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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 23, 2019 14:28:13 GMT
If you ever notice most actors tend to get ranked solely on their top 5 or 6 performances. The general public doesn't see everything an actor does after all and that number is what they can hold in their heads. But of course many great actors and actresses have more than that - so what's one you feel people miss - not an underrated performance but a genuinely great performance that gets pushed down in their list by a bigger/more seen/more famous one.
I think DDL is a clear example of this - usually his top 5-6 are always his 6 nominations My Left Foot/In The Name Of The Father/GONY/TWBB/Lincoln/Phantom Thread..........but to me Lincoln (which is great too) would come further down and The Boxer would be higher than it specifically (and a couple others even).
Which ones fit the bill for you with some other actors/actresses ........
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 23, 2019 15:41:03 GMT
I guess almost every actor and actress have such movies/performances. Especially if they are big stars with many awards, people tend to remember the awarded performances or the blockbusters etc. But not some little diamonds they've made, in which they were even better.
As for DDL, I would swap his performance in Lincoln with the Boxer or even Nine. Didn;t like the film, loved the performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 15:48:19 GMT
The first that came to mind for me was Glenn Close's great iconic star turns in Fatal Attraction and Dangerous Liaisons overshadowing her quietly wrenching performance in Things You Can Tell Just By Looking at Her.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 23, 2019 16:34:18 GMT
Another one for me though I guess people might disagree with is Johnny Depp who I probably wouldn't rank his (I guess?) big 4 - 3 Oscar nods and Black Mass - in my personal top 5 I reckon (I'm a fan of his 90s work through Blow mostly ......and Public Enemies would be quite high)
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 23, 2019 17:06:20 GMT
One example that comes to mind is Jack Nicholson's much more low-key performance for the seldom seen Bob Rafleson film Blood & Wine, that just happened to be released the same year As Good As It Gets. In some ways he's better and less broad. Even Ebert thought he should have been nominated for Blood & Wine, instead of As Good As It Gets.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 23, 2019 17:19:00 GMT
I'd probably put Age of Innocence as my no. 3 DDL performance behind TWBB and Phantom Thread, which would put it ahead of some things most people would put ahead of it.
I would say Tea and Sympathy is Deborah Kerr's best performance ahead of her big classic stuff like From Here to Eternity, King and I, and Separate Tables.
As for Depp, I thought most people thought Ed Wood was his best performance even though he wasn't nominated. Maybe I just talk to cool people or something.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jun 23, 2019 17:28:22 GMT
Meryl Streep may get nominated way too often but some of her non-nominated work are really sublime performances: "A Prairie Home Companion" and "The Seduction of Joe Tynan" in particular are better than some of her nominated performances. I'd like to give a mention to "Holocaust" also.
Then there is Matthew McConaughey. People keep acting like McConnaissance was the only time he was ever great but the man has "A Time to Kill", "Frailty" and "13 Conversations About One Thing" in his filmography which are some of his best work to me.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 23, 2019 18:17:52 GMT
Nicholson's Carnal Knowledge should be more acclaimed and awarded, maybe even more than As Good As It Gets or even Terms of Endearment!!! It's the two out of his three Oscars but that's the way I feel. Also the Pledge is a lesser known film with a great Jack performance. I'd swap his nod in Easy Rider (didn't like the film... at all) with one for the Pledge.
Another such case is Dustin Hoffman. He's known (among others) for Tootsie or Wag the Dog. Fine movies with fine performances. But I believe he was way better in Straight Time.
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Post by themoviesinner on Jun 23, 2019 18:18:22 GMT
There are actually quite a few examples of this for me:
1. I think Ingrid Bergman's two best performances are in Stromboli and Europa 51 and both are better than her more acclaimed Hollywood work.
2. Ralph Fiennes most acclaimed work is in Schindler's List, but, even though he's great in it, I wouldn't even rank his performance there in my top 5. His two best performances for me are in Spider and Coriolanus.
3. I think Mastroianni's performance in La Grande Bouffe is among the greatest of all time, but it's almost never mentioned when discussing the actor's best work.
4. The last I'll mention is Barbara Stanwyck, who has a couple of performances which are quite underrated and are on par (if not better) with her most acclaimed ones, namely in The Bitter Tea of General Yen and Meet John Doe.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 23, 2019 18:47:05 GMT
I think Gary Oldman didn't receive enough praise for Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead.
