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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 1, 2019 20:01:57 GMT
So no Meryl this year. Thank God. There is also Little Women... Who knows.
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 1, 2019 20:18:08 GMT
Ok, now that the reviews are out, I can say it: The Laundromat is TERRIBLE. I was already afraid of this after watching that trailer.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 2, 2019 1:11:31 GMT
So no Meryl this year. Thank God. There is also Little Women... Who knows. She's in Little Women for like 5 minutes. If any of the supporting players get in for that film, it'll be Pugh.
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2019 2:07:35 GMT
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2019 2:10:00 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 2, 2019 3:59:15 GMT
These reviews are painful in that they seem pretty untrustworthy. Only Gleiberman seemed to go in without agenda to make sure Parker remains "cancelled". Reminds me almost of the critical lockstep response to Dave Chappelle's new comedy special on Netflix (currently on 0% on Rotten Tomatoes) where it was blatantly obvious that mostly left leaning critics had decided Chappelle was no longer "funny" because his comedy didn't tow to the "woke agenda". Yet 95% of actual people (not critics, journalists or bloggers) I've see on social media, regardless of political affiliation are ripping into these critics and declaring Chappelle' s special to be the funniest thing they've seen all year (I saw it and I'd agree). Parker is a talented actor and filmmaker. The rise of agenda based criticism in the arts is deeply troubling. I don't know how good this film really is or isn't, but I suspect if it had Ryan Googler or Kasi Lemmon's name on it (or some other African-American filmmaker yet to be "cancelled") the rush to tear it down would be far less obviously gleeful. Though to be fair, a few critics and bloggers like Alex Billington have acknowledged the critical agenda to finish Parker's career. Billington said he's going to get "shit on" by his peers for saying he liked Parker's movie. Billington went as far as to say he knows it's a movie audiences would like and enjoy. Yet critics are trying to kill it at it's inception. Chappelle is big enough and iconic enough that dishonest critics with an agenda cannot finish his career or convince the public that his art is now crap or without merit. Parker isn't, but it'll be interesting to see if he starts to get strong pockets of support in response to this type of critical McCarthyism.
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2019 4:09:15 GMT
These reviews are painful in that they seem pretty untrustworthy. Only Gleiberman seemed to go in without agenda to make sure Parker remains "cancelled". Reminds me almost of the critical lockstep response to Dave Chappelle's new comedy special on Netflix (currently on 0% on Rotten Tomatoes) where it was blatantly obvious that mostly left leaning critics had decided Chappelle was no longer "funny" because his comedy didn't tow to the "woke agenda". Yet 95% of actual people (not critics, journalists or bloggers) I've see on social media, regardless of political affiliation are ripping into these critics and declaring Chappelle' s special to be the funniest thing they've seen all year (I saw it and I'd agree). Parker is a talented actor and filmmaker. The rise of agenda based criticism in the arts is deeply troubling. I don't know how good this film really is or isn't, but I suspect if it had Ryan Googler or Kasi Lemmon's name on it (or some other African-American filmmaker yet to be "cancelled") the rush to tear it down would be far less obviously gleeful. Though to be fair, a few critics and bloggers like Alex Billington have acknowledged the critical agenda to finish Parker's career. Billington said he's going to get "shit on" by his peers for saying he liked Parker's movie. Billington went as far as to say he knows it's a movie audiences would like and enjoy. Yet critics are trying to kill it at it's inception. Chappelle is big enough and iconic enough that dishonest critics with an agenda cannot finish his career or convince the public that his art is now crap or without merit. Parker isn't, but it'll be interesting to see if he starts to get strong pockets of support in response to this type of critical McCarthyism. I definitely think that a lot of these harshly negative reactions feel preconceived, especially in light of the Polanski and Joker reactions we also got this year, where it felt like there was an expected narrative of discussion removed from the actual film's subject matter. There is a lot that needs to be said, and rightly so, about Nate Parker and how he proceeds going forward, and obviously if you cannot separate his work from the cloud of controversy surrounding himself, that's perfectly understandable. It doesn't help that Parker has made himself (once again) the face of his movie, when it probably would've been better off if he'd gotten another actor to take up the slack. I'll admit it: I really liked his first film. It had its flaws, and I definitely think viewing the movie through the lens of his accusations adds a sordid layer to the proceedings that can be unsettling. And I am curious to see his new movie, because I feel like there is promise in the premise. But it definitely felt like the knives were out and sharpened, and that the movie didn't have a prayer. I can't speak to Chappelle's new special (haven't seen it), but I do also think that there is something to be said for a comedian needing to realize that certain acts/observations do become outdated, and that audiences change, and that an artist shouldn't remain stagnant. That shouldn't mean that he needs to soften his approach, but understand that things are different than they were 15 years ago, and that he can be on the cutting edge of changing things in a positive way rather than bitching about how soft we have become as a culture.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 2, 2019 4:31:05 GMT
