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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 29, 2019 19:01:06 GMT
I can't remember the last time there was actual Oscar discussion about Pacino. Since 1992 I mean... And after all these years we really talking about it! Yeah, that feels good Donnie Brasco, I think. He had a real shot of a nod there, but just didn't make it in the end.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 29, 2019 19:07:42 GMT
I can't remember the last time there was actual Oscar discussion about Pacino. Since 1992 I mean... And after all these years we really talking about it! Yeah, that feels good Probably not seriously since 2004 and Merchant of Venice - oh wait, am I trying to beef up his credentials by just talking about his actual work - sorry stephen - sarcasm That of course doesn't mean he doesn't have plenty of special work total - in fact in the 2010s, his low point I'd argue that if he's as good as advertised in The Irishman this is his 7th "better than good performance" of the decade - YDK Jack, The Humbling, Manglehorn, Phil Spector, Paterno, Danny Collins, plus a Tony nomination for Merchant of Venice. Now there's a lot of crap in there but 7 very good/great performances is astounding - a lot of actors at their peak do not have that. I always tell the story that basically around 2012-2013 I thought he was done and YDK Jack at age 70 was the last great thing he'd ever do .........so this kind of stuff does make it fun to be a fan.
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Post by Javi on Sept 29, 2019 20:05:39 GMT
I can't remember the last time there was actual Oscar discussion about Pacino. Since 1992 I mean... And after all these years we really talking about it! Yeah, that feels good And a 47-year gap between first and (so far) last nod. Damn impressive. Only one year short of the all-time record in any category (Katharine Hepburn's 48-year run from 33 to 81).
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Post by wallsofjericho on Sept 29, 2019 20:14:27 GMT
I think Pitt will still win just based on the year he has had and if The Irishman ends up sweeping the top categories then they may want to award OUATIH in this category.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 29, 2019 20:15:04 GMT
I can't remember the last time there was actual Oscar discussion about Pacino. Since 1992 I mean... And after all these years we really talking about it! Yeah, that feels good Probably not seriously since 2004 and Merchant of Venice - oh wait, am I trying to beef up his credentials by just talking about his actual work - sorry stephen - sarcasm Yeah, that's what I thought, Merchant of Venice. For the supporting category, iirc.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 29, 2019 20:17:53 GMT
I can't remember the last time there was actual Oscar discussion about Pacino. Since 1992 I mean... And after all these years we really talking about it! Yeah, that feels good Donnie Brasco, I think. He had a real shot of a nod there, but just didn't make it in the end. Something (I can't remember what) went wrong with Donnie Brasco. It was released early 1997 and not late 1996 (that was the initial plan). Pacino supposedly had a chance of getting nominated but didn't make it.
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Post by filmnoir on Sept 29, 2019 20:23:37 GMT
Pacino is one of the only actors of his legendary stature to only have one Oscar. DeNiro, Brando, Hackman, Hoffman, Nicholson, ect all have two or three. Washington and Hanks as well. Not only do I think the fact that he’s won won’t mean much, I think a smart distributor could actually push a narrative for him being due for another. He’s never even been nominated for SAG, let alone won, for instance. It's Pacino's performance that needs to be pushed - vs the narrative that he is due to win. We all saw how the later backfired for Glenn Close. Granted, The Irishman will be a much bigger Oscar player than The Wife. I also don't think AMPAS voters will think in terms of how he only has 1 Oscar compared to other actors of his stature.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 29, 2019 20:27:20 GMT
Do people keep forgetting that Pitt has an Oscar? I really don’t think he can play the overdue card over Al Pacino who most would say deserves more than one. Considering it wasn't for acting or even directing, I imagine even Academy members probably have a hard time remembering. It was just a few years ago. I’m sure they know he has a production company.
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Post by quetee on Sept 29, 2019 20:35:54 GMT
It doesn’t matter at all for Pacino’s chances that Pesci is getting great ink unless he’s actually nominated. And I’m still not sure that’s going to happen. This is a crazy year for Supporting Actor, so we’ll see what happens there. Pacino is one of the only actors of his legendary stature to only have one Oscar. DeNiro, Brando, Hackman, Hoffman, Nicholson, ect all have two or three. Washington and Hanks as well. Not only do I think the fact that he’s won won’t mean much, I think a smart distributor could actually push a narrative for him being due for another. He’s never even been nominated for SAG, let alone won, for instance. Everything I’ve read suggests to me that Pacino has a much more showy, Oscar friendly part than Pitt. I think it comes down to these two and will depend on who has the stronger vehicle and who campaigns more. As long as Pacino avoids the internal comp potential issue, I think his chances are nearly on par with Pitt’s for the win. Could explain why Brad has already gone on record about how he does not plan on campaigning.
