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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 5, 2019 3:25:18 GMT
Chuck NorrisGenre: ActionThere are few irrefutable facts in life. One of them is that Chuck Norris is a fucking badass! Chuck Norris is so badass, that he took one look at your girlfriend, and nine months later this chick gave birth to a bouncing baby boy. Chuck Norris started out as a legit non-movie badass. Having black belts in various martial arts and all that good shit. None of these martial arts were good enough for Sensei Chuck, so he invented his own martial art ( Chun Kuk Do) and gave himself a black belt in that shit, like the true badass he is. Badasses naturally gravitate to each other, you see. It's the way of the fist! So when Bruce Lee first saw Sensei Chuck kicking ass in some martial arts tourney, a badass friendship was born. Bruce and Sensei Chuck became friends and trained together, thinking up ever more imaginative ways to kick the shit out of people. What a time it must have been to be alive! In 1972, Sensei Chuck starrred as Bruce Lee's white guy enemy in Way Of The Dragon. But Chuck was never destined to be some disposable gwailo.
Chucks movie career really came alive in the 1980's. While he utilised his martial arts training In his roles, he started drlifting away from martial arts specific films to general action movies. And being Chuck Fuckin' Norris, he crushed that shit. Lone Wolf McQuade, Missing In Action, Invasion U.S.A.
Even writing the titles of those movies has given me a testosterone boost! But my absolute favorite of Sensei Chucks badass action oveure is 1986's Delta Force, where Chuck starred opposite another badass, Lee Marvin. Sensei Chuck starred as a character called The Major, while Marvin played a character called The Colonel. I'm not even making this shit up! Anyway, what Delta Force tells us is that if he were in his prime, Chuck could have single handedly ended terrorism. I truly believe that. My favorite scene from Delta Force, where Chuck takes out some scumbag terrorists with missiles flying out the ass of his motorcycle, while going on to do a wheelie and surfing on seat of said bike to get on a plane. God bless Sensei Chuck! Gotta admit, the whole "sensei Chuck bit" made me chuckle. Being a bit more serious here, it's arguable Norris peaked early on in his career with those American Cinema Productions like The Octagon, that were big moneymakers. If that studio hadn't gone under so soon, who knows what would have happened to his career. Of course he also plenty of success with Canon films. The Delta Force, and Invasion U.S.A., were films that I used to watch in the morning on AMC irregularly, when I had school off. Patriotic badass. One of my favorite Chuck Norris films hasn't been mentioned yet, is Code of Silence, which is generally considered by most to be his best period. Probably helps that it was directed by Andrew Davis, the best filmmaker he ever worked with, who also made Under Siege and The Fugitive. Unlike his other shlock but sometimes fun actioneers, it's actually a real slick and solid cop-thriller, with a supremely thrilling train sequence, which I couldn't find online, but I'll admit that I never wanted to end. Of course as proven in this scene in Invasion U.S.A., Norris is so awesome, that he can have a one on one fight with a rocket launcher in a hallway, and win.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 5, 2019 3:55:45 GMT
Chuck NorrisGenre: ActionThere are few irrefutable facts in life. One of them is that Chuck Norris is a fucking badass! Chuck Norris is so badass, that he took one look at your girlfriend, and nine months later this chick gave birth to a bouncing baby boy. Chuck Norris started out as a legit non-movie badass. Having black belts in various martial arts and all that good shit. None of these martial arts were good enough for Sensei Chuck, so he invented his own martial art ( Chun Kuk Do) and gave himself a black belt in that shit, like the true badass he is. Badasses naturally gravitate to each other, you see. It's the way of the fist! So when Bruce Lee first saw Sensei Chuck kicking ass in some martial arts tourney, a badass friendship was born. Bruce and Sensei Chuck became friends and trained together, thinking up ever more imaginative ways to kick the shit out of people. What a time it must have been to be alive! In 1972, Sensei Chuck starrred as Bruce Lee's white guy enemy in Way Of The Dragon. But Chuck was never destined to be some disposable gwailo.
Chucks movie career really came alive in the 1980's. While he utilised his martial arts training In his roles, he started drlifting away from martial arts specific films to general action movies. And being Chuck Fuckin' Norris, he crushed that shit. Lone Wolf McQuade, Missing In Action, Invasion U.S.A.
