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Post by Pavan on Jun 21, 2019 17:32:27 GMT
I can’t believe they made what I thought was an unnecessary sequel into a joyous ride with an emotional ending. Woody gets closure , Bo Stole the show, Duke Caboom is a cool addition and Forky is adorable. Almost as good as the previous entries but since I'm better connected to Andy's story and also i was younger at that time, i prefer those to the latest movie. Beautifully animated and the voice acting is great. A darn good sendoff to a near perfect franchise- 8/10
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 21, 2019 19:12:18 GMT
Overall I loved it.
I thought it had a bit of a shaky start. It seemed like they were almost trying to force the old magic for the first 15/20 minutes, but forced or not, they found it. Once this film discovered its Toy Story voice, and it got into its full flow, it was everything I could have hoped for...classic Toy Story.
The new editions were all great, across the board, not a missed mark among them. I might have liked to have seen more of the old supporting gang, but I guess this was Woody's story, and it ultimately needed to be told this way.
While this didn't match the third entry in terms of overall quality, I left feeling pleased that they brought it back and I feel this works as both a wonderful end to what it pretty much the most consistently great film series I've seen, but always as a launch pad for a fifth film, which would be fine by me too. 9/10
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Post by morton on Jun 21, 2019 19:35:40 GMT
Overall I loved it. I thought it had a bit of a shaky start. It seemed like they were almost trying to force the old magic for the first 15/20 minutes, but forced or not, they found it. Once this film discovered its Toy Story voice, and it got into its full flow, it was everything I could have hoped for...classic Toy Story. The new editions were all great, across the board, not a missed mark among them. I might have liked to have seen more of the old supporting gang, but I guess this was Woody's story, and it ultimately needed to be told this way. While this didn't match the third entry in terms of overall quality, I left feeling pleased that they brought it back and I feel this works as both a wonderful end to what it pretty much the most consistently great film series I've seen, but always as a launch pad for a fifth film, which would be fine by me too. 9/10I thought that Toy Story 3 was a perfect ending, but then I ended up loving this as well, and was even thinking at the end that maybe they could continue the series with things coming full circle, like somehow Bo and Woody end up with Andy's kid/s . I'm glad that they switched up things a little by not including more of the supporting gang even though I thought going in that there would more of them because with Bonnie it made sense that things would change. Plus, it was nice to see Buzz actually mature and not just follow whatever Woody's plan was. Plus, they had the perfect amount of the newer characters for me, well except for the neglected toys in the closet because I could watch a whole film with just those characters, but I think that Duke Caboom and Ducky and Bunny had just the right amount of screentime. I loved them whenever they came onscreen, but I fear that they could have wore out their welcome especially Ducky and Bunny if overused. Also I was a bit worried that Gabby Gabby was going to be like Lotso, but then her storyline ended up making me tear up the most. I did wonder if Woody's missing voice box could be something that could be something that is tackled if they do make a fifth one .
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 21, 2019 19:49:04 GMT
morton I actually think Gabby Gabby was my favourite of the new editions. I know she might not have had the big laughs, but she was a really great character.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 21, 2019 20:20:41 GMT
It’s by default the weakest Toy Story in my eyes (could change on a rewatch), but another great movie.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 21, 2019 23:17:14 GMT
I thought it was excellent, and about as good as you could expect a follow-up to Toy Story 3 to be. What most impressed me most, was just how genuine it felt. It's really Woody's story, and that makes it feel much more smaller and personal, when compared to the larger stakes of 3. I'll admit that sometimes the story does waver at points, but it's clear it's focus is in the right place, and it accomplishes what it set out to do.