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Post by mattfincher on Sept 29, 2019 21:21:47 GMT
The only trepidation with Pacino is there are A LOT of people who prefer Pesci if you actually read the reviews and not just the tweets. I think Pesci's probably in at this point even if it's subtle or internalized or whatever. Critics are pushing him too much. This isn't some Rockwell/Harrelson situation where the general consensus clearly preferred one over the other. They're similar in the sense one is more showy, but the acclaim is a lot more even handed than it was for Rockwell and Harrelson. Wouldn't surprise me if they split the vote and the race ends up circling back to being Pitt vs Hanks. Anyways, Hanks/Hopkins/Pacino/Pesci/Pitt is clearly the top 5 here atm and it's hard for me to imagine anyone being able to break in at this point. Maybe Foxx if Just Mercy has a resurgence or Bale if they push him supporting and the film becomes a box office hit (this needs to happen for the film to score above the line noms with a 70 Metacritic score), but they seem unlikely. Lithgow had some buzz from Bombshell test screenings, but the role also sounded relatively small and limited in dimension. That's not going to cut it in this field. It's why Alda now has no chance despite being beloved and in a top tier contender.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 29, 2019 21:31:24 GMT
The only trepidation with Pacino is there are A LOT of people who prefer Pesci if you actually read the reviews and not just the tweets. I think Pesci's probably in at this point even if it's subtle or internalized or whatever. Critics are pushing him too much. This isn't some Rockwell/Harrelson situation where the general consensus clearly preferred one over the other. They're similar in the sense one is more showy, but the acclaim is a lot more even handed than it was for Rockwell and Harrelson. Wouldn't surprise me if they split the vote and the race ends up circling back to being Pitt vs Hanks. Anyways, Hanks/Hopkins/Pacino/Pesci/Pitt is clearly the top 5 here atm and it's hard for me to imagine anyone being able to break in at this point. Maybe Foxx if Just Mercy has a resurgence or Bale if they push him supporting and the film becomes a box office hit (this needs to happen for the film to score above the line noms with a 70 Metacritic score), but they seem unlikely. Lithgow had some buzz from Bombshell test screenings, but the role also sounded relatively small and limited in dimension. That's not going to cut it in this field. It's why Alda now has no chance despite being beloved and in a top tier contender. Can't ignore Dafoe. He's been on a run with Oscar the last few years, and I have a feeling he might possibly end up as one of the critics awards favorites, as The Lighthouse is a critics kind of movie, and it'll need their push to get it into Oscars view.
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Post by mattfincher on Sept 29, 2019 21:33:36 GMT
The only trepidation with Pacino is there are A LOT of people who prefer Pesci if you actually read the reviews and not just the tweets. I think Pesci's probably in at this point even if it's subtle or internalized or whatever. Critics are pushing him too much. This isn't some Rockwell/Harrelson situation where the general consensus clearly preferred one over the other. They're similar in the sense one is more showy, but the acclaim is a lot more even handed than it was for Rockwell and Harrelson. Wouldn't surprise me if they split the vote and the race ends up circling back to being Pitt vs Hanks. Anyways, Hanks/Hopkins/Pacino/Pesci/Pitt is clearly the top 5 here atm and it's hard for me to imagine anyone being able to break in at this point. Maybe Foxx if Just Mercy has a resurgence or Bale if they push him supporting and the film becomes a box office hit (this needs to happen for the film to score above the line noms with a 70 Metacritic score), but they seem unlikely. Lithgow had some buzz from Bombshell test screenings, but the role also sounded relatively small and limited in dimension. That's not going to cut it in this field. It's why Alda now has no chance despite being beloved and in a top tier contender. Can't ignore Dafoe. He's been on a run with Oscar the last few years, and I have a feeling he might possibly end up as one of the critics awards favorites, as The Lighthouse is a critics kind of movie, and it'll need their push to get it into Oscars view. I’ve seen The Lighthouse. Dafoe isn’t getting in for a film that weird in this field. Not his fault, he’s great in it, but it’s just not happening.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 29, 2019 21:39:31 GMT
Can't ignore Dafoe. He's been on a run with Oscar the last few years, and I have a feeling he might possibly end up as one of the critics awards favorites, as The Lighthouse is a critics kind of movie, and it'll need their push to get it into Oscars view. I’ve seen The Lighthouse. Dafoe isn’t getting in for a film that weird in this field. Not his fault, he’s great in it, but it’s just not happening. Not even if critics push him to the point where voters just perceive him as an automatic top 5 pick? (Let's be honest... there are probably plenty of voters that tick names based on buzz or whose winning prizes or whatever, as they don't have the time or the patience to watch all the movies. I still remember Samuel L Jackson letting his maid vote for him ).
