seeing is his control as the Joker - in his best performances he shows amazing discipline and usually that much discipline makes you seem dull........in his case it doesn't at all (Two Lovers is one great example) .......you'd think as Joker "control" wouldn't be needed but it seems to me from the clips it very much is and that discipline rather than being boring adds dimension and arc to his work. He is one of the very few actors to use that quality that overtly - not that other actors don't have it, they do - but Phoenix incorporates it as a technique. He constantly seems on the verge of becoming unhinged or breaking down and often does not, and you notice the things he does in the moments while you are waiting ..................and while waiting you think of him, worry about him, feel for him, are intimate or protective of him. The audience feels involved in a lot of his best work and that's what all great actors strive for.......it's a great trick and he's carved out a lot of his own territory with it. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 10, 2019 22:06:21 GMT
I call that a maybe. I do think Leo in WOWS > Phoenix in The Master. That being said, Christian Bale in The Fighter > Phoenix too. But I think if you were to ask me overall, Phoenix might have both of those's numbers..... but maybe slightly. Not sure who I consider the best actor of this generation though........I'm more partial to the Oldman/Depp/Norton generation in general.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 10, 2019 22:16:03 GMT
His generation can be a little tricky to define, depending if you go from when they breakthrough or when they were born...you can put a lot of names on that "generation". To me, he's the best Hollywood actor born during the 70's.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 10, 2019 22:50:50 GMT
No. That title goes to Malin Akerman.
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 10, 2019 23:13:27 GMT
Is a very versatil one. I don't know if he is the best. But he excell in almost everything. He started since childhood and this is double remarkable.-
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 11, 2019 2:46:32 GMT
He’s one of the best actors to ever grace our screens. Period.
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Post by Javi on Sept 11, 2019 3:56:30 GMT
If Bardem is part of his generation, nope.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 11, 2019 4:35:52 GMT
If Bardem is part of his generation, nope.  |
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 11, 2019 5:06:39 GMT
It's peculiar how some of the guys who could have been the best actors of the same generation died young (River Phoenix, Heat Ledger, Philip Seymour Hoffman).
I never liked him much tbh. Just a surface reaction to his appearance I think, maybe it's because I always feel he has greasy hair or something, but I never enjoyed seeing him onscreen. Not saying his acting abilities aren't good, it's just someone who doesn't vibe well with me.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 11, 2019 5:21:37 GMT
Maybe the best film actor of his generation. You need that caveat for any actor who does not do stage. Some fans might not give a shit, but actual actors recognise that there is a difference. Having said that, in the I think it's fairly close between his generation of film actors. I wasn't sold on Leonardo DiCaprio in the first half of his career (he could be good, then just as often, not so good). But age has started to bring him consistency, and while he almost never does subtle turns, his mastery of screen acting has become impressive. Christian Bale may be the most technically skilled film actor of his generation. But he can leave some people cold at times, wheras DiCaprio has that film star charisma that brings audiences with him. Phoenix is intense and commanding, but I'm not sure I've ever bought him as normal, well adjusted human being. His real life weirdness bleeds into his characters.It 's what makes him striking to watch, but it's also a fairly major weakness. stephen may disagree (as I've always rated this guy far above the very watchable/talented but derivative and overly fussy Tom Hardy. A Brando tribute act at times), and he doesn't get hyped by fanboys to the extent of Phoneix/Leo/Bale who have all had more than a decade headstart over him in building their careers and carving out fan base loyalties ....but I think James McAvoy arguably has a terrific case to be the best actor of that generation over all of them, with no caveats involved. A legitimately great stage actor, who has played acclaimed versions of Macbeth on stage (and will be doing Cyrano De Bergerac on stage next year). To my mind, McAvoy is just as good a film actor as all of them, and has the fewest weaknesses. And is building a resume as a stage great. His range is phenomenal. He can play sweet ( Starter For 10, The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe), unhinged split personality psychotics ( Split), conventional leading men ( Atonement) anti-heros ( Filth), gravitas ( X-Men). I buy him as weirdos and normal guys. The way he effortlessly stole Glass from two of our most charismatic movies stars in Samuel L Jackson and Bruce Willis was impressive. I genuinely believe McAvoy is on course to be considered one of the greatest British actors ever. I think McAvoy hasn't been around as long as the others to gain their tribal type of online fanbases, but I think he'll be getting all the best actor In the world