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Post by Good God on Sept 15, 2019 17:35:44 GMT
1. Jojo Rabbit 2. Marriage Story 3. Parasite
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Post by wilcinema on Sept 15, 2019 17:36:13 GMT
Ugh. I hoped for another winner.
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Post by morton on Sept 15, 2019 17:36:56 GMT
1. Jojo Rabbit 2. Marriage Story 3. Parasite I'm surprised that Jojo Rabbit still won. I guess I eliminated it too soon from all of my predictions. So happy for Marriage Story and Parasite, and no The Two Popes!!! The latter might actually be the best thing for me, lol.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 15, 2019 17:40:16 GMT
ScarJo double nom confirmed?
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Post by wilcinema on Sept 15, 2019 17:40:16 GMT
The news here is Marriage Story. I thought that it could become both a critics and an audience favorite, but not to this level. I really really don’t see many films beating it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 15, 2019 17:42:32 GMT
See, Jojo Rabbit FINALLY made me laugh after 2 trailers and clips......bravo 74% on RT btw - the woke culture has come for your movies and you maybe end up with the movies you deserve because of it. Just sayin'
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Post by morton on Sept 15, 2019 17:54:03 GMT
The news here is Marriage Story. I thought that it could become both a critics and an audience favorite, but not to this level. I really really don’t see many films beating it. I'm afraid that it might end up like other critics favorites like Boyhood and Roma, when more people start to see it and complain that it's good but they don't get what's so great about it. This is certainly a great day for it though. It won over all the other Netflix potential crowdpleasers, and Joker didn't place here. Plus, coming in second is pretty good because the film gets more exposure now and shows that it can actually be a crowd favorite, but it doesn't have to worry about the unfortunate baggage that would have come with coming in first place.
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Post by stephen on Sept 15, 2019 17:56:01 GMT
Between this and Joker, the divisive films are reigning supreme. Might be a fun season indeed.
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Post by Good God on Sept 15, 2019 18:03:16 GMT
Yeah, I think Marriage Story came out the winner of TIFF. Even more raves from critics, and it also proved to be an audience favorite. Jojo Rabbit may now manage a Best Picture nomination, but I don't think it's going to contend for the win. Joker came out looking a lot weaker, though perhaps that should have been expected.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 15, 2019 18:06:11 GMT
Between this and Joker, the divisive films are reigning supreme. Might be a fun season indeed. Yeah...don’t know why but I feel that JJR’s win is very good for JOKER’s chances of a BP nom, thus paving the way for a Joaquin win. Thoughts?
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Post by stephen on Sept 15, 2019 18:08:54 GMT
Yeah, I think Marriage Story came out the winner of TIFF. Even more raves from critics, and it also proved to be an audience favorite. Jojo Rabbit may now manage a Best Picture nomination, but I don't think it's going to contend for the win. Joker came out looking a lot weaker, though perhaps that should have been expected. Probably for the best for Joker, really. Doesn't build up insurmountable backlash early. It does well at the B.O., WB keeps working the circuit with Phoenix on his best behavior, I think it'll be fine.
Marriage Story definitely rose to the top, though.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 15, 2019 18:10:57 GMT
Yeah, I think Marriage Story came out the winner of TIFF. Even more raves from critics, and it also proved to be an audience favorite. Jojo Rabbit may now manage a Best Picture nomination, but I don't think it's going to contend for the win. Joker came out looking a lot weaker, though perhaps that should have been expected. I think JOKER stood a very small chance of coming out of TIFF with raves (the film at least); it was always going to be a divisive one. But with a gargantuan box office ahead plus Phoenix’ getting lots of great word of mouth, I still see him as the guy to beat. Driver is obviously right there though.
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Post by Good God on Sept 15, 2019 18:23:15 GMT
Probably for the best for Joker, really. Doesn't build up insurmountable backlash early. It does well at the B.O., WB keeps working the circuit with Phoenix on his best behavior, I think it'll be fine. I think JOKER stood a very small chance of coming out of TIFF with raves (the film at least); it was always going to be a divisive one. But with a gargantuan box office ahead plus Phoenix’ getting lots of great word of mouth, I still see him as the guy to beat. Driver is obviously right there though. I've always been a little skeptical of the Academy taking to a comic book movie in a big way, and I feel like Joker will have to consistently exceed expectations to be a Best Picture nominee and get Phoenix the win. Especially when he's competing against someone like Driver who is in a universally raved movie with the notices for his performance being no less than Phoenix's. I feel like a "due" narrative for Phoenix will have to really take off for him to win, and I have Driver as the slight favorite now. Can't completely rule out Pryce, either.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 15, 2019 18:40:02 GMT
Probably for the best for Joker, really. Doesn't build up insurmountable backlash early. It does well at the B.O., WB keeps working the circuit with Phoenix on his best behavior, I think it'll be fine. I think JOKER stood a very small chance of coming out of TIFF with raves (the film at least); it was always going to be a divisive one. But with a gargantuan box office ahead plus Phoenix’ getting lots of great word of mouth, I still see him as the guy to beat. Driver is obviously right there though. I've always been a little skeptical of the Academy taking to a comic book movie in a big way, and I feel like Joker will have to consistently exceed expectations to be a Best Picture nominee and get Phoenix the win. Especially when he's competing against someone like Driver who is in a universally raved movie with the notices for his performance being no less than Phoenix's. I feel like a "due" narrative for Phoenix will have to really take off for him to win, and I have Driver as the slight favorite now. Can't completely rule out Pryce, either. I don’t disagree with anything you said, however I still hold onto the fact that it won the Golden Lion at Venice and that in itself is a reason to not discount this film or Joaquin’s chances in the slightest.