Even writing the titles of those movies has given me a testosterone boost! But my absolute favorite of Sensei Chucks badass action oveure is 1986's Delta Force, where Chuck starred opposite another badass, Lee Marvin. Sensei Chuck starred as a character called The Major, while Marvin played a character called The Colonel. I'm not even making this shit up! Anyway, what Delta Force tells us is that if he were in his prime, Chuck could have single handedly ended terrorism. I truly believe that. My favorite scene from Delta Force, where Chuck takes out some scumbag terrorists with missiles flying out the ass of his motorcycle, while going on to do a wheelie and surfing on seat of said bike to get on a plane. God bless Sensei Chuck! Gotta admit, the whole "sensei Chuck bit" made me chuckle. Being a bit more serious here, it's arguable Norris peaked early on in his career with those American Cinema Productions like The Octagon, that were big moneymakers. If that studio hadn't gone under so soon, who knows what would have happened to his career. Of course he also plenty of success with Canon films. The Delta Force, and Invasion U.S.A., were films that I used to watch in the morning on AMC irregularly, when I had school off. Patriotic badass. One of my favorite Chuck Norris films hasn't been mentioned yet, is Code of Silence, which is generally considered by most to be his best period. Probably helps that it was directed by Andrew Davis, the best filmmaker he ever worked with, who also made Under Siege and The Fugitive. Unlike his other shlock but sometimes fun actioneers, it's actually a real slick and solid cop-thriller, with a supremely thrilling train sequence, which I couldn't find online, but I'll admit that I never wanted to end. Of course as proven in this scene in Invasion U.S.A., Norris is so awesome, that he can have a one on one fight with a rocket launcher in a hallway, and win. Sensei Chuck is such an icon of excessive badassness, that it must be acknowledged Yeah, he's not much of an actor in the conventional sense. But the term "Great Actor" can be pretty nebulous and versatile when contexualising it in terms of genre. Is he going to trouble Ben Kingsley at the Oscars? No. But can Ben Kingsley do a roundhouse kick to your face, and beat a rocket launcher at the same time? Hell naw! Sensei Chuck is a "great action actor" without actually being a great actor, if that makes sense. Some people's talents are just suited to certain genres and they can be"great." within it. Code Of Silence is a good one, with some excellent set pieces. Chucks golden period was quite furtive, and I believe several what you might call B-list action stars benefitted from his success, in an era where Golan Globus Canon films were putting together relatively cheap, but highly profitable action films. Would we have had Michael Dudikoff ( a pretty wooden actor himself) in American Ninja , if not for Chuck' s patriotic brand of badassness? Or Cynthia Rothrock in China O'Brien?I feel like Chucks success birthed a lot of careers. People need to bow down to the bearded badass.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 5, 2019 4:15:34 GMT
Gotta admit, the whole "sensei Chuck bit" made me chuckle. Being a bit more serious here, it's arguable Norris peaked early on in his career with those American Cinema Productions like The Octagon, that were big moneymakers. If that studio hadn't gone under so soon, who knows what would have happened to his career. Of course he also plenty of success with Canon films. The Delta Force, and Invasion U.S.A., were films that I used to watch in the morning on AMC irregularly, when I had school off. Patriotic badass. One of my favorite Chuck Norris films hasn't been mentioned yet, is Code of Silence, which is generally considered by most to be his best period. Probably helps that it was directed by Andrew Davis, the best filmmaker he ever worked with, who also made Under Siege and The Fugitive. Unlike his other shlock but sometimes fun actioneers, it's actually a real slick and solid cop-thriller, with a supremely thrilling train sequence, which I couldn't find online, but I'll admit that I never wanted to end. Of course as proven in this scene in Invasion U.S.A., Norris is so awesome, that he can have a one on one fight with a rocket launcher in a hallway, and win. Sensei Chuck is such an icon of excessive badassness, that it must be acknowledged Yeah, he's not much of an actor in the conventional sense. But the term "Great Actor" can be pretty nebulous and versatile when contexualising it in terms of genre. Is he going to trouble Ben Kingsley at the Oscars? No. But can Ben Kingsley do a roundhouse kick to your face, and beat a rocket launcher at the same time? Hell naw! Sensei Chuck is a "great action actor" without actually being a great actor, if that makes sense. Some people's talents are just suited to certain genres and they can be"great." within it. Code Of Silence is a good one, with some excellent set pieces. Chucks golden period was quite furtive, and I believe several what you might call B-list action stars benefitted from his success, in an era where Golan Globus Canon films were putting together relatively cheap, but highly profitable action films. Would we have had Michael Dudikoff ( a pretty wooden actor himself) in American Ninja , if not for Chuck' s patriotic brand of badassness? Or Cynthia Rothrock in China O'Brien?I feel like Chucks success birthed a lot of careers. People need to bow down to the bearded badass. Oh absolutely. Chuck was the B movie "icon" of the early 80s. Profitable, but not as mainstream as Arnold or Stallone. His career helped birth a lot of action stars, and propelled them to very minor success in the B / straight to video booming market of the time. A personal favorite of mine from the B movie action genre, is Olivier Gruner, sorta like a second stringer Jean Claude Van Damme. I'm mostly know him from Albert Pyun's Nemesis series, which are honestly a bunch of great low-budget sci-fi action films. He's got a great physique, and can even kick-well, as one needs in order to be even remotely successful in the action genre. Glad you mentioned Michael Dudikoff. The American Ninja films is a great example of Canon's "make franchises out of everything" attitude of the time. Those films are just wickedly amazing B movies from top to bottom, supremely Canon, with some fantastic fight scenes for the time. Dudikoff himself is largely a block of wood, but he fits, given that his character doesn't even talk all that much.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 5, 2019 4:30:05 GMT
