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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 9, 2019 19:22:34 GMT
What director or actor who lots of people initially said "they're gonna be great one day." That they'll take over movie stardom or cinema, but didn't quite live up to that expectation.
I think ScarJo. Not that she remotely became bad, but if you were to ask me based on expectations in 2003, her career turned out a bit different than what most people probably expected in '03. Although she might have been caught in the Lost in Translation storm in 2003 and was praised along with every aspect of that film, but she also had Girl With the Pearl Earring which gave her 2 chances to be nominated and she was snubbed for not only 1 of those, but for both.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 9, 2019 19:41:18 GMT
What director or actor who lots of people initially said "they're gonna be great one day." That they'll take over movie stardom or cinema, but didn't quite live up to that expectation. I think ScarJo. Not that she remotely became bad, but if you were to ask me based on expectations in 2003, her career turned out a bit different than what most people probably expected in '03. Although she might have been caught in the Lost in Translation storm in 2003 and was praised along with every aspect of that film, but she also had Girl With the Pearl Earring which gave her 2 chances to be nominated and she was snubbed for not only 1 of those, but for both. I have a hunch she'll be remembered as a kind of hero who said "fnck superhero sh it" and went on to win a triple crown of acting. I think she has a better chance this year to win than Driver does actually (men don't win in shared leads like that, they dominate), she already has a Tony under her belt and none of her peers does stage too much except (the great) Michelle Williams. If she has a Tony and an Oscar and is the worlds highest paid actress.......it'll make 2003 look like the warm-up. Anyway......Eric Roberts at one time looked like a young DePac and gave some performances worthy of that praise - and then very much lost his way. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 9, 2019 19:50:48 GMT
What director or actor who lots of people initially said "they're gonna be great one day." That they'll take over movie stardom or cinema, but didn't quite live up to that expectation. I think ScarJo. Not that she remotely became bad, but if you were to ask me based on expectations in 2003, her career turned out a bit different than what most people probably expected in '03. Although she might have been caught in the Lost in Translation storm in 2003 and was praised along with every aspect of that film, but she also had Girl With the Pearl Earring which gave her 2 chances to be nominated and she was snubbed for not only 1 of those, but for both. I have a hunch she'll be remembered as a kind of hero who said "fnck supergero sh it" and went on to win a triple crown of acting. I think she has a better chance this year to win than Driver does actually (men don't win in shared leads like that, they dominate), she already has a Tony under her belt and none of her peers does stage too much except (the great) Michelle Williams. If she has a Tony and an Oscar and is the worlds highest paid actress.......it'll make 2003 look like the warm-up. Anyway......Eric Roberts at one time looked like a young DePac and gave some performances worthy of that praise - and then very much lost his way. I think she might also be remembered for being a kind of twee culture hero. But yeah, she definitely has gone extremely blockbuster lately - reminds me of Angelina Jolie who started out looking like some drug-addict/stoner and getting some quality notices for her work before doing every blockbuster on the planet. Eric Roberts is a good choice. He kinda fizzed - I kinda just remember that sunshine smile of his more than anything else. Do you think Ed Norton also fits this piece? He had a brief run, but the hype surrounding him the late 90s was ENORMOUS. I remember people thought cinema was gonna basically come down to Norton vs Depp for the future. Both turned out........ a bit different lol to say the least. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 9, 2019 20:08:02 GMT
Do you think Ed Norton also fits this piece? He had a brief run, but the hype surrounding him the late 90s was ENORMOUS. I remember people thought cinema was gonna basically come down to Norton vs Depp for the future. Both turned out........ a bit different lol to say the least.
I think it depends on how hard you go on yourself with Ed Norton - I mean he has 3 Oscar nods and he's a serious dude but when he did The Score I thought it was insulting that he got lumped in with Brando/DeNiro as the 3 best actors of their generations. It was just too soon......and it wasn't true then or now. I thought he ripped off some of that American History X performance from Russell Crowe's Romper Stomper too (not completely but somewhat) - I think though there are more flash in the pans guys without his big time talent though (Josh Hartnett etc.) I don't think anybody else feels about Norton the way that I do tbh, I always felt his voice held him back - he has this puny small voice and no matter what tricks he uses he can't lose it - stuttering/accents/trying to whisper.........he's one of those guys where you can ask "Is he great .........or is he just a very good actor who was sometimes great" (because he was sometimes great definitely). You can say that a lot - there's not as many truly great actors as we like to think  |
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Post by Good God on Sept 9, 2019 20:40:20 GMT
Not my expectations, but Edward Norton was definitely seen for a short while as the best actor of the new generation. I think he sort of ruined it for himself by being a control freak that couldn't focus on his own job.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 9, 2019 20:58:41 GMT
Norton and Depp were my first thoughts.
