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Post by jakob on Aug 13, 2019 4:42:57 GMT
I'm not entirely sure what her buzz is or how often she was mentioned in reviews, but she does have a juicy part in playing Banderas' neglected affectionate mother in the flashbacks. If this film can really pop with the Academy, which I actually think it will beyond just Banderas, I could see her getting in ala Marina De Tavira last year with no major precursors and just based on the love and strength of the film's campaign.
NGNG, until the race starts to pick up, I'm going for it.
Best Actor in a Leading Role- Antonio Banderas
Best Actress in a Supporting Role- Penelope Cruz
Best Original Screenplay- Pedro Almodovar
Best International Film
I also think Almodovar could surprise in Director (given the film is so personal to him). Best Picture and Best Original Score are outside shots.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 13, 2019 6:22:18 GMT
The reviews of P&G are quite good atm so I don't see why she wouldn't have a chance for a nod.
She's a wonderful actress and I'd love her to get nominated.
Looks like the film (and Almodovar) will get some love from the Academy.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Aug 14, 2019 16:47:58 GMT
If it happes, fine, I'm a huge fan of everyone involved in P&G, but I don't think this is the kind of film that inspires a lot of passion ( like Roma ) to bring nominations in major categories , this is a film about creative process and this year that might not seem enough to back it up. And if somehow becomes the flavor of the season, I could start predicting the thinkpieces of why "The Firs Desire" storyline is problematic.
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Post by Zeb31 on Aug 14, 2019 16:59:52 GMT
Eh, I don't see it. She's barely in it and has next to nothing to do.
De Tavira isn't the best comparison here because at least she had considerable screentime and reasonably showy scenes like the "we are all alone" monologue. Add to that the fact that Pain & Glory is unlikely to be a massive contender like Roma was and I don't think Cruz is happening.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 14, 2019 23:19:31 GMT
De Tavira isn't the best comparison here because at least she had considerable screentime and reasonably showy scenes like the "we are all alone" monologue. Did she though? She was exclusively in medium/long shots for the most part and doesn't the "we are all alone" monologue pan around to her listening children? I might be remembering that wrong but I DO remember that she never seemed like the dramatic focus of her scenes by virtue of how Cuaron shot around her, from behind her, or from a distance. She doesn't even have that much dialogue and isn't her monologue really short? I'm still shocked she got nominated and any defense mentioning considerable screentime or showy scenes doesn't check out, because she really didn't have those. Cuaron kept her perpetually in the background, even in her own scenes. 100% agree that Cruz seems unlikely though. I also don't expect there to be as much a need to just hurl any and every accolade at this thing like they did for Roma. Honestly if Roma hadn't overperformed generally and been a BD / BP frontrunner, I doubt de Tavira would have even been considered and I don't think P&G will have anywhere near that support. What also helped De Tavira's narrative was her friendship with Aparicio. If you're in the business of rewarding/honoring people via the nomination process, I can see how voters might have seen them as a two-for-one deal. And when they did indeed get nominated together it made for one hell of a sweet story. |
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Post by jimmalone on Aug 15, 2019 15:46:38 GMT
Really don't think so.
Banderas and also screenplay can happen.
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Post by stephen on Aug 15, 2019 15:56:42 GMT
Highly, highly, highly doubt it. Even if you wanna throw Marina de Tavira up as an example, she at least had a nomination juggernaut and critical darling at her back, and Netflix was really pushing hard for Roma. The Academy likes Cruz, it's true, but it is a tiny, unflashy role that, quite honestly, she does very little with as it is.
At this stage, I'm beginning to wonder if even Banderas can sustain momentum.
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Post by Zeb31 on Aug 15, 2019 16:21:04 GMT
De Tavira isn't the best comparison here because at least she had considerable screentime and reasonably showy scenes like the "we are all alone" monologue. Did she though? She was exclusively in medium/long shots for the most part and doesn't the "we are all alone" monologue pan around to her listening children? I might be remembering that wrong but I DO remember that she never seemed like the dramatic focus of her scenes by virtue of how Cuaron shot around her, from behind her, or from a distance. She doesn't even have that much dialogue and isn't her monologue really short? I'm still shocked she got nominated and any defense mentioning considerable screentime or showy scenes doesn't check out, because she really didn't have those. Cuaron kept her perpetually in the background, even in her own scenes. That's still way more material than Cruz gets to work with. Also, unlike De Tavira, Cruz isn't even the flashiest supporting player here. Asier Etxeandia as the former leading man/friend, Leonardo Sbaraglia as the former lover, and even Julieta Serrano as the ailing mother all get more to do than Cruz does, and I'm almost willing to bet that they all have more screentime too. If Cruz gets traction, it'll be due to name recognition and the industry's willingness to throw her some "welcome back" love, which I don't really see. I have to echo Stephen here and say that even Banderas isn't a sure thing given how subdued his work is and how jam-packed the category is shaping up to be, and I say this as someone who quite liked the film. |
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Post by MsMovieStar on Aug 26, 2019 18:27:27 GMT
Oh honeys, I love pene... but I found her role very incomplete... almost a cameo. Something about this movie didn't really grab me. I kept waiting for some momentus conclusion to each character, especially hers and it was lacking. This was Banderas' show, but even then, he lacked the dynamic sexiness of The Skin I Live in, and seemed almost whiney. I'm not sure that this movie would appeal to the Academy, unless they are all hard core Almodovar fans.