Sensei Chuck is such an icon of excessive badassness, that it must be acknowledged Yeah, he's not much of an actor in the conventional sense. But the term "Great Actor" can be pretty nebulous and versatile when contexualising it in terms of genre. Is he going to trouble Ben Kingsley at the Oscars? No. But can Ben Kingsley do a roundhouse kick to your face, and beat a rocket launcher at the same time? Hell naw! Sensei Chuck is a "great action actor" without actually being a great actor, if that makes sense. Some people's talents are just suited to certain genres and they can be"great." within it. Code Of Silence is a good one, with some excellent set pieces. Chucks golden period was quite furtive, and I believe several what you might call B-list action stars benefitted from his success, in an era where Golan Globus Canon films were putting together relatively cheap, but highly profitable action films. Would we have had Michael Dudikoff ( a pretty wooden actor himself) in American Ninja , if not for Chuck' s patriotic brand of badassness? Or Cynthia Rothrock in China O'Brien?I feel like Chucks success birthed a lot of careers. People need to bow down to the bearded badass. Oh absolutely. Chuck was the B movie "icon" of the early 80s. Profitable, but not as mainstream as Arnold or Stallone. His career helped birth a lot of action stars, and propelled them to very minor success in the B / straight to video booming market of the time. A personal favorite of mine from the B movie action genre, is Olivier Gruner, sorta like a second stringer Jean Claude Van Damme. I'm mostly know him from Albert Pyun's Nemesis series, which are honestly a bunch of great low-budget sci-fi action films. He's got a great physique, and can even kick-well, as one needs in order to be even remotely successful in the action genre. Glad you mentioned Michael Dudikoff. The American Ninja films is a great example of Canon's "make franchises out of everything" attitude of the time. Those films are just wickedly amazing B movies from top to bottom, supremely Canon, with some fantastic fight scenes for the time. Dudikoff himself is largely a block of wood, but he fits, given that his character doesn't even talk all that much. This conversation is making me want to revisit a lot of these action B-movies. You just know Tarantino was devouring these flicks every day when he was doing shifts at the video store. American Ninja was a franchise that had legs didn't it. I watched most of them. Speaking of B-list action stars and movies, it's jumping ahead a decade, but presuming you have seen it, what do you make of the live action version of Crying Freeman with Mark Dacascos as Freeman? For me, it's not a patch on the original anime series, but I was surprised how much I liked it, and I thought Dacascos was very good in the role from an action/martial arts perspective, but also more surprisingly, from an acting perspective. He was well cast.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 5, 2019 4:42:48 GMT
Oh absolutely. Chuck was the B movie "icon" of the early 80s. Profitable, but not as mainstream as Arnold or Stallone. His career helped birth a lot of action stars, and propelled them to very minor success in the B / straight to video booming market of the time. A personal favorite of mine from the B movie action genre, is Olivier Gruner, sorta like a second stringer Jean Claude Van Damme. I'm mostly know him from Albert Pyun's Nemesis series, which are honestly a bunch of great low-budget sci-fi action films. He's got a great physique, and can even kick-well, as one needs in order to be even remotely successful in the action genre. Glad you mentioned Michael Dudikoff. The American Ninja films is a great example of Canon's "make franchises out of everything" attitude of the time. Those films are just wickedly amazing B movies from top to bottom, supremely Canon, with some fantastic fight scenes for the time. Dudikoff himself is largely a block of wood, but he fits, given that his character doesn't even talk all that much. This conversation is making me want to revisit a lot of these action B-movies. You just know Tarantino was devouring these flicks every day when he was doing shifts at the video store. American Ninja was a franchise that had legs didn't it. I watched most of them. Speaking of B-list action stars and movies, it's jumping ahead a decade, but presuming you have seen it, what do you make of the live action version of Crying Freeman with Mark Dacascos as Freeman? For me, it's not a patch on the original anime series, but I was surprised how much I liked it, and I thought Dacascos was very good in the role from an action/martial arts perspective, but also more surprisingly, from an acting perspective. He was well cast. From recollection, Crying Freeman was actually pretty good, and a faithful adaptation of the anime. The scenery in particular was beautiful, as was the action, especially for being a low-budget film. My only major complaint was Tchéky Karyo being dubbed over by Ron Perlman. As much as I'm a fan of Perlman, it was quite noticeable, and I don't understand why they did it? Did they think his accent was too thick, or maybe Karyo simply couldn't do his own re-dubbing. I actually know Dacascos more for his role Eric Draven on the syndicated Crow Series, and in The Brotherhood of The Wolf, another film from director Christopher Gans. A pretty awesome French revolutionary war adventure. Dude's got a real built-body, and is quite an underrated actor.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 5, 2019 12:11:27 GMT
God, I just watched the final American Ninja fight scene you posted. Great stuff! But man, Dudikoff's "thinking of a fart" expressions in the final shot were kinda hilarious to me. He's definitely from the Joey Tribianni "school of acting"
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Post by thomasjerome on Jul 5, 2019 12:32:41 GMT
I'm glad to see Dacascos is getting a mention here. He was actually a more famous name in some parts of Europe at some point. "Only the Strong", "Crying Freeman", and "Drive" were well-known films to action fans.
