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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Sept 5, 2019 22:10:46 GMT
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Post by wilcinema on Sept 5, 2019 23:16:49 GMT
I’m sorry to be the party pooper at the first comment, but it’s come out today in Italy and... you cannot even begin to imagine how bad it is. It’s a complete mess.
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Post by jakesully on Sept 6, 2019 1:32:31 GMT
I'll eventually catch it on HBO one day but sitting thru a nearly 3 hour horror film in theaters??? No thanks. Sorry not sorry (just not in the mood for it) . Plus I hear this one is just full of a lot of lame jump scare set ups thru out.
I'll save my coins for Ad Astra in IMAX & the Joker film in October.
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 6, 2019 1:46:02 GMT
I’m sorry to be the party pooper at the first comment, but it’s come out today in Italy and... you cannot even begin to imagine how bad it is. It’s a complete mess. Awwww. I actually liked the first movie, much to my surprise. Well, it wasn't scary, but it was fun.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Sept 6, 2019 1:46:37 GMT
Okay. Now we’re closer to what I thought the first film was gonna be. Simply put, this rarely captures its charm, is excessive in its content (there’s no reason that this should be just ten minutes shorter than Endgame), and despite a great cast (including a standout Hader), they can only elevate it so much. Might actually have less jump scares than the first... and yet it’s just not as scary. And they did the one thing I was afraid they’d do. They gave Pennywise so much of a spotlight, they made him boring. It has its pleasures, and its effective frights, but it’s unsatisfying as the big ending. And that CG cluster climax, my goodness, what a shambling mess. Oh, and seriously? Stephen King cameo? We’re pulling that out of place shit?
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Sept 6, 2019 1:49:06 GMT
Plus I hear this one is just full of a lot of lame jump scare set ups thru out. You know what the sad thing is? It might actually be *less* dependent on jump scares than the first. AND YET IT’S NOT NEARLY AS SCARY! HOW?!
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 6, 2019 1:52:47 GMT
....dammit. Two downright pans. I was so looking forward to this, especially with the cast they got together.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Sept 6, 2019 2:03:31 GMT
....dammit. Two downright pans. I was so looking forward to this, especially with the cast they got together. I sound more negative than I actually am. It’s not a *bad* film, but the whole is so much less than the sum of its parts. There’s great individual pieces, but collectively it’s really underwhelming.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 6, 2019 2:43:07 GMT
Is Richie gay in the book?
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Post by bob-coppola on Sept 6, 2019 3:39:57 GMT
even though it *is* a good movie, it feels like a major let-down - and none of my problems have anything to do with its more than justified length. the first act feels incredibly choppy, jumping from one generic plot-setting scene to another, jumping from one character to other - AND IT'S SEVEN OF THEM. for like half an hour or so, you can feel as an audience that they're just crossing things of a to-do list so they can finally get to the point that matters. funny thing is, what happened to those characters in those missing 27 years matter just as much as them getting back to derry.
then, it faces another problem: while the children in the first movie are mostly full-fledged people, almost a lesson on how to create three-dimensional characters in a large ensemble with limited screentime, their adult counterparts feel like a paper thin version of them. they're cardboard compilations of personality traits, drafts of a more emotionally resonating character arc that never feels earned. honestly, I couldn't care for james mcavoy's bill 'cause, to me, he was just giving a bland continuation of what his role did in the first movie. bill feels like an afterthought in the movie he leads.
the only exceptions to this are bill hader's richie and jessica chastain's bev, as they're also given the meatiest parts to work with. bill hader delivers an incredibly riched and nuanced performance, adding an unexpected twist to a character we already thought we knew but in a way that never betrays how he's been portrayed. the way hader wrestles the emotional layers of his dilemma is both heartbreaking and endearing.
chastain, despite not having a role as fleshed out, works out very well how to balance bev's rebellious past-self with her new muted persona. even though important parts of her freudian love life aren't given the attention they needed, she has a very emotionally ressonating material and brings it to life with a lot of heart.
overall, despite those problems, it's a very engaging and thrilling movie. some scary pieces fell flat to me, but others were beautiful, effective and haunting. that bloody bathroom scene especially was a standout. it also ties many themes from both movies, with an ending that emphasizes the importance of overcoming childhood traumas. it'd just be more poignant if the richest characters were given the chance to carry the movie. the main reason why the first movie was a haunting and sad read on so many well-established tropes is because you get to care for the losers group as a whole, and also as individuals. this time around, I feel like many of them could've been entirely dropped altogether.
7/10
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 6, 2019 5:27:59 GMT
Is Richie gay in the book? It's been many years I've read it but iirc no, he wasn't. I think he had an unsuccessful marriage or something like that
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Post by stephen on Sept 6, 2019 5:35:22 GMT
I'm gonna say it: it's ridiculous that we're not talking about Bill Hader being locked for Best Supporting Actor right now. For all this talk about Joaquin Phoenix contending with genre bias, this is the biggest example of it.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 6, 2019 5:36:49 GMT
this is sounding kinda awful to me. First movie was decent, nothing special (certainly not in the scares department anyways). Wasn't super invested in any of those kids' stories and if this is supposed to be a step down in the scares AND character departments, should I even bother? thank god we still have Doctor Sleep.