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Post by mattfincher on Sept 29, 2019 22:14:06 GMT
I’ve seen The Lighthouse. Dafoe isn’t getting in for a film that weird in this field. Not his fault, he’s great in it, but it’s just not happening. Not even if critics push him to the point where voters just perceive him as an automatic top 5 pick? (Let's be honest... there are probably plenty of voters that tick names based on buzz or whose winning prizes or whatever, as they don't have the time or the patience to watch all the movies. I still remember Samuel L Jackson letting his maid vote for him ). What good did that do Ethan Hawke in what I would argue was a more accessible film? Look at the names at the top of this field, they’re all icons. This isn’t a year where people are going to be struggling to fill a slot on their ballot and just throw Dafoe on there because they feel it’s the right thing or whatever.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 29, 2019 22:26:30 GMT
Not even if critics push him to the point where voters just perceive him as an automatic top 5 pick? (Let's be honest... there are probably plenty of voters that tick names based on buzz or whose winning prizes or whatever, as they don't have the time or the patience to watch all the movies. I still remember Samuel L Jackson letting his maid vote for him ). What good did that do Ethan Hawke in what I would argue was a more accessible film? Look at the names at the top of this field, they’re all icons. This isn’t a year where people are going to be struggling to fill a slot on their ballot and just throw Dafoe on there because they feel it’s the right thing or whatever. Good point about Hawke, but I'd say that may have been more the exception than the rule. More often than not in recent years, when Critics give an actor a sweep (or near-sweep) they very often lock up their nominations. Truth be told, I'm not especially sold on Dafoe cracking this race either, but stranger things have happened.
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Post by doddgerhardt on Sept 29, 2019 22:51:51 GMT
What good did that do Ethan Hawke in what I would argue was a more accessible film? Look at the names at the top of this field, they’re all icons. This isn’t a year where people are going to be struggling to fill a slot on their ballot and just throw Dafoe on there because they feel it’s the right thing or whatever. Good point about Hawke, but I'd say that may have been more the exception than the rule. More often than not in recent years, when Critics give an actor a sweep (or near-sweep) they very often lock up their nominations. Truth be told, I'm not especially sold on Dafoe cracking this race either, but stranger things have happened. If Dafoe does that’s what his 3rd nomination in a row? Another one of our finest actors who has never won.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 30, 2019 10:34:09 GMT
I'm feeling a bit more bullish on Dolemite Is My Name again. It hasn't got the buzz of some other contenders currently, but it may be being wildly underestimated across the board. Been reading that it's been getting great reactions at SAG screenings in the last few days, it's 97% score on Rotten Tomatoes (with 38 reviews counted) is incredibly impressive. And it's a movie about the industry. All that is to say that while it'll be very hard for him to get in with the level of competition, I think Wesley Snipes is still in play in this category (and he's got a great narrative. It should be almost impossible to miss with his ink, but I'm actually slightly concerned that Tom Hanks may get his annual snub again ) . Nice article on Dolemite from AwardsDaily. Mainly focuses on Eddie Murphy as the films biggest contender, but feels the movie should contend for Best Picture, Best Supporting Actress (Da'Vine Joy Randolph), Orginal Screenplay, Costume Design, and of course Best Supporting Actor for Snipes.