Of the new characters, Gabby Gabby impressed me the most, who at first I assumed would be another Lotso / Stinky Pete type antagonist, but instead she didn't turn out to be a villain at all, which I loved. I also really enjoyed Forky, who I didn't expect to find as compelling as I did, but thematically he fit so well into the films overall structure. Also the ending hit the right level of emotional wallop, and satisfying payout. If they ever decided to do a Toy Story 5, I'd be all for it.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 23, 2019 1:31:21 GMT
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Post by countjohn on Jun 23, 2019 23:13:18 GMT
I liked it, although I would say it is definitely the worst of the four. It was good, but not great. I liked the ending, but it was not as good a send off as the ending of III. Most my thoughts have spoilers so I'll just tag the whole thing If I have a problem with it, I think it was that there are too many characters and it ended up being a bit jumbled as a result. The shooting gallery stuffed animals could have easily been one scene characters they pretty much had nothing to do outside that one scene. I liked the scene with Gabby Gabby at the end, but it was sort of a weird aside while the climax of the rest of the movie was going on and they could have just as easily had her go home with the other toys.
Gabby Gabby was one of my favorite elements of the movie on the whole, though. The movie really didn't have a villain on the whole, which was a different approach from the big "Disney Villain" thing they usually feel the need to do in every single movie. I think it's best that they just let this one be the finale but one of the few things that would make me want another one is maybe seeing her again since I think there's a lot you could do with her. Looked up the voice actress as I was writing because I thought whoever it was did a great job and apparently it was Christina Hendricks. Didn't recognize her voice at all!
I think they made the right choice with the ending. From the trailers I thought it was going to end with Woody going off with Bo Peep but then the movie made such a big deal about his being loyal that I started to think they may have him go back with Bonnie. I did not know what choice Woody was going to make at the end, which made it better. All of the Toy Story movies have on some level been about the toys getting lost and having to find their way back. I think it was a nice change to have one not want to go back
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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 26, 2019 5:04:18 GMT
Well, damn. Anyone else thinking this may be Pixar’s best of the decade? It’s a bit messy in that it throws a lot of ideas onto the canvas, but all of those ideas are just so wonderful and delicate that this movie becomes some kind of huge whirlwind of emotions. Toy Story 3 may have seemed like the perfect conclusion, but this “unnecessary” sequel bravely confronts the essential question: What the hell does Woody do now that he doesn’t have Andy? Because a kid may grow out of his toys, but a toy never grows out of his kid. And the way they answer that question is stunningly affectionate, in a hilarious adventure full of visual splendor and existential dread. Jeez, I hope today’s generation of kids born into a world of smartphones and social media are still playing with toys.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 26, 2019 6:18:23 GMT
Well, damn. Anyone else thinking this may be Pixar’s best of the decade? It’s a bit messy in that it throws a lot of ideas onto the canvas, but all of those ideas are just so wonderful and delicate that this movie becomes some kind of huge whirlwind of emotions. Toy Story 3 may have seemed like the perfect conclusion, but this “unnecessary” sequel bravely confronts the essential question: What the hell does Woody do now that he doesn’t have Andy? Because a kid may grow out of his toys, but a toy never grows out of his kid. And the way they answer that question is stunningly affectionate, in a hilarious adventure full of visual splendor and existential dread. Jeez, I hope today’s generation of kids born into a world of smartphones and social media are still playing with toys. I would put it behind Inside Out and Toy Story III
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 26, 2019 7:37:57 GMT
Jeez, I hope today’s generation of kids born into a world of smartphones and social media are still playing with toys. They probably should have has some references to this in the film. Perhaps one of the discarded toys could even have been an older model smartphone...iPhone 7s have problems too.
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Post by Miles Morales on Jun 26, 2019 12:10:37 GMT
I'll post my Letterboxd review here:
I went in expecting a fun time and another great Toy Story film. I was absolutely not prepared to get hit by a whirlwind of emotions. I don't know why, but the moment I saw those familiar white clouds in the title sequence and heard "You've Got a Friend in Me", I started sobbing uncontrollably. I guess growing up with this series as a kid and meeting these guys after 9 years is the cause for it. Toy Story and Pixar films in general are to me what Star Wars is to a lot of people.