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Post by wilcinema on Sept 6, 2019 6:11:31 GMT
I'm gonna say it: it's ridiculous that we're not talking about Bill Hader being locked for Best Supporting Actor right now. For all this talk about Joaquin Phoenix contending with genre bias, this is the biggest example of it. He’s the only genuinely great thing about this movie. Crazy how much he’s improved as an actor.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 6, 2019 6:16:14 GMT
this is sounding kinda awful to me. First movie was decent, nothing special (certainly not in the scares department anyways). Wasn't super invested in any of those kids' stories and if this is supposed to be a step down in the scares AND character departments, should I even bother? thank god we still have Doctor Sleep. If it will be treated like most of King's adaptations, then we shouldn't be much hyped... The book is not very easy to be adapted into a movie.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 6, 2019 6:18:34 GMT
this is sounding kinda awful to me. First movie was decent, nothing special (certainly not in the scares department anyways). Wasn't super invested in any of those kids' stories and if this is supposed to be a step down in the scares AND character departments, should I even bother? thank god we still have Doctor Sleep. If it will be treated like most of King's adaptations, then we shouldn't be much hyped... The book is not very easy to be adapted into a movie. Mike Flanagan hasn't failed me yet.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 6, 2019 6:20:07 GMT
If it will be treated like most of King's adaptations, then we shouldn't be much hyped... The book is not very easy to be adapted into a movie. Mike Flanagan hasn't failed me yet. He's a good reason we can hope for this to be solid.
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Post by bob-coppola on Sept 6, 2019 12:38:43 GMT
I'm gonna say it: it's ridiculous that we're not talking about Bill Hader being locked for Best Supporting Actor right now. For all this talk about Joaquin Phoenix contending with genre bias, this is the biggest example of it. Between this and Barry, I'll be stanning Hader hard this season. Hope he gets more roles like this.
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Post by stephen on Sept 6, 2019 14:44:42 GMT
It still has a lot of the major issues that plagued the first film, but I actually think overall I enjoyed it a bit more than the original one. Mainly because I had a lot of doubts as to how they'd portray the adult storyline, as I felt like doing a film about it would've been pretty unnecessary (given that the whole point of it in the novel is that King was dealing with his own confrontation of childhood in comparison to his adulthood, and that theme doesn't play quite as well cinematically). Most of the book's adult subplot is them basically sitting around a library remembering things. So I was glad to see all the characters be more proactive this time around.
I still don't think this is a definitive adaptation of the novel, and indeed I think the 1990 miniseries still reigns supreme overall as a cleaner, more cohesive work, but there are some definite wow moments (Hader, Ransone, some of Its manifestations, the funhouse sequence) that really delighted me. But in the end, I do wish that they'd gone the full eight-part miniseries treatment a la True Detective.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Sept 6, 2019 16:42:16 GMT
It’s not real enough for me, Billy! PS. What’s with them trying to retcon crap? Some of those flashbacks don’t fit into the chronology. Bev just forgot that it was BEN who recites the poem as a kid?
And her father only JUST DIED a few years ago?! She bashed him in the face with a toilet bowl lid, which left a sizable puddle of blood. You don’t walk that off like it’s a boo-boo on the head.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 6, 2019 17:13:43 GMT
It’s not real enough for me, Billy! PS. What’s with them trying to retcon crap? Some of those flashbacks don’t fit into the chronology. Bev just forgot that it was BEN who recites the poem as a kid?
And her father only JUST DIED a few years ago?! She bashed him in the face with a toilet bowl lid, which left a sizable puddle of blood. You don’t walk that off like it’s a boo-boo on the head. Haven't seen the movie yet (tomorrow will be the day) but I think Bev didn't remember about that poem because of that "if you leave Derry, you forget everything" thing. As a matter of fact, iirc, she thought Bill had written that poem.
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Post by Pavan on Sept 6, 2019 17:59:32 GMT
Too long and messy but I had some fun and there are some decent scares. Really took sweet time in getting back to the characters jumping from one scene to another but it gets interesting in the middle and there are some genuinely well crafted scenes that are innovate and scary and some very fun thanks mostly to Bill Hader who was really good. Then it's repetitive until the 3rd act. Ends on a better note though.
The movie flashes back too many times and was trying to bring nostalgia from the past involving the kids who seemed more developed than their older counterparts. The old losers echo their younger selves most of the time and doesn't feel like someone who evolved into adults- 6.5/10
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Sept 6, 2019 18:20:16 GMT
Not as good as the original but still a very good conclusion of the Stephan King story. The "Loser Club" now all grown up returns to Derry to face once again the deadly clown. What worked so well in the first one was the bonding of the teens, the coming of age factor and the throw back to the late 80s. Here there is not much left of that, you are rather faced with a lot of troubled adults without much of a perspective. There is still fine character development but in this sequel the gore factor was surely more in the focus. Acting wise it was good and the adult versions of the kids were wisely chosen. Jessica Chastain was quite good, though I hoped her role would have been a bit more interesting. James McAvoy had the most complex character and worked him very well. Bill Hader was also good and worth to mention. Bill Skarsgard was once again frighteningly convincing as Pennywise. It was nice to have some flashback sequences with the kids to reveal some secrets that we did not have in the first part of the film. There was some really great editing involved and generally an excellent atmosphere provided. The ending was great and touching in a way. Generally both films are among the best King adaptations out there.
8/10
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 6, 2019 21:02:32 GMT
So many different opinions Judging by the reviews and the posts in here, it's probably a decent movie but not as good as the first part. I'm very curious about that...
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Post by JangoB on Sept 6, 2019 21:29:37 GMT
As someone who didn't like the first one, I thought this was just rubbish. Muschetti is a damn poor filmmaker based on this duology. And honestly, I haven't read King's book but from the looks of it...it seems like a pretty ridiculous piece of work too. Not only did I find the filmmaking to be shoddy here but it's just the story itself that I felt was really dumb.
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