chit-chat and accolades within the the next 15 years, if his stage and screen trajectory stays on the course it is. He's his generations Anthony Hopkins, and potentially better. McAvoy could easily do Joker, but he could just as effectively do the super-regular Mr Nice Guy schtick of Tom Hanks. I don't think I could honestly say that about any of the guys in his generation who currently get much more hype than him. He probably needs to start doing more regular Oscarbaiting to gain more traction in the conversation though. He's one of those guys that does a lot of his best work in genre projects. He's easily got Oscars in him if he goes that route. I feel good about being an early adopter for McAvoy though, and it will be interesting to see when everybody starts finally hopping aboard his hype train, as if he hasn't always been great. |
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 11, 2019 16:26:44 GMT
Maybe the best film actor of his generation. You need that caveat for any actor who does not do stage. Some fans might not give a shit, but actual actors recognise that there is a difference. Having said that, in the I think it's fairly close between his generation of film actors. I wasn't sold on Leonardo DiCaprio in the first half of his career (he could be good, then just as often, not so good). But age has started to bring him consistency, and while he almost never does subtle turns, his mastery of screen acting has become impressive. Christian Bale may be the most technically skilled film actor of his generation. But he can leave some people cold at times, wheras DiCaprio has that film star charisma that brings audiences with him. Phoenix is intense and commanding, but I'm not sure I've ever bought him as normal, well adjusted human being. His real life weirdness bleeds into his characters.It 's what makes him striking to watch, but it's also a fairly major weakness. stephen may disagree (as I've always rated this guy far above the very watchable/talented but derivative and overly fussy Tom Hardy. A Brando tribute act at times), and he doesn't get hyped by fanboys to the extent of Phoneix/Leo/Bale who have all had more than a decade headstart over him in building their careers and carving out fan base loyalties ....but I think James McAvoy arguably has a terrific case to be the best actor of that generation over all of them, with no caveats involved. A legitimately great stage actor, who has played acclaimed versions of Macbeth on stage (and will be doing Cyrano De Bergerac on stage next year). To my mind, McAvoy is just as good a film actor as all of them, and has the fewest weaknesses. And is building a resume as a stage great. His range is phenomenal. He can play sweet ( Starter For 10, The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe), unhinged split personality psychotics ( Split), conventional leading men ( Atonement) anti-heros ( Filth), gravitas ( X-Men). I buy him as weirdos and normal guys. The way he effortlessly stole Glass from two of our most charismatic movies stars in Samuel L Jackson and Bruce Willis was impressive. I genuinely believe McAvoy is on course to be considered one of the greatest British actors ever. I think McAvoy hasn't been around as long as the others to gain their tribal type of online fanbases, but I think he'll be getting all the best actor In the world chit-chat and accolades within the the next 15 years, if his stage and screen trajectory stays on the course it is. He's his generations Anthony Hopkins, and potentially better. McAvoy could easily do Joker, but he could just as effectively do the super-regular Mr Nice Guy schtick of Tom Hanks. I don't think I could honestly say that about any of the guys in his generation who currently get much more hype than him. He probably needs to start doing more regular Oscarbaiting to gain more traction in the conversation though. He's one of those guys that does a lot of his best work in genre projects. He's easily got Oscars in him if he goes that route. I feel good about being an early adopter for McAvoy though, and it will be interesting to see when everybody starts finally hopping aboard his hype train, as if he hasn't always been great. McAvoy had the childish appareance that Academy don't like. Beside that his movies choice sometimes are akward. Yep he could be the next Anthony Hopkins, but he could also end as the next John Cussack/Tobey Maguirre (more probably). He is the typical nice boy of the working class. |
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Post by morton on Sept 11, 2019 19:04:31 GMT
Maybe the best film actor of his generation. You need that caveat for any actor who does not do stage. Some fans might not give a shit, but actual actors recognise that there is a difference. Having said that, in the I think it's fairly close between his generation of film actors. I wasn't sold on Leonardo DiCaprio in the first half of his career (he could be good, then just as often, not so good). But age has started to bring him consistency, and while he almost never does subtle turns, his mastery of screen acting has become impressive. Christian Bale may be the most technically skilled film actor of his generation. But he can leave some people cold at times, wheras DiCaprio has that film star charisma that brings audiences with him. Phoenix is intense and commanding, but I'm not sure I've ever bought him as normal, well adjusted human being. His real life weirdness bleeds into his characters.It 's what makes him striking to watch, but it's