And in the latest "John Wick" film, it was great to see that he still has it. Hope this will help him to get better roles.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 5, 2019 15:42:29 GMT
Humphrey Bogart Genre : Classic Film Noirstephen - who loves his noir and who will buy you a drink too (maybe). @raygittes07 - who loves the classics. The very genre of film noir - black (or dark) film - couldn't have been invented for a more appropriate actor than Humphrey Bogart - who often took this genre into far darker territory than it even intended to go. He is precisely the best representative in this genre because he didn't give you what you wanted or thought you did - he confounded, baffled, and often made you rethink everything in it. One of the early American film stars who added a whole subtextual component into his portrayals like Cagney and Robinson - you can tell Bogart knew and understood how to use and incorporate backstory. He was often a Freudian checklist of character distinctions and traits in these roles often in ways that highlighted genre plots but in odd or sometimes even thrilling ways. His Duke Mantee in The Petrified Forest, the role that made him a star here - all kinetic excitement and rage - set the tone he could then tweak for lead roles that followed and what lead roles they were. High Sierra, Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, In A Lonely Place, The Desperate Hours and many others set Bogart as men against himself - sometimes to frightening effect, sometimes for lighter effect too but all of which coalesced into a very particular portrait of the actor himself. The Woody Allen play/film "Play It Again Sam" is this in a nutshell - Bogart's ghost speaks the truth and we nod and laugh - that's how specific our cumulative rapport with him was - it was funny because it was (in a way) true. In The Maltese Falcon when he says to Mary Astor "I hope they don't hang you precious by that sweet neck" - he is literally a gleeful sociopath placing his hands (gently, cruelly) on her neck and he's the good guy here - there are many moments like that in Bogart's highlight reel. His work in the genre was built on huge contradictions specifically like that - to the point where his face symbolized noir and yet he was such a star and audience identification with him so great, he could appear in bandages for much of a film's runtime and it would still work - the mere eventual promise of seeing his face was enough. When In A Lonely Place (1950) came out it must have literally stunned people I would think - one of the best performances of that decade by anyone and his very best too - an exceedingly contemporary and creepily recognizable one. In what he portrays and conveys to us despite what we want, where we think the movie is going and how human behavior drives the plot not the reverse. This was the genre and its leading actor taken to where noir and Bogart had previously only hinted at - it wasn't even film noir anymore ..........it was rather life noir. Because of those contradictions Bogart occupies a unique place among all US actors - he is himself, and not - he gives us what we want and expect but often couched in things we did not know would be there or that we could guess from the plot outline. No actor ever went into his territory and outdid him, did as much with it in significant or cultural touchstone ways than he did across wide material for 3 decades. There is no "alternative" to Bogart in that sense - he is both the standard and the alternative - so much so that the two terms are almost deeply intertwined: "What's film noir? Oh, you know, it's like a Bogart movie." An amazing clip from In A Lonely Place - a 3 minute acting tour de force of jealousy, fear, resentment, anger, sudden violence, and then regret.