www.awardsdaily.com/2019/09/29/best-actor-make-room-for-eddie-murphy-in-dolemite-is-my-name/
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 30, 2019 11:48:10 GMT
I'm feeling a bit more bullish on Dolemite Is My Name again. It hasn't got the buzz of some other contenders currently, but it may be being wildly underestimated across the board. Been reading that it's been getting great reactions at SAG screenings in the last few days, it's 97% score on Rotten Tomatoes (with 38 reviews counted) is incredibly impressive. And it's a movie about the industry. All that is to say that while it'll be very hard for him to get in with the level of competition, I think Wesley Snipes is still in play in this category (and he's got a great narrative. It should be almost impossible to miss with his ink, but I'm actually slightly concerned that Tom Hanks may get his annual snub again ) . Nice article on Dolemite from AwardsDaily. Mainly focuses on Eddie Murphy as the films biggest contender, but feels the movie should contend for Best Picture, Best Supporting Actress (Da'Vine Joy Randolph), Orginal Screenplay, Costume Design, and of course Best Supporting Actor for Snipes.
www.awardsdaily.com/2019/09/29/best-actor-make-room-for-eddie-murphy-in-dolemite-is-my-name/Actually I liked what I saw from Snipes in the trailer. But the category will be fully stacked this year. I see no room for him. If Dafoe or Hopkins or Bale or Pesci won't make it, then perhaps Snipes will get a chance. But atm I feel it's not happening. There are a lot of "ifs" in the way.
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Post by thomasjerome on Sept 30, 2019 12:36:36 GMT
I'm feeling a bit more bullish on Dolemite Is My Name again. It hasn't got the buzz of some other contenders currently, but it may be being wildly underestimated across the board. Been reading that it's been getting great reactions at SAG screenings in the last few days, it's 97% score on Rotten Tomatoes (with 38 reviews counted) is incredibly impressive. And it's a movie about the industry. All that is to say that while it'll be very hard for him to get in with the level of competition, I think Wesley Snipes is still in play in this category (and he's got a great narrative. It should be almost impossible to miss with his ink, but I'm actually slightly concerned that Tom Hanks may get his annual snub again ) . Nice article on Dolemite from AwardsDaily. Mainly focuses on Eddie Murphy as the films biggest contender, but feels the movie should contend for Best Picture, Best Supporting Actress (Da'Vine Joy Randolph), Orginal Screenplay, Costume Design, and of course Best Supporting Actor for Snipes.
www.awardsdaily.com/2019/09/29/best-actor-make-room-for-eddie-murphy-in-dolemite-is-my-name/As much as I'd like Snipes to happen for anything, he's not even the fourth priority for Netflix. We have Pesci and Pacino from "Irishman", Alda and Liotta from "Marriage Story" and Hopkins from "The Two Popes", all three films have got much, much better reviews. If Snipes doesn't get a surprise push from critics - which I don't see it happening - he's not getting nominated for anything (at least individually, I don't count out SAG ensemble nom). Though I hope it'll bring him more opportunities in the future. He was a great action star but that action star persona somewhat made him underrated, people kept forget that he is a gifted dramatic (Jungle Fever, Waterdance, New Jack City) and comedic actor (Major League, Wong Foo).
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Post by iheartamyadams on Sept 30, 2019 12:52:11 GMT
Pacino is one of the only actors of his legendary stature to only have one Oscar. DeNiro, Brando, Hackman, Hoffman, Nicholson, ect all have two or three. Washington and Hanks as well. Not only do I think the fact that he’s won won’t mean much, I think a smart distributor could actually push a narrative for him being due for another. He’s never even been nominated for SAG, let alone won, for instance. It's Pacino's performance that needs to be pushed - vs the narrative that he is due to win. We all saw how the later backfired for Glenn Close. Granted, The Irishman will be a much bigger Oscar player than The Wife. I also don't think AMPAS voters will think in terms of how he only has 1 Oscar compared to other actors of his stature. Close gave an internalized, subtle performance and was a lone nom. She was riding entirely on narrative vs an explosive performance in a top three film. I don’t think comparison works here.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Sept 30, 2019 12:57:59 GMT
I'm feeling a bit more bullish on Dolemite Is My Name again. It hasn't got the buzz of some other contenders currently, but it may be being wildly underestimated across the board. Been reading that it's been getting great reactions at SAG screenings in the last few days, it's 97% score on Rotten Tomatoes (with 38 reviews counted) is incredibly impressive. And it's a movie about the industry. All that is to say that while it'll be very hard for him to get in with the level of competition, I think Wesley Snipes is still in play in this category (and he's got a great narrative. It should be almost impossible to miss with his ink, but I'm actually slightly concerned that Tom Hanks may get his annual snub again ) . Nice article on Dolemite from AwardsDaily. Mainly focuses on Eddie Murphy as the films biggest contender, but feels the movie should contend for Best Picture, Best Supporting Actress (Da'Vine Joy Randolph), Orginal Screenplay, Costume Design, and of course Best Supporting Actor for Snipes.