I noticed that in general people tend to praise dramatic performances instead of comedic ones... But it's way more difficult make people laugh than cry.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 23, 2019 22:31:44 GMT
Nicholson's Carnal Knowledge should be more acclaimed and awarded, maybe even more than As Good As It Gets or even Terms of Endearment!!! It's the two out of his three Oscars but that's the way I feel. Also the Pledge is a lesser known film with a great Jack performance. I'd swap his nod in Easy Rider (didn't like the film... at all) with one for the Pledge. Another such case is Dustin Hoffman. He's known (among others) for Tootsie or Wag the Dog. Fine movies with fine performances. But I believe he was way better in Straight Time. I'd put King of Marvin Gardens in his top 5 - his most underrated and ahead of much bigger stuff, so he's got a few! For Hoffman I rank Lenny and Straight Time as his two best ever actually.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 24, 2019 5:24:53 GMT
Nicholson's Carnal Knowledge should be more acclaimed and awarded, maybe even more than As Good As It Gets or even Terms of Endearment!!! It's the two out of his three Oscars but that's the way I feel. Also the Pledge is a lesser known film with a great Jack performance. I'd swap his nod in Easy Rider (didn't like the film... at all) with one for the Pledge. Another such case is Dustin Hoffman. He's known (among others) for Tootsie or Wag the Dog. Fine movies with fine performances. But I believe he was way better in Straight Time. I'd put King of Marvin Gardens in his top 5 - his most underrated and ahead of much bigger stuff, so he's got a few! For Hoffman I rank Lenny and Straight Time as his two best ever actually. Papillon and Rain Man his best imo but Lenny is pretty close.
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Post by jakesully on Jun 30, 2019 15:27:39 GMT
I'll add Kevin Spacey in 1995. He received a ton of acclaim for his role in The Usual Suspects (won an Oscar for it) but I found his role in Se7en to be much more memorable/powerful.
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Post by jimmalone on Jun 30, 2019 16:50:04 GMT
Day-Lewis is a good example for me. But in another way. I think There Will Be Blood always overshadows some of his other performances, while it is not even one of his top four performances.
Generally I agree that this happens to many actors. There are the four, five top performances of acting greats everybody talks about. Happens to nearly everybody. Also for Al Pacino folks almost always seem to list Godfather, Godfather II, Dog Day Afternoon and (of all things) Scarface. But rarely about his fantastic work in Serpico or Insomnia.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 8, 2019 19:12:03 GMT
Burgess Meredith comes to mind. Nominated for Rocky and Day of the Locust but his best performance was as Hollywood agent Ben Greene in Magic.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 29, 2019 13:18:18 GMT
Started thinking about Leo and mostly Pitt here (still haven't seen OUATIH, later this week......... thanxforasking).
Are both of these big stars example of this - like I said basically you get shorthanded by your top 5 (maybe 6) performances in a mainstream sense and that's for every actor (see the OP).
Is OUATIH an example for both or is it just significant because it's a big movie with both of them in it? I would wouldn't put Heat as one of the top 5 or 6 for those stars even though to me that's a masterpiece ..is this a "big star match-up exception" then........if so if this is one of those flicks what makes it that way - if one wins an Oscar for it........? Is it "too soon to say"?
Which quirky oddball one does it knock out for Pitt........or which drops out for DiCaprio who now has had several big film to reduce to 5 or 6.
Personally, I'm not dropping Burn After Reading for Pitt dammit.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 1, 2019 19:16:26 GMT
One of Keitel's very best lead roles - if you haven't seen it......I'd highly recommend and even recommend over some of his better known work. A lot of his best stuff is underseen like this - this is a sh*itty trailer and a so-so movie but hes tremendous here. Sort of a good companion piece to This Boys Life .....
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 29, 2020 1:05:20 GMT
I was gonna do a thread 'Daring Perfs After Winning an Oscar' but my examples pretty much fit under this!
Rod Steiger in The Sergeant (1968) - which was the first movie he made after winning Lead Actor for In the Heat of the Night - playing a gay army sergeant, right after audiences mocked Brando in Reflections in a Golden Eye, working with a small budget (Steiger took a pay cut) and a first time director. I actually think the movie is a bit of a mess with an amateur supporting cast, but his very great perf carries it, tense, upfront, rattlingly pained. I think it's his second best perf after The Pawnbroker... I don't think many others would put it above Heat of the Night...
Albert Finney in Night Must Fall (1964) - against Tom Jones the year before where he was nominated and highly praised and that won Best Picture of course. This followup, in the vein of a Hammer psychohorror, was deemed a failure and a big drop off for Finney. As the tagline went: "the lusty brawling star of Tom Jones goes psycho!" Is that not enough for you people?! He's wonderful and winking (literally) in Tom Jones but I love his perf here much more - a severe, buzzing, deranged perf. Physically playful too, at times chilling, it's just a totally compelling, frenzied work.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 29, 2020 3:32:29 GMT
The number of casual Leo fans who haven't seen some combination of two of Gilbert Grape, Blood Diamond, Revolutionary Road, and The Basketball Diaries is astonishing. Gosling fanpeople on twitter are similar. Lars and the Real Girl? What's that! The Slaughter Rule? Stay? The United States of Leland?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 29, 2020 8:37:57 GMT
Finney's knockout '94 The Browning Version/A Man Of No Importance is (very) arguably his peak work - two wildly diverse turns across wildly different emotional terrain and heartbreaking work too. One of the best single years to me any actor ever had and I rank him awfully high - the films are less "major" but he's far more major than them too.
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