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Post by Viced on Jul 5, 2019 16:15:28 GMT
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Post by fiosnasiob on Jul 5, 2019 22:05:20 GMT
Probably not an obvious one as Sean Connery is first and foremost arguably the most famous, quintessential and most argued best-of-the-best 007 but when looking closely at his filmography, if there is a genre he absolutely loved doing and mastered, it's adventure. Quest for glory and treasures, rescues, escapes, (sword) fights, horses riding...all of this often in some hot, exotic places. We can argue about him being truly a great actor or being perfectly believable playing non-white/accents needed characters (in this genre), but his charisma and touch of humor always cover all the flaws and whether it's a friendship (The Man Who Would Be King), romance (The Wind and the Lion), father/son relationship (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade), etc... he tends to have great chemistry with others actors.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 5, 2019 22:38:17 GMT
Probably not an obvious one as Sean Connery is first and foremost arguably the most famous, quintessential and most argued best-of-the-best 007 but when looking closely at his filmography, if there is a genre he absolutely loved doing and mastered, it's adventure. Quest for glory and treasures, rescues, escapes, (sword) fights, horses riding...all of this often in some hot, exotic places. We can argue about him being truly a great actor or being perfectly believable playing non-white/accents needed characters (in this genre), but his charisma and touch of humor always cover all the flaws and whether it's a friendship (The Man Who Would Be King), romance (The Wind and the Lion), father/son relationship (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade), etc... he tends to have great chemistry with others actors. This is actually a good one, because we don't automatically associate Connery with the adventure genre (is the Bond imprint too strong?), but yeah, he's been in an awful lot of these type of films, and really damned good in them. And he does tend to have great chemistry with men and women. A true movie star. Ironic that it's the perceived badness of an adventure film, The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, that hastened his retirement from movies.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2019 1:02:04 GMT
Sissy SpacekGenre : Family DramaYou may not think of the loose group of films starring Spacek as linked to any genre but by her presence helps connect multiple aspects of family love, strife and complications. Badlands, Carrie, 'night Mother, In The Bedroom, The Straight Story, Affliction and several others show a full range of characters held together or torn from their families, suffocated/supported by parents, complex relationships with husbands and children - connections missed, relationships damaged, repaired, some beyond repair. Death or the possibility of it hang over all these films of hers - the way they do your own family. Sometimes it is clear but it can be unspoken too - as if to talk about it is too painful - she conveys all of that with slight nuances in perspective and the role she's playing. Families of course are great mysterious relationships in life - you can't choose your family - but in movies they are usually simplistic and trite. Spacek never shies away from the messiness and relationship shifts and that makes her family films aching, painful, beautiful and enigmatic too. You are a lot more active watching this genre with Spacek involved. I have often said Sissy Spacek is one of the very few actors without any discernible vanity - much less a great actor/actress (and she is that). That quality plays into her roles too (even in Affliction where she is not in the family specifically). You can see your own girlfriend, wife, daughter, mother, sister, in many of her roles and see cross-connections on screen between each family member - she never seems miscast regardless of role in this genre. That lack of vanity, her very "goodness" (but not crucially "weakness") and lack of guile in a way is communicated to us immediately. Audiences respond to her without having any distance or barrier to her characters in family drama at all - she has a big part the relationship angle of it taken care of - right from the start. From "In the Bedroom" with Tom Wilkinson below :
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 6, 2019 4:21:49 GMT
pacinoyes Is it really that difficult to wait a full 24 hours before posting a new profile? After a decent show of willpower, your lag time between profiles is getting shorter and shorter again. No one will forget you know about actors my friend. Give other people a chance and try to stick the proposed guidelines of the thread, as it was actually working very well. 24 hours is a reasonable gap between profiles for individual posters. I'm not bringing this up to give you a hard time, as the thread has been working well the past few days. This thread is not about me or about you talking over everybody else. Give people time to respond to your Bogart profile. There's potentially interesting things still to be said about the Sean Connery profile another poster just put out. Your content is solid man...people will wait a few extra hours for it
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Post by demille on Jul 6, 2019 5:55:15 GMT