César Vicente was the stand out for me. I'd really like to see even more of him...
Did anyone else have a continuity problem with Pene and Julieta Serrano having different eye color? It didn't seem to bother my date, who was annoyed that it was taking me so long to undress...
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Post by avnermoriarti on Aug 26, 2019 22:39:22 GMT
Oh honeys, I love pene... but I found her role very incomplete... almost a cameo. Something about this movie didn't really grab me. I kept waiting for some momentus conclusion to each character, especially hers and it was lacking. This was Banderas' show, but even then, he lacked the dynamic sexiness of The Skin I Live in, and seemed almost whiney. I'm not sure that this movie would appeal to the Academy, unless they are all hard core Almodovar fans. César Vicente was the stand out for me. I'd really like to see even more of him... Did anyone else have a continuity problem with Pene and Julieta Serrano having different eye color? It didn't seem to bother my date, who was annoyed that it was taking me so long to undress... Honey, we all know how much you love pene, no need to say it all the time Yeah, the more I think about it the more disappointed I am on this film and the new direction Almodovar has taken, he still needs to find the right tone, but is such a weird thing that many auteurs, heavy weights of cinema are making more restrained films these days. Is such a weird state for films right now. I thought Serrano was kind of annoying, as well as the Salvador character and all his physical pain -my back hurts, so i can’t make movies- jezzz It would’ve been fantastic to feel my first desire to Cesar Vicente, haha, he’s an entrancing presence. I think a movie about that would be more interesting, or about the play The Addiction ( I thought Etxeandia was pretty good ), more theatricality and drama, that’s what is lacking in Almodovar work nowadays. Still, I really liked Banderas performance, it felt more like a vampire drank Almodovar blood and somehow inhabited Salvador’s body, it wasn’t a pure act of mimicry, but an understanding of the person. |
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Post by MsMovieStar on Aug 26, 2019 23:59:08 GMT
Oh honeys, I love pene... but I found her role very incomplete... almost a cameo. Something about this movie didn't really grab me. I kept waiting for some momentus conclusion to each character, especially hers and it was lacking. This was Banderas' show, but even then, he lacked the dynamic sexiness of The Skin I Live in, and seemed almost whiney. I'm not sure that this movie would appeal to the Academy, unless they are all hard core Almodovar fans. César Vicente was the stand out for me. I'd really like to see even more of him... Did anyone else have a continuity problem with Pene and Julieta Serrano having different eye color? It didn't seem to bother my date, who was annoyed that it was taking me so long to undress... Honey, we all know how much you love pene, no need to say it all the time Yeah, the more I think about it the more disappointed I am on this film and the new direction Almodovar has taken, he still needs to find the right tone, but is such a weird thing that many auteurs, heavy weights of cinema are making more restrained films these days. Is such a weird state for films right now. I thought Serrano was kind of annoying, as well as the Salvador character and all his physical pain -my back hurts, so i can’t make movies- jezzz It would’ve been fantastic to feel my first desire to Cesar Vicente, haha, he’s an entrancing presence. I think a movie about that would be more interesting, or about the play The Addiction ( I thought Etxeandia was pretty good ), more theatricality and drama, that’s what is lacking in Almodovar work nowadays. Still, I really liked Banderas performance, it felt more like a vampire drank Almodovar blood and somehow inhabited Salvador’s body, it wasn’t a pure act of mimicry, but an understanding of the person. Oh honey, Do you think this was this autobiographical - Is Al a smack head? I think a movie about a girl group of frustrated laundresses wasting world class flamenco talents and taking it out on the environment by poisoning fishes with soap and smothering the vegetation - Eco terrorists... but that sounds more Alex de la Iglesias than Almodovar. |
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Post by avnermoriarti on Aug 27, 2019 4:04:22 GMT
Honey, we all know how much you love pene, no need to say it all the time Yeah, the more I think about it the more disappointed I am on this film and the new direction Almodovar has taken, he still needs to find the right tone, but is such a weird thing that many auteurs, heavy weights of cinema are making more restrained films these days. Is such a weird state for films right now. I thought Serrano was kind of annoying, as well as the Salvador character and all his physical pain -my back hurts, so i can’t make movies- jezzz It would’ve been fantastic to feel my first desire to Cesar Vicente, haha, he’s an entrancing presence. I think a movie about that would be more interesting, or about the play The Addiction ( I thought Etxeandia was pretty good ), more theatricality and drama, that’s what is lacking in Almodovar work nowadays. Still, I really liked Banderas performance, it felt more like a vampire drank Almodovar blood and somehow inhabited Salvador’s body, it wasn’t a pure act of mimicry, but an understanding of the person. Oh honey, Do you think this was this autobiographical - Is Al a smack head? I think a movie about a girl group of frustrated laundresses wasting world class flamenco talents and taking it out on the environment by poisoning fishes with soap and smothering the vegetation - Eco terrorists... but that sounds more Alex de la Iglesias than Almodovar. Al goes by Almodovar ? If yes, I don't think he is like that but a perfectionist maybe and that can rub the wrong way, but he did talk in press conferences about he having pains while writing this films, but I just don't see the point... Love that plot, co founding, just saying, haha, although there's this duo who made a film called Diamantino last year and I think they can pull it off, just read the synopsis or watch a couple of stills and you'll see, but maybe it has to be samba dancers instead of flamenco |
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