These reviews are painful in that they seem pretty untrustworthy. Only Gleiberman seemed to go in without agenda to make sure Parker remains "cancelled". Reminds me almost of the critical lockstep response to Dave Chappelle's new comedy special on Netflix (currently on 0% on Rotten Tomatoes) where it was blatantly obvious that mostly left leaning critics had decided Chappelle was no longer "funny" because his comedy didn't tow to the "woke agenda". Yet 95% of actual people (not critics, journalists or bloggers) I've see on social media, regardless of political affiliation are ripping into these critics and declaring Chappelle' s special to be the funniest thing they've seen all year (I saw it and I'd agree). Parker is a talented actor and filmmaker. The rise of agenda based criticism in the arts is deeply troubling. I don't know how good this film really is or isn't, but I suspect if it had Ryan Googler or Kasi Lemmon's name on it (or some other African-American filmmaker yet to be "cancelled") the rush to tear it down would be far less obviously gleeful. Though to be fair, a few critics and bloggers like Alex Billington have acknowledged the critical agenda to finish Parker's career. Billington said he's going to get "shit on" by his peers for saying he liked Parker's movie. Billington went as far as to say he knows it's a movie audiences would like and enjoy. Yet critics are trying to kill it at it's inception. Chappelle is big enough and iconic enough that dishonest critics with an agenda cannot finish his career or convince the public that his art is now crap or without merit. Parker isn't, but it'll be interesting to see if he starts to get strong pockets of support in response to this type of critical McCarthyism. I can't speak to Chappelle's new special (haven't seen it), but I do also think that there is something to be said for a comedian needing to realize that certain acts/observations do become outdated, and that audiences change, and that an artist shouldn't remain stagnant. That shouldn't mean that he needs to soften his approach, but understand that things are different than they were 15 years ago, and that he can be on the cutting edge of changing things in a positive way rather than bitching about how soft we have become as a culture. I really disagree with this. Comedy should have no boundaries and shouldn't have to kow-tow to some sort of self-cappointed "Comedy Police". If something is truly outdated or lacking in observation and nuance (and Chappelle is one of the sharpest and most nuanced observational comedians alive, and only reinforces thar in his new special) audiences will figure it out and turn their backs on them. The opposite is true of Chappelle. He's now more relevant than ever before. Lenny Bruce, George Carlin and Richard Pryor pushed against societal niceties in their comedy and it made them the most important stand-up comedians of their eras. They angered and offended many people. Chappelle is now in that bracket. In comedy, there is nothing and no one that can't be dunked on....as long as you are a good enough comic to do it in an intelligent and insightful way, which someone like Chappelle is. Chappelle has taken a harsh mirror to SJW culture and is making people realise it's gone too far, and that's what his critics are afraid of, imho. He's got enough audience clout to erode their base of power and moral superiority. The progressive left have now become what the Christian Right were in the 80's and 90's. The self-appointed arbiters of morality....with the ability to "cancel" your life or career because of some misguided tweets from years ago, or some past event in your life that has nothing to do with who you are now as a person. As someone who tends to lean more liberal, even I'm tired of this shit. I know many people that lean liberal feel the exact same way, and this is why Chappelle has basically dropped a Nuke on the culture war with his special. He hit a nerve and touched the zeitgeist.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 2, 2019 4:37:51 GMT
I don't know how good this film really is or isn't, but I suspect if it had Ryan Googler or Kasi Lemmon's name on it (or some other African-American filmmaker yet to be "cancelled") the rush to tear it down would be far less obviously gleeful. Certainly helps that Ryan Coogler and Kasi Lemmons aren't accused rapists who bullied an alleged victim into suicide.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 2, 2019 5:18:49 GMT
There is also Little Women... Who knows. She's in Little Women for like 5 minutes. If any of the supporting players get in for that film, it'll be Pugh. Didn't know that. So no Meryl this year? That's new!
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 2, 2019 6:01:31 GMT
Wow...so apparently American Skin got a 7 minute long standing ovation in Venice.www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/venice-audience-cheers-nate-parkers-american-skin-1235998Hopefully a streaming distributor like Netflix picks this up so it can get a wide audience to judge it's merits themselves. But critics have really been showing their asses in the last week, and are showing why it's a profession that many people low-key have little respect for (ie those who can't...criticise). They need to do better.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 2, 2019 8:14:08 GMT
Honestly I don't pay much attention to the standing ovations in festivals anymore. Some critics give long standing ovations to almost every movie...