Toy Story 4 has all the Pixar trademarks - intelligent storytelling, fantastic screenplay, beautiful animation (oh, the animation! So photorealistic and detailed with amazing lighting. Looked gorgeous on the big screen), great voice acting, superb sense of humour and emotional maturity. I especially liked how it did something different with the series' formula and opted for lower stakes, more weirdness and more character-driven drama, down to its surprising ending. Absolutely loved that they discarded WDAS/Pixar's "surprise villain" trope for this film; making Gabby Gabby a flawed but sympathetic character than a straight-up villain was admirable, and the closure she receives is one of the best, most genuine moments Pixar has ever done. On the comedy side, this may just be the funniest Toy Story film, and Ducky, Bunny and Duke Caboom play a huge part in that. Seriously, those guys are awesome. Bo Peep is also freaking outstanding; she was gone from this franchise for a long time, and the makers did full justice to her return. And last but not the least, Forky is one of the most peculiar, hysterical and thematically interesting additions to the franchise
2019 is shaping up to be a year for emotional goodbyes huh? First How to Train Your Dragon 3: The Hidden World, then Avengers: Endgame and then this. Maybe even Glass (I've yet to see it). Everyone thought that a fourth instalment was unnecessary because Toy Story 3 ended on such a perfect note, and could be only mediocre or even bad. I'll admit, I was skeptical too (while still having some faith). However, what was supposed to be a pointless cashgrab is instead a heartfelt, sincere, hilarious, thoughtful and bittersweet epilogue to the trilogy, a film brimming with kindness and empathy. In a time of toxicity and hatred, it appears that we needed this film after all. Honestly, at this rate, I wouldn't even mind a fifth film. In any case, it's a perfect (if possibly divisive) ending to Woody's story and a profoundly moving story about being there for your loved ones and letting go.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 27, 2019 0:48:48 GMT
My letterboxd review was well:
So, I rewatched all the previous installments this week, and one thing was clear to me: TS3 was the perfect closure to Andy's and the audience's coming of age, but it doesn't give *the* most satisfying closure to woody's arc. All the times, every single adventure starts because something went wrong due to Woody's neurosis for serving his children, eagerness to please and play and therefore, fear of replacement. Passing the toy from Andy to Bonnie closes the arc of Andy growing up, but does nothing to actually solve Woody's inner demons: it's just a placebo.
Now, Woody - the sole protagonist of the saga - has to face the fact that his beliefs are, when all's said and done, unfounded and only make him lead a very stressful life. He now belongs to a new child, a very young one, but he still can't relax: he's 24/7 fearing he'll lose his status and that he's not pleasing enough his kid. So, I beg the question: why does he *have to* belong to someone, and drag all his friends into some random mess because of this?
If you wanted to see more of other characters, this one might be a tad underwhelming, but for a very good reason. The franchise has always been about Woody, and the other toys were always merely a reflection of his current state of mind - and TS4 makes it clear and undeniable.
Buzz was huge in the first picture because Woody feared he'd be replaced by a new shiny toy, but he never really had a solid arc. Jessie was important in TS2 because she represented a new possibility that he could be adored by other children, that maybe Andy wasn't the end of the line. In TS3, Woody never feared his status as Andy's #1 toy, so no one shared the spotlight with him. And now, Betty shows up as the beacon of hope for the freedom he very much deserves and Forky shows him that he doesn't *have* to be a toy. It shows you how well-written and linked the franchise's story-telling is.
TS4 follows very closely the formula of 1) misunderstanding; 2) toys shouldn't be where they should be; 3) they need to come back as quickly as possible before they're left behind by the kid; 4) all this while woody has to work out his ego issues. It does, however, shake the formula by being the funniest, loudest, boldest movie of the saga. How did they sneak a joke about toys fantasizing of murdering an old lady in three different ways and so many scary thriller elements into a children movie?
All of this results into a movie that not only finishes the story started in 1995, but makes the audience question everything they thought they knew about this universe and took for granted. It gives the audience an ending they never realised they needed, but was the only fitting way to finish the story. Now it's safe to say it's the last chapter, there's nothing left to tell and nothing to solve.
9/10
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 27, 2019 1:04:04 GMT
Most my thoughts have spoilers so I'll just tag the whole thing I liked the scene with Gabby Gabby at the end, but it was sort of a weird aside while the climax of the rest of the movie was going on and they could have just as easily had her go home with the other toys.