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 15, 2019 18:40:35 GMT
Pretty shocked that Beautiful Day didn’t get in there at all ... still at 95 RT and 82 MC so I don’t think it takes a huge hit but still it’d be hard to argue that Marriage Story hasn’t leapfrogged ahead.
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Post by wilcinema on Sept 15, 2019 18:41:20 GMT
Boyhood and Roma were contemplative films, and one was even three-hours long. Marriage Story is not as demanding, it has funny moments and it has an ensemble of famous actors. Publicists will always find a way to take a movie down but this one will be tough.
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Post by morton on Sept 15, 2019 18:46:52 GMT
Boyhood and Roma were contemplative films, and one was even three-hours long. Marriage Story is not as demanding, it has funny moments and it has an ensemble of famous actors. Publicists will always find a way to take a movie down but this one will be tough. Thanks. Of course I haven't seen it, but I've seen people already use that argument as to why it will probably be the Best Picture runner-up. Right now I have to agree with them just because it's still Netflix, and the box office isn't going to be there against something like OUATIH. Plus, I don't know if there's an "importance" factor that all of the winners have had since 2013. I mean divorce is something that most everyone goes through, but I don't know if it will be enough.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 15, 2019 19:20:01 GMT
Boyhood and Roma were contemplative films, and one was even three-hours long. Marriage Story is not as demanding, it has funny moments and it has an ensemble of famous actors. Publicists will always find a way to take a movie down but this one will be tough. Thanks. Of course I haven't seen it, but I've seen people already use that argument as to why it will probably be the Best Picture runner-up. Right now I have to agree with them just because it's still Netflix, and the box office isn't going to be there against something like OUATIH. Plus, I don't know if there's an "importance" factor that all of the winners have had since 2013. I mean divorce is something that most everyone goes through, but I don't know if it will be enough. Curious morton....why is Marriage Story your horse? Are you a Baumbach/Driver fanbot?
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Post by morton on Sept 15, 2019 19:52:34 GMT
Thanks. Of course I haven't seen it, but I've seen people already use that argument as to why it will probably be the Best Picture runner-up. Right now I have to agree with them just because it's still Netflix, and the box office isn't going to be there against something like OUATIH. Plus, I don't know if there's an "importance" factor that all of the winners have had since 2013. I mean divorce is something that most everyone goes through, but I don't know if it will be enough. Curious morton ....why is Marriage Story your horse? Are you a Baumbach/Driver fanbot? lol, I am a fan of Driver's, but I don't know if I'm a fanbot. Some of it has to do with bragging rights I guess like when I picked Spotlight early on to win Best Picture because it had such a baity subject. Of course, I did drop it quite a few times over the course of the year like when it lost PGA to The Big Short, and when The Revenant was winning at the Globes and at BAFTA, but at least I was pretty close to being right instead of when I was predicting Joy, Harriet, etc. to win and they pretty much bombed. Along with that, I've noticed that recently there's usually at least one writer-director that's finally able to breakthrough in a big way like Linklater and Wes Anderson a few years ago, and Russell before that. Baumbach made the most sense to me this year because I didn't really see anyone else that could fit. He had a subject matter that seemed like it could appeal to a lot of people, and he had two huge stars in it, one who was just got their first nomination last year, and one who seems like she'd win on her first nomination, imo. Finally, I've been predicting Driver to win since he got excellent reviews for The Report back in January. At first I thought that would be more likely than Marriage Story, but then I switched to Marriage Story because it seemed like even though he got a lot of good reviews for it, the movie didn't have enough broad appeal. People seemed to like it, but not love it. Plus Amazon deciding to release it in September, then November, but still with streaming it two weeks later. While I dream of Marriage Story pulling a Network this year, I think it's a lot more likely that it wins Original Screenplay and Best Supporting Actress. I think Best Actor and Best Actress are still up in the air. I think that Driver has the toughest path because of Phoenix and Pryce, but he has a lot going for him too like two other well received movies coming out at during awards season, probably wins most of the top critics awards out of the 3 actors, and was just nominated last year for his first Oscar and this year got his first Tony nomination. I thought Erivo might be a big factor for Johansson winning, but she probably won't be. There is Zellweger and maybe Ronan or Theron, but Zellweger and Theron are previous winners, and while Jo March is a great role, I don't think it will give enough for Ronan to win.