And I'd argue M. Night Shyamalan fits the description.
After the 6th Sense, he was consideted the next big thing. Never lived up to the hype.
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Post by stephen on Sept 9, 2019 21:20:07 GMT
I feel like Timothy Hutton was poised to be the next big thing after he won his Oscar, but...
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 9, 2019 21:55:11 GMT
People were getting a bit carried away with Michael Fassbender and Oscar Isaac for a hot minute. Particularly Fassy.
Both very fine actors, but I think people also thought they could be "movie stars", and while both have tried, they don't seem to have "it".
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 9, 2019 21:57:45 GMT
Fantastic choices with Shyamalan and Hutton. Agreed on both.
LOL Shyamalan is hilarious. No idea he would've turned out to be one of those guys they hire to write the script for the latest CW vampire show, but it's hilarious the type of audience he ended up feeding after The Sixth Sense and Signs.
I think Depp is a legit great actor though. It's obvious Pirates was the turning point in his career.... for better or worse, but back then he was a bit of a sensation in that film even though today nobody talks about that movie anymore. Its fame has definitely faded. Still the guy who gave us Ed Wood and Black Mass....... and Sweeney Todd (don't berate me) and Public Enemies (don't berate me #2) is a great actor in my books.
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Post by stephen on Sept 9, 2019 22:02:16 GMT
People were getting a bit carried away with Michael Fassbender and Oscar Isaac for a hot minute. Particularly Fassy. Both very fine actors, but I think people also thought they could be "movie stars", and while both have tried, they don't seem to have "it". Yes to both of these. You'd think they were God's gift to IMDb back in the day.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 9, 2019 22:04:10 GMT
Another one I'd name is Idris Elba who is something of a joke to me - if you ever see or read an extensive interview with him he comes off as needing help.....although I'm not sure people fancied him a "great" actor though, but whatever he was supposed to be, he ain't it.
I think I'm in the minority on him though......
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Post by chris3 on Sept 9, 2019 22:05:35 GMT
Even though he's had a solid career, in the late 90s/early 00s it looked like Jude Law was on his way towards becoming one of those rare leading men with both movie star charisma and real talent/dramatic range (his work in Gattaca, Road to Perdition, and The Talented Mr. Ripley is stellar). Yet he never really made it as a leading man, and he's yet to get that one role, leading or supporting, that puts him back into people's minds as a serious actor.
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Post by speeders on Sept 9, 2019 22:19:23 GMT
Richard Kelly for director is first to come to mind.
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Post by finniussnrub on Sept 9, 2019 22:36:48 GMT
John Hillcoat, whose career has sort of fizzled.
Most non-English language directors, who start making English language films.
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Post by stabcaesar on Sept 10, 2019 0:08:29 GMT
Adrien Brody
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 10, 2019 0:24:43 GMT
actress Queen Latifah
Director Baz Luhrman, Jan de Bont
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 10, 2019 0:36:22 GMT
People were getting a bit carried away with Michael Fassbender and Oscar Isaac for a hot minute. Particularly Fassy. Both very fine actors, but I think people also thought they could be "movie stars", and while both have tried, they don't seem to have "it". Good ones, although to be fair to Isaac, I think he even realizes that, which is why when he does do a "big movie" it's part of an ensemble piece, and or known property like Star Wars. Fassbender though, has had some pretty terrible luck lately, Assassins Creed was basically his attempt at his own franchise, and it tanked badly for example. I think it would be wise if he stuck to smaller projects for the time-being. Getting discovered so soon may have had the bad side-effect of studios trying to put him in every film possible, and led to some serious miscasting as a result. |
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Post by Mattsby on Sept 10, 2019 2:55:01 GMT
Not the best answer but as someone who loves Chastain, I'm gonna call her out with a confused career right now. I mean, X Men, It 2, and back to back b-movie level action pics with godawful directors? I still think her two best perfs are her first two perfs - the brilliant blistering sexy as hell Salome and the touching and daring Jolene. She hasn't charted those types quite like I thought she would - and especially as someone who since day one hailed Huppert as her idol. Around 2012-13, when Salome was available, she got her 2nd Oscar nom, and she was on Broadway (no stage since), things were looking real great.