www.awardsdaily.com/2019/09/29/best-actor-make-room-for-eddie-murphy-in-dolemite-is-my-name/As much as I'd like Snipes to happen for anything, he's not even the fourth priority for Netflix. We have Pesci and Pacino from "Irishman", Alda and Liotta from "Marriage Story" and Hopkins from "The Two Popes", all three films have got much, much better reviews. If Snipes doesn't get a surprise push from critics - which I don't see it happening - he's not getting nominated for anything (at least individually, I don't count out SAG ensemble nom). Though I hope it'll bring him more opportunities in the future. He was a great action star but that action star persona somewhat made him underrated, people kept forget that he is a gifted dramatic (Jungle Fever, Waterdance, New Jack City) and comedic actor (Major League, Wong Foo). That’s such a big thing imo and it’s why I refuse to take Dolemite seriously as a contender beyond Murphy having an outside chance. It couldn’t be anymore obvious that it’s going to be a casualty of a distributor having too much to struggle. I am even skeptical of Two Popes and that probably has better chances
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 30, 2019 13:41:37 GMT
As much as I'd like Snipes to happen for anything, he's not even the fourth priority for Netflix. We have Pesci and Pacino from "Irishman", Alda and Liotta from "Marriage Story" and Hopkins from "The Two Popes", all three films have got much, much better reviews. If Snipes doesn't get a surprise push from critics - which I don't see it happening - he's not getting nominated for anything (at least individually, I don't count out SAG ensemble nom). Though I hope it'll bring him more opportunities in the future. He was a great action star but that action star persona somewhat made him underrated, people kept forget that he is a gifted dramatic (Jungle Fever, Waterdance, New Jack City) and comedic actor (Major League, Wong Foo). That’s such a big thing imo and it’s why I refuse to take Dolemite seriously as a contender beyond Murphy having an outside chance. It couldn’t be anymore obvious that it’s going to be a casualty of a distributor having too much to struggle. I am even skeptical of Two Popes and that probably has better chances Again, I really dislike this yearly tendency to bumrush viable contenders out the door without looking at the bigger picture. Happens every season. Dolemite Is a movie voters will actually watch because it looks fun, and not like homework. It'll get Best Pic nods in the comedy categories at places like the Globes and Critics Choice. Is it really hard to envisage SAG giving it an ensemble nod? With the make-up of voters changing in recent years, you really think we are going to get a Best Picture line-up with pretty much all white casts? Hasn't happened for awhile.They've just gotten people to stop talking about #OscarsSoWhite. Voters are not looking for a re-run of that shit. With Harriet looking almost dead on arrival with it's reviews, and Just Mercy not looking super-strong either, we are left with the likelihood that Dolemite will be the strongest film left with a majority ethnic cast. You think voters will not be attracted to that? This is just basic common sense. Don't matter if Netflix has 50 contenders on deck. There are hardly any contenders with majority non-white casts. Dolemite will start standing out a lot when people start realising how white the Best Pic line-up could end up looking. Will it get nodded? Hell if I know. But it's really strange not to take that angle into account
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Post by iheartamyadams on Sept 30, 2019 13:54:20 GMT
That’s such a big thing imo and it’s why I refuse to take Dolemite seriously as a contender beyond Murphy having an outside chance. It couldn’t be anymore obvious that it’s going to be a casualty of a distributor having too much to struggle. I am even skeptical of Two Popes and that probably has better chances Again, I really dislike this yearly tendency to bumrush viable contenders out the door without looking at the bigger picture. Happens every season. Dolemite Is a movie voters will actually watch because it looks fun, and not like homework. It'll get Best Pic nods in the comedy categories at places like the Globes and Critics Choice. Is it really hard to envisage SAG giving it an ensemble nod? With the make-up of voters changing in recent years, you really think we are going to get a Best Picture line-up with pretty much all white casts? Hasn't happened for awhile.They've just gotten people to stop talking about #OscarsSoWhite. Voters are not looking for a re-run of that shit. With Harriet looking almost dead on arrival with it's reviews, and Just Mercy not looking super-strong either, we are left with the