also a fairly major weakness. stephen may disagree (as I've always rated this guy far above the very watchable/talented but derivative and overly fussy Tom Hardy. A Brando tribute act at times), and he doesn't get hyped by fanboys to the extent of Phoneix/Leo/Bale who have all had more than a decade headstart over him in building their careers and carving out fan base loyalties ....but I think James McAvoy arguably has a terrific case to be the best actor of that generation over all of them, with no caveats involved. A legitimately great stage actor, who has played acclaimed versions of Macbeth on stage (and will be doing Cyrano De Bergerac on stage next year). To my mind, McAvoy is just as good a film actor as all of them, and has the fewest weaknesses. And is building a resume as a stage great. His range is phenomenal. He can play sweet ( Starter For 10, The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe), unhinged split personality psychotics ( Split), conventional leading men ( Atonement) anti-heros ( Filth), gravitas ( X-Men). I buy him as weirdos and normal guys. The way he effortlessly stole Glass from two of our most charismatic movies stars in Samuel L Jackson and Bruce Willis was impressive. I genuinely believe McAvoy is on course to be considered one of the greatest British actors ever. I think McAvoy hasn't been around as long as the others to gain their tribal type of online fanbases, but I think he'll be getting all the best actor In the world chit-chat and accolades within the the next 15 years, if his stage and screen trajectory stays on the course it is. He's his generations Anthony Hopkins, and potentially better. McAvoy could easily do Joker, but he could just as effectively do the super-regular Mr Nice Guy schtick of Tom Hanks. I don't think I could honestly say that about any of the guys in his generation who currently get much more hype than him. He probably needs to start doing more regular Oscarbaiting to gain more traction in the conversation though. He's one of those guys that does a lot of his best work in genre projects. He's easily got Oscars in him if he goes that route. I feel good about being an early adopter for McAvoy though, and it will be interesting to see when everybody starts finally hopping aboard his hype train, as if he hasn't always been great. McAvoy had the childish appareance that Academy don't like. Beside that his movies choice sometimes are akward. Yep he could be the next Anthony Hopkins, but he could also end as the next John Cussack/Tobey Maguirre (more probably). He is the typical nice boy of the working class. You never know when an actor might finally be recognized for their work like I thought that the window might have closed on Jennifer Jason Leigh and Rachel McAdams, but they ended up both being nominated. I have that feeling about McAvoy. It doesn't mean that he won't breakthrough, but I feel like he had the most momentum around the time that he did The Last King of Scotland and Atonement. So yeah right now I feel like he is more of a John Cusack/Tobey Maguire type; although, I'd rank him higher than that more like a Ewan McGregor. So someone who shows a lot of promise early on and feels like a nomination is right around the corner, but for whatever reason hasn't broken through still. Although unlike McAvoy, McGregor has mixed it up more beyond genre films. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 11, 2019 22:02:43 GMT
McAvoy had the childish appareance that Academy don't like. Beside that his movies choice sometimes are akward. Yep he could be the next Anthony Hopkins, but he could also end as the next John Cussack/Tobey Maguirre (more probably). He is the typical nice boy of the working class. You never know when an actor might finally be recognized for their work like I thought that the window might have closed on Jennifer Jason Leigh and Rachel McAdams, but they ended up both being nominated. I have that feeling about McAvoy. It doesn't mean that he won't breakthrough, but I feel like he had the most momentum around the time that he did The Last King of Scotland and Atonement. So yeah right now I feel like he is more of a John Cusack/Tobey Maguire type; although, I'd rank him higher than that more like a Ewan McGregor. So someone who shows a lot of promise early on and feels like a nomination is right around the corner, but for whatever reason hasn't broken through still. Although unlike McAvoy, McGregor has mixed it up more beyond genre films. I think the obvious reason McAvoy hasn't gotten Oscar recognition yet is that since the days of Atonement and The Last King Of Scotland (when he was quite a fresh face on the scene) , he's rarely done the type of films that would fall on the Academy's radar. A lot of critics were calling for him to be recognised in awards season for Split, but the release date and genre meant there was almost no chance of it happening. I do feel he's probably one of the most well regarded actors in the industry in his age group, and if he makes a conscious decision to do some Oscarbaiting, he'll likely be recognised. I like McGregor, but he's done a tonne of awardsbait movies in his career, and has just never had any traction with the Academy. I feel like McAvoy hasn't done enough Oscarbait to be able to say they have any issue with him or just don't like him enough. I think McAvoy is more like Christian Bale was at one point...Bale used to do a lot of genre stuff ( Batman, Equilibrium, Reign Of Fire etc) so wasn't much on the Academy's radar, but when he started consciously doing more films that resonated with the Academy ( like The Fighter) he soon became an Academy regular. |