This goes hand in hand with probably my biggest issue with the film. Honestly, the climax didn’t feel natural. Yeah, it’s tough to top the tarmac and the incinerator, but I thought the road shepherding us to the ending was shaky. It has great individual pay-offs (“Rijon!,” Gabby’s new kid, and the hilarious culmination to “send dad to jail”), and Woody’s final goodbye was a tearjerker, but everything around it felt like it was just there to facilitate those moments, and all of it was kinda rendered pointless by the final decisions.
But even with that, that final goodbye was really emotional stuff. It’s not without its hiccups, but those heartwarming last moments are what I really carried out of that movie.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 27, 2019 4:57:40 GMT
This was delightful and everything that I hoped it would be. It doesn't top any of its predecessors, but the film doesn't need to because it can still stand honorably with the others as a tremendously satisfying conclusion (I hope, this time) to a series that I thought already had a perfect conclusion. I can't think of another quadrilogy of films that has been this consistent in quality and in surpassing expectations.
In broad terms, the series as a whole seems to be about acceptance of change and coping with it: if TS2 is about learning to embrace a life marked by impermanence and the inevitability of loss (but one that is more fulfilling than an enduring life of disengagement), and TS3 is about learning to finally let go, then TS4 is about rediscovering a sense of purpose and finding fulfillment beyond a life lived in the past. Part of what makes this series so emotionally resonant is the way that the films present the toys' experience as a metaphor for the experience of a parent having to let go of their child once they've left the nest... and in this film we see a connection between Woody's situation and the way parents sometimes struggle to then find a sense of purpose beyond a life of nurturing because in some cases that's all they've known for a good chunk of their life. In this sense, TS4 wisely expands thematically on its predecessors rather than treading the exact same ground.
The animation is beautiful (the best it's ever been), and there are moments of real visual poetry scattered throughout (there's a shot in the the first 5 minutes of the film that might be my favorite in the series). I guess my one complaint would be that some of the beloved supporting characters kind of get the shaft in terms of screentime, but this was a real treat overall.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jun 28, 2019 23:56:47 GMT
Just saw it. While it had its moments of brilliance (e.g. Duke Caboom flying over the moon), it was considerably weaker than the prequels, especially 3. It was nice to see Bo again, but I just wasn't invested in the new characters except for Gabby Gabby before she turned goody goody.
7.5/10
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Post by JangoB on Jun 29, 2019 12:42:36 GMT
I can't quite believe that the googly-eyed plastic fork, which I initially thought was the stupidest goddamn reason to bring the franchise back after its seemingly definite ending, turned out to be the best new addition to the Pixar character lore. So much so that I was slightly disappointed that the film didn't really revolve around Forky throughout. I kinda hoped that the entire thing would be about his existential crisis. Instead it moved into the usual 'rescue movie' mode which is what pretty much all Toy Story flicks were. And all of that was really good fun! But there was definitely a greater movie in here.
That being said, I had a very good time with it. Not seeing the whole toy team in action felt somewhat weird and bittersweet (even Buzz was a really minor character here) but at least that's what makes it different from the rest. The film was funny, the film was touching and the animation was of course wonderful. I'm still not entirely convinced that this was a necessary endeavor but as a closure for Woody this story worked well.
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Post by stephen on Jun 29, 2019 12:57:31 GMT
Probably my favorite film of the franchise, and easily the most personally relatable.
Though with that said, why was the skunk not sentient?
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Post by JangoB on Jun 29, 2019 13:05:38 GMT
Probably my favorite film of the franchise, and easily the most personally relatable.
Though with that said, why was the skunk not sentient? I had that same question about the toy truck that Woody tried to use when he was fleeing from that girl Harmony
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Post by stephen on Jun 29, 2019 13:07:32 GMT
Probably my favorite film of the franchise, and easily the most personally relatable.