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Post by morton on Sept 2, 2019 8:42:50 GMT
Honestly I don't pay much attention to the standing ovations in festivals anymore. Some critics give long standing ovations to almost every movie... Yep. I saw a lot of tweets on Twitter making fun of the fact that Joker got a 8 minute standing ovation, and one that I laughed at and had to retweet right away was about how The Neon Demon got a 17 minute ovation. Of course that was at Cannes, but still we seen what happened to that movie, it went nowhere and critically and commercially. Sure standing ovations are nice to hear about for films that you want to do well, certainly better than hearing that the audience booed, but I don't think it means that much in the end.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 2, 2019 8:56:53 GMT
Honestly I don't pay much attention to the standing ovations in festivals anymore. Some critics give long standing ovations to almost every movie... Yep. I saw a lot of tweets on Twitter making fun of the fact that Joker got a 8 minute standing ovation, and one that I laughed at and had to retweet right away was about how The Neon Demon got a 17 minute ovation. Of course that was at Cannes, but still we seen what happened to that movie, it went nowhere and critically and commercially. Sure standing ovations are nice to hear about for films that you want to do well, certainly better than hearing that the audience booed, but I don't think it means that much in the end. Nothing means much in the end. But we are now living in an age of criticism where critics will now blatantly lie to your face about the quality of a film or show because of some agenda or something the artist may or may not have done to their political or moral code....so to me, long standing ovations from real audiences actually have a bit more value than maybe they did in the past. It at least gives another point of view. "Oh, maybe that movie isn't actually as bad as they are trying to make it seem" sort of thing. Critics are a neccesary evil. They aren't going anywhere. You need them to sift out the awards season contenders or whatever. But that doesn't mean I'm buying everything they are selling unequivocally, and I think it's important that we exercise caution and don't always accept that critics are always right or always being honest, especially when so much arts criticism is now ideology based. So much work by so many people goes into making even a single movie, that I have little patience for critics who don't even attempt to show a modicum of fairness.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 2, 2019 9:21:08 GMT
Honestly I don't pay much attention to the standing ovations in festivals anymore. Some critics give long standing ovations to almost every movie... Yep. I saw a lot of tweets on Twitter making fun of the fact that Joker got a 8 minute standing ovation, and one that I laughed at and had to retweet right away was about how The Neon Demon got a 17 minute ovation. Of course that was at Cannes, but still we seen what happened to that movie, it went nowhere and critically and commercially. Sure standing ovations are nice to hear about for films that you want to do well, certainly better than hearing that the audience booed, but I don't think it means that much in the end. Wtf??? What kind of people clap for 17 minutes??????
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2019 14:53:09 GMT
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 2, 2019 14:56:18 GMT
She looks like F. Murray Abraham in Star Trek: Insurrection.
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2019 21:49:00 GMT
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Post by evilbliss on Sept 2, 2019 21:54:44 GMT
More praise to Chalamed than the movie itself.
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2019 22:01:30 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 2, 2019 22:14:18 GMT
Mixed notices for young Chalamet and the film itself. Guess this is probably going nowhere this awards season. Still want to watch it though.
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Post by omarfr9 on Sept 2, 2019 22:22:15 GMT
Just got out from The Painted Bird screening, it was such a miserable experience, a real disappointment, it was the movie i was looking for the most. There were massive walkouts throughout the movie, the graphic violence in this movie is disgusting and sick.
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Post by stephen on Sept 2, 2019 22:22:56 GMT
Just got out from The Painted Bird screening, it was such a miserable experience, a real disappointment, it was the movie i was looking for the most. There were massive walkouts throughout the movie, the graphic violence in this movie is disgusting and sick. Watch this win the Golden Lion.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 2, 2019 22:26:47 GMT
Just got out from The Painted Bird screening, it was such a miserable experience, a real disappointment, it was the movie i was looking for the most. There were massive walkouts throughout the movie, the graphic violence in this movie is disgusting and sick. sounds like Hard to Be a God
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Post by DanQuixote on Sept 2, 2019 22:39:51 GMT
Just got out from The Painted Bird screening, it was such a miserable experience, a real disappointment, it was the movie i was looking for the most. There were massive walkouts throughout the movie, the graphic violence in this movie is disgusting and sick. sounds like Hard to Be a God I loved Hard to Be a God lmao
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