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Post by Good God on Sept 11, 2019 22:59:53 GMT
I think James McAvoy arguably has a terrific case to be the best actor of that generation over all of them, with no caveats involved. I feel good about being an early adopter for McAvoy though, and it will be interesting to see when everybody starts finally hopping aboard his hype train, as if he hasn't always been great.  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 11, 2019 23:13:45 GMT
I think James McAvoy arguably has a terrific case to be the best actor of that generation over all of them, with no caveats involved. I feel good about being an early adopter for McAvoy though, and it will be interesting to see when everybody starts finally hopping aboard his hype train, as if he hasn't always been great. Nothing like a great actor discussion on this board that starts off interesting (whether Joaquin Phoenix is the best actor of his generation) deteriorating to a side bar discussing um........ James McAvoy (0 nods, he's 40) and Ewan McGregor (0 nods, he's 48)..........who are not "best" in the UK .........but okay, interesting take I guess. Since McAvoy is in the same class as Cumberbatch, Redmayne, Whishaw, Hiddleston, Hardy, it going to be awfully tough to get out of that group and most have impressive theater chops too but hopefully this thread won't deteriorate to a Law vs. McGregor comparison....um.........  |
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 11, 2019 23:15:29 GMT
pupdurcsHardy is in my top 3 favourite actors so I obviously follow him closely, and his acting style is very theatrical on the surface but he can display the exact same amount of gravitas internally — he’s easily one of the best around. When you (and countless other people) compare him to Brando, is this a slight on his natural talent? Because I’ve noticed this always seems to be an after comment everytime someome gives their take on Hardy.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 11, 2019 23:21:09 GMT
pupdurcs Hardy is in my top 3 favourite actors so I obviously follow him closely, and his acting style is very theatrical on the surface but he can display the exact same amount of gravitas internally — he’s easily one of the best around. When you (and countless other people) compare him to Brando, is this a slight on his natural talent? Because I’ve noticed this always seems to be an after comment everytime someome gives their take on Hardy. is a great actor. I like him a lot. For me the Brando thing in his case isn't really a positive (though for some it may be), because it feels like he's consciously imitating the man at times....I feel Hardy is talented enough that he doesn't have to do that and it's done him a disservice. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Sept 11, 2019 23:30:04 GMT
Nothing like a great actor discussion on this board that starts off interesting (whether Joaquin Phoenix is the best actor of his generation) deteriorating to a side bar discussing um........ James McAvoy (0 nods, he's 40) and Ewan McGregor (0 nods, he's 48)..........who are not "best" in the UK .........but okay, interesting take I guess. Since McAvoy is in the same class as Cumberbatch, Redmayne, Whishaw, Hiddleston, Hardy, it going to be awfully tough to get out of that group and most have impressive theater chops too but hopefully this thread won't deteriorate to a Law vs. McGregor comparison....um......... I don't have a horse in this race, but aren't you the one constantly saying the Oscars are a joke and have been for some time now? Why would nominations matter then? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 11, 2019 23:42:18 GMT
Nothing like a great actor discussion on this board that starts off interesting (whether Joaquin Phoenix is the best actor of his generation) deteriorating to a side bar discussing um........ James McAvoy (0 nods, he's 40) and Ewan McGregor (0 nods, he's 48)..........who are not "best" in the UK .........but okay, interesting take I guess. Since McAvoy is in the same class as Cumberbatch, Redmayne, Whishaw, Hiddleston, Hardy, it going to be awfully tough to get out of that group and most have impressive theater chops too but hopefully this thread won't deteriorate to a Law vs. McGregor comparison....um......... I don't have a horse in this race, but aren't you the one constantly saying the Oscars are a joke and have been for some time now? Why would nominations matter then? Well they'd matter as much as McAvoy vs. McGregor in a Joaquin Phoenix thread does I guess..........but yeah, they don't matter in and of themselves - that's true - but to even bring McAvoy up is a bit of a stretch to me given the class he's in and that's an awfully tough class, he hasn't distinguished himself from imo. |
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Post by Good God on Sept 11, 2019 23:45:45 GMT
I don't have a horse in this race, but aren't you the one constantly saying the Oscars are a joke and have been for some time now? Why would nominations matter then? While we're at that, we should also question why someone who claims Washington is obviously better than Hanks because he has more nominations and is obviously better than Penn because he is a bigger star is now throwing in a 0-time nominee and non-star in the mix. |
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