Though with that said, why was the skunk not sentient? I had that same question about the toy truck that Woody tried to use when he was fleeing from that girl Harmony Especially as the film went out of its way to remind us about R.C.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 29, 2019 18:09:57 GMT
sooooooo I liked it. Not as emotionally powerful as Toy Story 3 but Pixar still knows how to yank on my heartstrings like Andy yanks on Woody's voicebox. I teared up way more than I expected. not at the conclusion by the by, because I could see that coming a mile away, but Bonnie crying and hiding under her bed and being all scared and shy in kindergarten, Bo being taken away at the beginning, Gabby looking at the picture book, the little lost girl finding her parents at the carnival...these are the moments I come to Toy Story for. And Pixar is so clean and precise about it so you feel like shit before you even notice you're being manipulated. They dive right in and go for the emotional jugular. They find that universal fear and pain and depict it in the most relatable and straightforward ways. This aspect of the film is Pixar at its best.
I will say though that I've grown really tired of the formula of these films. Toy gets lost, other toys need to rescue it and get it back to the kid in the next 90 minutes while dodging other nefarious toys and humans. Rinse and repeat. The central story of the film I liked a lot, but the action bits felt like something to wade through to get to those next emotional and character bits. Humor is a bit hit-or-miss too. I mean, I was smiling and chuckling several times but never quite laughing. Pixar movies used to make me laugh a lot more.
Still, I enjoyed it overall. Won't be in a rush to watch it again but I'm also not complaining. As always, Pixar stands head and shoulders above anyone else in the animated family entertainment market. I could feel my brain cells slowly dying watching those trailers at the beginning. Animation is such a dumpster fire. Pixar at least remains relatively consistent and solid, and able to entertain kids and adults alike with universal and relatable themes that speak to most everyone. Would give it an 8/10.
annnnd everyone's talking about Forky but my favorite was Gabby Gabby.
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Post by morton on Jun 29, 2019 18:35:57 GMT
As always, Pixar stands head and shoulders above anyone else in the animated family entertainment market. I could feel my brain cells slowly dying watching those trailers at the beginning. Animation is such a dumpster fire. Pixar at least remains relatively consistent and solid, and able to entertain kids and adults alike with universal and relatable themes that speak to most everyone. Would give it an 8/10. annnnd everyone's talking about Forky but my favorite was Gabby Gabby. OT: Sorry I just had to add in because you're definitely not lying about that. I didn't even get Abominable with all the animated movie trailers that they packed together which at least looks tolerable and not a dumpster fire like the others . I've blocked most of them from my memory, but there was a trailer for Spies in Disguise which was probably the best of the lot aside from the Disney trailers that were attached. It was mostly crickets, but a few chuckles when the lead character gets turned into a pigeon. The trailer for The Angry Birds Movie 2 was attached, and I really can't wait for it to come out, so I can finally stop seeing the trailer. Pretty much silence during this one. I was excited for The Addams Family movie, but I hope the movie is a lot better than the trailer is. It doesn't help that I've seen it at least 5 times now, and the "jokes" just keep getting painfully less funny. Pretty much silence during this trailer too. Arctic Justice: Thunder Squad was another one, and I had no idea that it existed until now. In fact, I would have been fine never knowing of its existence. Definitely got the worst response. It was like crickets. Just complete silence. During the trailer for Trolls World Tour I was wondering what level of hell I was in. I watched the first movie with a young relative, and it was okay, but I don't even know where to begin with this movie. It just seems like the message is so awkwardly done like people who like one type of music can't like other types of music. Even worse though is how there's apparently only 6 types of music.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 29, 2019 18:40:39 GMT
I was excited for The Addams Family movie, but I hope the movie is a lot better than the trailer is. It doesn't help that I've seen it at least 5 times now, and the "jokes" just keep getting painfully less funny. Pretty much silence during this trailer too. problem is, Chloe Grace Moretz is no Chrstina Ricci
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Post by countjohn on Jun 29, 2019 21:56:31 GMT
annnnd everyone's talking about Forky but my favorite was Gabby Gabby. Forgot to mention this in my review, but I thought Forky was really annoying for the most part which is another little thing I didn't like about it that brought it down a little from the others. Agree on Gabby Gabby though. She's one of the best Toy Story characters just on the basis of this.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 30, 2019 2:05:09 GMT
Jeez, I hope today’s generation of kids born into a world of smartphones and social media are still playing with toys. I can assure you there are an insane amount of toys in my house. And while my son does have a proclivity to watching YouTube videos, he does play with his toys in a daily basis.
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