Humphrey Bogart Genre : Classic Film Noirstephen - who loves his noir and who will buy you a drink too (maybe). @raygittes07 - who loves the classics. The very genre of film noir - black (or dark) film - couldn't have been invented for a more appropriate actor than Humphrey Bogart - who often took this genre into far darker territory than it even intended to go. He is precisely the best representative in this genre because he didn't give you what you wanted or thought you did - he confounded, baffled, and often made you rethink everything in it. One of the early American film stars who added a whole subtextual component into his portrayals like Cagney and Robinson - you can tell Bogart knew and understood how to use and incorporate backstory. He was often a Freudian checklist of character distinctions and traits in these roles often in ways that highlighted genre plots but in odd or sometimes even thrilling ways. His Duke Mantee in The Petrified Forest, the role that made him a star here - all kinetic excitement and rage - set the tone he could then tweak for lead roles that followed and what lead roles they were. High Sierra, Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, In A Lonely Place, The Desperate Hours and many others set Bogart as men against himself - sometimes to frightening effect, sometimes for lighter effect too but all of which coalesced into a very particular portrait of the actor himself. The Woody Allen play/film "Play It Again Sam" is this in a nutshell - Bogart's ghost speaks the truth and we nod and laugh - that's how specific our cumulative rapport with him was - it was funny because it was (in a way) true. In The Maltese Falcon when he says to Mary Astor "I hope they don't hang you precious by that sweet neck" - he is literally a gleeful sociopath placing his hands (gently, cruelly) on her neck and he's the good guy here - there are many moments like that in Bogart's highlight reel. His work in the genre was built on huge contradictions specifically like that - to the point where his face symbolized noir and yet he was such a star and audience identification with him so great, he could appear in bandages for much of a film's runtime and it would still work - the mere eventual promise of seeing his face was enough. When In A Lonely Place (1950) came out it must have literally stunned people I would think - one of the best performances of that decade by anyone and his very best too - an exceedingly contemporary and creepily recognizable one. In what he portrays and conveys to us despite what we want, where we think the movie is going and how human behavior drives the plot not the reverse. This was the genre and its leading actor taken to where noir and Bogart had previously only hinted at - it wasn't even film noir anymore ..........it was rather life noir. Because of those contradictions Bogart occupies a unique place among all US actors - he is himself, and not - he gives us what we want and expect but often couched in things we did not know would be there or that we could guess from the plot outline. No actor ever went into his territory and outdid him, did as much with it in significant or cultural touchstone ways than he did across wide material for 3 decades. There is no "alternative" to Bogart in that sense - he is both the standard and the alternative - so much so that the two terms are almost deeply intertwined: "What's film noir? Oh, you know, it's like a Bogart movie." An amazing clip from In A Lonely Place - a 3 minute acting tour de force of jealousy, fear, resentment, anger, sudden violence, and then regret. Bogart is a pivotal figure for noir, but for me Robert Mitchum embodies the ultimate noir protagonist. I also love Lancasters's work in noir, esp in the Siodmack films. I think the European directors like Tourneur and Siodmak accentuated the mythic and surreal aspects of noir in a way that the American directors of the time did not, and Bogart's great noirs were with American directors. Mitchum brings a mythic quality to the noir protagonist. In Out of the Past, he is on a journey to his own distruction and death, and the film blurs the lines between dream and reality. Mitchum's portrayal of his character's resignation to his fate is poetically expressed through his langour and his world weariness, and his presence is central to the film's success. Whilst Mitchum is working in a space initially developed by Jean Gabin, he reworks it to be relevant for America, noticably making his portrayal less agressively masculine.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 6, 2019 7:47:39 GMT
Anyway, it's been well over 24 hours since I did a profile, so I guess we can do.... Tony Todd Genre: HorrorQuick....say this dude's name three times! I dare you, I double dare you muthafucka! Hell, even I know this shit isn't real.....It's just a movie. But I still think twice about saying anybody's name 3 times. Because as the star and namesake of the eponymous Candyman franchise, Tony Todd was utterly fucking terrifying. Like nightmare inducing. In most of our lifetime, there has been two men, both character actors, who have become completely synonymous with the horror genre. One is Robert Englund, best known as Freddy Krueger in the Nightmare On Elm Street series of films. And Tony Todd. They've both done tonnes of other non-horror stuff, but to everybody, they'll always be Freddy and Candyman. I was never particularly scared of Freddy. Something about him just came off a bit too camp. With his booming voice, hook hand and bee laden body, there was nothing camp about Todd's Candyman. As an urban legend designed to scare the living shit out of you if you repeat his name three times, it couldn't be a more effectively designed. As a result, Todd is a living legend of the horror genre. Not often given his due outside of it, but definitely by hardcore fans of the genre. He's never out of work, and often asked to pop up in other horror franchises (Like Final Destination) to give audiences that Candyman sense of terror.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2019 8:56:23 GMT