I liked her in Molly's Game - which filmed Nov '16, almost three years ago - that and Miss Sloane are two zippy verbose pics where she plays the ambitious workhorse, elegant, kinda sexy, kinda complicated. Those movies have their issues but the character appeal is visible. Otherwise, for the most part recently, I don't get it - some forgettable soft-hearted stuff, bit parts, genre misfires. These parts are looking sauce-less, she needs to get something cookin' and I'm talkin' arrabbiata.......
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Post by getclutch on Sept 10, 2019 3:49:04 GMT
Michael Beck? "The Warriors opened a lot of doors in film, for me, which Xanadu then closed." I will also add Timothy Bottoms. He started out great with Johnny Got His Gun & The Last Picture Show along with The Paper Chase. No idea where it went wrong for him.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 10, 2019 5:05:33 GMT
Emily Watson.
After her debut in Breaking the waves, you could have thought a star were born.
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Post by demille on Sept 10, 2019 10:46:58 GMT
Bill Condon for me. I was really impressed with the style of Gods and Monsters, but his films since have been generally disappointing.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 10, 2019 10:57:33 GMT
Bill Condon for me. I was really impressed with the style of Gods and Monsters, but his films since have been generally disappointing. Expecting huge things from him this year tbh - I am the only one I guess - re-teaming with McKellen and adding Mirren in great roles that they are perfect for in a pretty great book adaptation that has a whole lot in common with Gods and Monsters. No one else has it on their radar (at all) and well, it's my dark horse pick (The Good Liar), sight unseen of course...... |
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Post by demille on Sept 10, 2019 11:13:57 GMT
Bill Condon for me. I was really impressed with the style of Gods and Monsters, but his films since have been generally disappointing. Expecting huge things from him this year tbh - I am the only one I guess - re-teaming with McKellen and adding Mirren in great roles that they are perfect for in a pretty great book adaptation that has a whole lot in common with Gods and Monsters. No one else has it on their radar (at all) and well, it's my dark horse pick (The Good Liar), sight unseen of course...... I hope so. It's on my radar too. The trailer looks good, McKellen and Mirren do seem well suited for the roles (from the little I know about them; I haven't read the book), and the relationship between them is an interesting premise/ situation. I hope it is well developed in the film. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 10, 2019 15:42:46 GMT
Not the best answer but as someone who loves Chastain, I'm gonna call her out with a confused career right now. I mean, X Men, It 2, and back to back b-movie level action pics with godawful directors? I still think her two best perfs are her first two perfs - the brilliant blistering sexy as hell Salome and the touching and daring Jolene. She hasn't charted those types quite like I thought she would - and especially as someone who since day one hailed Huppert as her idol. Around 2012-13, when Salome was available, she got her 2nd Oscar nom, and she was on Broadway (no stage since), things were looking real great. I liked her in Molly's Game - which filmed Nov '16, almost three years ago - that and Miss Sloane are two zippy verbose pics where she plays the ambitious workhorse, elegant, kinda sexy, kinda complicated. Those movies have their issues but the character appeal is visible. Otherwise, for the most part recently, I don't get it - some forgettable soft-hearted stuff, bit parts, genre misfires. These parts are looking sauce-less, she needs to get something cookin' and I'm talkin' arrabbiata.......  |
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 10, 2019 17:27:49 GMT
I think people probably expected a better post-1993 career for Michael Keaton, to that point he had a good balance between showing his acting skills in small serious movies like Clean and Sober and My life and being the (great) leading star of bigger movies like Batman/Beetlejuice. The thing is he and Tom Hanks were in some ways interchangable (with Hanks being more likeable and Keaton more darker) and they were battling for years for the same kind of roles and it seems like there was only one (long term) slot for the funny actor in big serious roles. Hanks got Philadelphia (keaton was considered) won the oscar, then Gump and the rest is history. The seats are rare and precious in Hollywood.
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