likelihood that Dolemite will be the strongest film left with a majority ethnic cast. [/b] You think voters will not be attracted to that? This is just basic common sense. Don't matter if Netflix has 50 contenders on deck. There are hardly any contenders with majority non-white casts. Dolemite will start standing out a lot when people start realising how white the Best Pic line-up could end up looking. Will it get nodded? Hell if I know. But it's really strange not to take that angle into account[/span][/div][/quote] “Parasite” is surely getting a BP nom and I’d put “The Farewell” in the 7-10 range for a nom as well. Sure, it’s probabkg not going to be the most diverse line-up we’ve had in recent years, but it’s not going to be an all white group of films regardless of whether Domelite happens or not. As for Dolemite, I think you’re just in stan mode here. Sorry. For instance, you used 2-3 pundits thinking De Niro was least likely for a nom to suggest that he’s vulnerable (you’re not wrong here), but are conveniently ignoring that hardly any pundits are even entertaining the idea of a BP nom for Dolemite (nor are many predicting Murphy) as you continue to insist it’s a contender. Your logic is faulty, and I think you’re just blindly stanning at this point. I do think Murphy has a solid shot at a SAG nom, and I think he could win GG. Neither of these are out of realm of possibility. And if those happen, stats would give him a decent shot at a nomination. But that’s about as far as I can see this going in above the line categories.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 30, 2019 13:59:25 GMT
Again, I really dislike this yearly tendency to bumrush viable contenders out the door without looking at the bigger picture. Happens every season. Dolemite Is a movie voters will actually watch because it looks fun, and not like homework. It'll get Best Pic nods in the comedy categories at places like the Globes and Critics Choice. Is it really hard to envisage SAG giving it an ensemble nod? With the make-up of voters changing in recent years, you really think we are going to get a Best Picture line-up with pretty much all white casts? Hasn't happened for awhile.They've just gotten people to stop talking about #OscarsSoWhite. Voters are not looking for a re-run of that shit. With Harriet looking almost dead on arrival with it's reviews, and Just Mercy not looking super-strong either, we are left with the likelihood that Dolemite will be the strongest film left with a majority ethnic cast. You think voters will not be attracted to that? This is just basic common sense. Don't matter if Netflix has 50 contenders on deck. There are hardly any contenders with majority non-white casts. Dolemite will start standing out a lot when people start realising how white the Best Pic line-up could end up looking. Will it get nodded? Hell if I know. But it's really strange not to take that angle into account I think you’re just in stan mode here. Sorry. For instance, you used 2-3 pundits thinking De Niro was least likely for a nom to suggest that he’s vulnerable (you’re not wrong here), but are conveniently ignoring that hardly any pundits are even entertaining the idea of a BP nom for Dolemite (nor are many predicting Murphy) as you continue to insist it’s a contender. Your logic is faulty, and I think you’re just blindly stanning at this point. I do think Murphy has a solid shot at a SAG nom, and I think he could win GG. Neither of these are out of realm of possibility. And if those happen, stats would give him a decent shot at a nomination. But that’s about as far as I can see this going in above the line categories. I'm not in Stan anything. I like Murphy and consider him a legend, but don't Stan him. I'm looking at the bigger picture, and I've given perfectly credible reasons why Dolemite can happen.Not to say it will happen. You on the other hand are completely shutting the door on even the possibility, for reasons of your own. I think in this instance, I'm being the more reasonable party. You are one of those people that like to bumrush contenders out of the door every year, and when you've set your mind on it, it's almost impossible to convince you otherwise. And you've been wrong a lot.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 30, 2019 17:09:23 GMT
Ok...Pacino may have a major Joe Pesci problem. I know stephen alluded to Pesci being more a critics thing, while Pacino was more likely to be an industry thing. But some cursory anecdotal evidence suggests Pesci is playing extremely well with industry folk .Duvernay and Lyonne are industry players. If they are this hyped over Pesci, we may have to reconsider who the actual biggest contender among the Irishman actors actually is.
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