Mitchum and Lancaster are great mentions demille and in that manner of them you start to think also of different guys who fit the genre and that extends to quirkier leads - less leading men exactly but pivotal to noir motifs too - some with foreign directors like Robinson and even Dan Duryea (with Fritz Lang)...........Lorre. One of the many great things about the genre that I love is how many ways it broke off into sub-genres and connected type pictures that encompassed quirky acting personas too.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2019 14:26:34 GMT
Irene DunneGenre: Comedy / Screwball ComedyMsMovieStar - who may be a fan of Irene Dunne I would think and if not, will have something gloriously catty to say The thread topic "great" actors/actresses and their impact on genre - often isn't true anyway - they are rather "just" actors and actresses - not "great" - who found a special role because of genre itself - genre rather impacted THEM. But Irene Dunne was not only first and foremost a legitimate great actress across genres and outside of them she was sly and deceptive about her work too. Think of your favorite actor or actress and now think if 75+ years later you would see them as specifically distinctive across a whole category of films with qualities no one else does quite the same even though there are many who try. That's how wonderful and special Irene Dunne was. In The Awful Truth, Theodora Goes Wild, My Favorite Wife, and even lesser comedies like Lady In A Jam - Dunne shows an uncanny knack for grounding any comic situation. She finds an almost winking humor - but never over does it - no matter how preposterous the material is especially screwball comedic material. She's engaging the audience on multiple levels, you can re-watch her in these performances and get something new out of it every time. Most comic actresses in this genre at least - and there are other great ones like Katherine Hepburn - sort of are playing the material in a way that everyone around them has to take part as a sort of concerted effort - director and co-stars - the films as a whole. Or they are screwball right to begin with so often that's not funny it's just weird. But Dunne's characters often don't seem to be working that hard at all but rather smarter - rather the comic situations are more just what she has fallen into - naturally, so reacts, naturally. She is a master of the comic slow burn/exasperation and every subsequent comic actress borrows something from her template - in a way it's pre-Method acting for comedy in that it is grounded in naturalism though heightened for comic effect. If you watch Dunne's comic work as separate and distinct from her dramatic work you will be amazed at how deep and precisely she acted comedy - her performances aren't just funny, they are well rounded and specific too at the same time. She was not just "in" comedies - she added so much to them. Still holds up too, marvelously, all these years later.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jul 6, 2019 14:43:54 GMT
Irene DunneGenre: Comedy / Screwball ComedyMsMovieStar - who may be a fan of Irene Dunne I would think and if not, will have something gloriously catty to say The thread topic "great" actors/actresses and their impact on genre - often isn't true anyway - they are rather "just" actors and actresses - not "great" - who found a special role because of genre itself - genre rather impacted THEM. But Irene Dunne was not only first and foremost a legitimate great actress across genres and outside of them she was sly and deceptive about her work too. Think of your favorite actor or actress and now think if 75+ years later you would see them as specifically distinctive across a whole category of films with qualities no one else does quite the same even though there are many who try. That's how wonderful and special Irene Dunne was. In The Awful Truth, Theodora Goes Wild, My Favorite Wife, and even lesser comedies like Lady In A Jam - Dunne shows an uncanny knack for grounding any comic situation. She finds an almost winking humor - but never over does it - no matter how preposterous the material is especially screwball comedic material. She's engaging the audience on multiple levels, you can re-watch her in these performances and get something new out of it every time. Most comic actresses in this genre at least - and there are other great ones like Katherine Hepburn - sort of are playing the material in a way that everyone around them has to take part as a sort of concerted effort - director and co-stars - the films as a whole. Or they are screwball right to begin with so often that's not funny it's just weird. But Dunne's characters often don't seem to be working that hard at all but rather smarter - rather the comic situations are more just what she has fallen into - naturally, so reacts, naturally. She is a master of the comic slow burn/exasperation and every subsequent comic actress borrows something from her template - in a way it's pre-Method acting for comedy in that it is grounded in naturalism though heightened for comic effect. If you watch Dunne's comic work as separate and distinct from her dramatic work you will be amazed at how deep and precisely she acted comedy - her performances aren't just funny, they are well rounded and specific too at the same time. She was not just "in" comedies - she added so much to them. Still holds up too, marvelously, all these years later.
Oh honey, I'm ashamed to say that I've not seen much of Irene Dunne's work. But weren't Carole Lombard and later Lucille Ball the queens of Screwball comedy?
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 6, 2019 14:44:16 GMT
pacinoyes Are you actually just going to be a selfish asshole? I've genuinely tried to be nice about this. You've already got a whole pinned thread that's essentially a temple to your narcissim. I don't like going on it, and I know many others that don't because of that. I started this thread in hopes didn't become the "pacinoyes variety hour". You are so vainglorious and in love with the sound of your own voice that you can't restrict yourself to one profile a day. You always gotta fuck up a good thing!