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Post by filmnoir on Sept 15, 2019 19:57:58 GMT
Yeah, I think Marriage Story came out the winner of TIFF. Even more raves from critics, and it also proved to be an audience favorite. Jojo Rabbit may now manage a Best Picture nomination, but I don't think it's going to contend for the win. Joker came out looking a lot weaker, though perhaps that should have been expected. I think JOKER stood a very small chance of coming out of TIFF with raves (the film at least); it was always going to be a divisive one. But with a gargantuan box office ahead plus Phoenix’ getting lots of great word of mouth, I still see him as the guy to beat. Driver is obviously right there though. But is Phoenix willing to campaign - and in a way were he comes off sincere - like Gary Oldman. And not like Michael Keaton, who often came off smarmy. Phoenix like both of these guys didn't have the best reputation in Hollywood.
Whereas Driver doesn't have any of that baggage and he is also playing a likeable, sympathetic character - that of the husband, devoted father.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 15, 2019 21:06:10 GMT
I think JOKER stood a very small chance of coming out of TIFF with raves (the film at least); it was always going to be a divisive one. But with a gargantuan box office ahead plus Phoenix’ getting lots of great word of mouth, I still see him as the guy to beat. Driver is obviously right there though. But is Phoenix willing to campaign - and in a way were he comes off sincere - like Gary Oldman. And not like Michael Keaton, who often came off smarmy. Phoenix like both of these guys didn't have the best reputation in Hollywood.
Whereas Driver doesn't have any of that baggage and he is also playing a likeable, sympathetic character - that of the husband, devoted father.
Of all the years I have been following Wock, this is honestly the most open and genuine personality to the press that I've ever seen him behave. Joaquin is just one of those people who love their privacy but most of all their craft. He would have never signed on to play this role [JOKER] if he felt the people involved could not have helped further his talent. He did so, he's getting career best reviews and the film is going to be a huge B.O hit. Having said all that, I think there is one major facet in his life that people often forget, and that's his lovely fiancée Rooney Mara. The two are the perfect couple in my eyes and she is obviously bringing (or brought) a lot of happiness to him. It won't be hard to get Hollywood back on his side because of the respect he possesses. And since WB are going to campaign the shit out of this movie, he's truly well on board to do the same.
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Post by quetee on Sept 15, 2019 21:58:59 GMT
A Beautiful Day not scoring a top three spot is not a good sign.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 16, 2019 1:17:09 GMT
I feel like Phoenix is going to be for dudes on this board what Timothee Chalemet and Lady Gaga were for gays on film twitter the last couple years.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Sept 16, 2019 20:00:49 GMT
TIFF 2019 Report Card: Critics Rank the Best Films and Performances 322 critics voted in the survey, which diverged from the TIFF People's Choice Award for the second year in a row. Some movies launch their awards season buzz at the Toronto International Film Festival; others use it to pick up steam. On the final day of this year’s TIFF, the coveted People’s Choice Award went to Taika Waititi’s “Jojo Rabbit” a week after its premiere. However, IndieWire’s annual TIFF Critics Survey of the best films and performances at the festival tells a different story, singling out a movie that has been generating acclaim for months. BEST NARRATIVE FILM Based on a ranked Top 3. 1. “Parasite” (10% of overall vote and 17% of first-place votes) 2. “Marriage Story” (9% of overall vote and 13% of first-place votes) 3. “Jojo Rabbit” (6% of overall vote and 8% of first-place votes) 4. “Knives Out” (6% of overall votes and 6% of first-place votes) 5. “Joker” (5% of overall votes and 5% of first-place votes) BEST DOCUMENTARY FILM Based on a Ranked Top 3. 1. “Collective” (5% of overall vote and 12% of first-place votes) 2. “Varda by Agnes” (5% of overall votes and 8% of first-place votes) 3. “The Cave” (4% of overall votes and 8% of first-place votes) 4. “The Kingmaker” (4% of overall votes and 7% of first-place votes) 5. “Western Stars” (4% of overall votes and 5% of first-place votes) BEST DIRECTED FILM (NARRATIVE OR FEATURE) A single vote was cast for this section – percentages indicate the amount of the overall total vote each film received. 1. “Parasite,” Bong Joon Ho (15.72%) 2. “Joker,” Todd Phillips (7.23%) 3. “Waves,” Trey Edward Shults (6.92%) 4. “A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood,” Marielle Heller (6.6%) 5. “Marriage Story,” Noah Baumbach (6.29%) BEST SCREENPLAY A single vote was cast for this section – percentages indicate the amount of the overall total vote each film received. 1. “Marriage Story” (20.57%) 2. “Knives Out” (14.87%) 3. “Parasite” (9.81%) 4. “Jojo Rabbit” (8.86%) 5. “The Two Popes” (4.11%) BEST PERFORMANCE Based on write-in votes. 1. Adam Driver, “Marriage Story” 2. Joaquin Phoenix, “Joker” 3. Adam Sandler, “Uncut Gems” 4. Jennifer Lopez, “Hustlers” 5. Tom Hanks, “A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood” www.indiewire.com/2019/09/tiff-2019-critics-survey-toronto-best-films-performances-parasite-adam-driver-1202174083/
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Post by quetee on Sept 16, 2019 20:05:37 GMT
So basically the Twitter responses for jojo didn't provide good read.
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