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2019 15:01:12 GMT
pupdurcs - Look, you're making up rules you have no right to make up and can't enforce. That's it. You're also weirdly a plagiarist in a way using the word "vainglorious" which has only ever been used by me this week actually in the Russell Crowe Roger Ailes thread to describe his acting. Not saying I own the word but .......... If you can get a moderator to tell me how posting too well, too thoroughly, too on topic, too politely over 12-14 hours (!) is disrupting your thread that's one thing but your reasons do not make any sense to me - all posts exist forever anyone can reply to anything anytime as long as they are being respectful. You just called me an a**hole. I think we're done at this point. I'll wait to hear from a moderator. I've never belonged to any message board except this one and IMDB while you have belonged to a ton so I think that's the way to go before it deteriorates more.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2019 15:06:42 GMT
Oh honey, I'm ashamed to say that I've not seen much of Irene Dunne's work. But weren't Carole Lombard and later Lucille Ball the queens of Screwball comedy?You could say that I guess the point of this thread (other than me to get yelled at ) is just to find some you like in genres you like rather than just the "one" main one. But consider this post a recommendation for Irene Dunne - I think you'd like her. Come to think of it maybe @waterloobridge who likes classic film too iirc would have some thoughts.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 6, 2019 15:11:03 GMT
You're pathetic. I've asked you nicely repeatedly to respect my intentions for the thread as the OP. No one can enforce anything, but messageboard etiquette usually wins out. If you started a thread, and had some guidelines, I'd listen. I doesn't matter that I find you distasteful. I would not try and fuck with the intentions of a thread you started
But you are choosing to be this way. Again, the level of narcissism you display is incredible. You see this thread being successful and you need to what....take it over? Dominate the direction of the thread with more profiles than anyone else? Ruin something because I came up with it?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2019 15:26:57 GMT
Ok, so it can't be enforced because you have no right to ask for it anyway. I think we're done here - just disagree. ************************************************************************************************************* pupdurcs aka scrudpup aka distain .........among many others. Genre: Wtf Famous message board dude who makes up rules that he can't enforce anyway and yells at me 8 times about it. A long career including this - under one of his many alias names - (posted here as "distain" on Gold Derby on 2/21/17) : "Denzel wins Fandango Poll !" Yeah............. that happened. Below, the famous photo of him raging at Oscar winner Casey Affleck from the sad documentary "Les Enfant Terrible" Stop picking fights with me all the time - I'm not Good God ....... I'm not even....... good.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 6, 2019 15:31:44 GMT
People are seeing you in real time for the jealous, selfish, envious narcissist you are. You couldn't have exposed your true nature better if I actually planned it. So, fringe benefit. You'll of course have some people who will still eat out of your hand like your usual sychophants, and those you tag and kiss their ass as you tend to when seeking extra allies. But you failed a massive test of character here, and many will see it for what it is. Your ass kisssers won't, but many will. And it's something you won't be able to walk back from
You've officially ruined the most succesful thread on the Acting board for weeks, because I made it .And it was predictable as hell that you would. If it's not about you, who cares right? Congratulations jealous guy! Mission Accomplished. If I create it, you can and will work to screw it up.
Now you get to be the true master of acting on "the best thread ever".
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Post by fiosnasiob on Jul 6, 2019 17:32:33 GMT
Probably not an obvious one as Sean Connery is first and foremost arguably the most famous, quintessential and most argued best-of-the-best 007 but when looking closely at his filmography, if there is a genre he absolutely loved doing and mastered, it's adventure. Quest for glory and treasures, rescues, escapes, (sword) fights, horses riding...all of this often in some hot, exotic places. We can argue about him being truly a great actor or being perfectly believable playing non-white/accents needed characters (in this genre), but his charisma and touch of humor always cover all the flaws and whether it's a friendship (The Man Who Would Be King), romance (The Wind and the Lion), father/son relationship (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade), etc... he tends to have great chemistry with others actors. This is actually a good one, because we don't automatically associate Connery with the adventure genre (is the Bond imprint too strong?), but yeah, he's been in an awful lot of these type of films, and really damned good in them. And he does tend to have great chemistry with men and women. A true movie star. Ironic that it's the perceived badness of an adventure film, The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, that hastened his retirement from movies. Yeah, this movie seems to have stopped/slowed down the career of some people, including its director, Stephen Norrington (Blade), both guys experiences making the film with each other was so bad that they both decided to retire, it must have been something on set. And the movie did fairly well at overall Box Office ($179M). I know Connery feared being typecast and was bored being completely and so often identified as Bond so maybe all these adventures films were a way to somehow escape from it and I think he just had a lot of fun making them (and like Anthony Quinn, his face could easily pass for many different nationalities). He's a guy also known for turning down so many projects, some of them because how violent they were (Hannibal Lecter, Irons role in Die Hard...) and of course this for me was a mistake, I like his work with Lumet, especially The Offence where you see more of his dark side and he should have explored it more and more, imo. Never saw his Macbeth (in his early 30's), I may give it a try if I can find it somewhere.
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