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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 18, 2019 12:41:18 GMT
John Hawkes Ben Foster Edward Norton
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 18, 2019 12:52:27 GMT
Gary Oldman. Sometimes in the same character, like in Chattahoochee or JFK.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 18, 2019 13:08:34 GMT
Well obviously that's one of the reasons I love Pacino - in that he can do the most kinds of acting styles but across the most emotional terrains often within roles too - The Local Stigmatic, Cruising, but one of my favorite scenes is in a famous role - DDA - the one where he's been menacing/sensitive up to that point and now is genuinely afraid of Cazale who he knows and fears when Cazale grabs his arm and says he's ready to start killing people in the bank (look at his face and how he pulls his arm away).
PSH the best American actor since the 70s - and that's saying something - in a lot of stuff did this as part of the attributes of the character itself.
Generally actors do not like to play weak/sensitive because it messes with their heads - weak character equals weak actor to them often.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 13:20:58 GMT
PSH the best American actor since the 70s - and that's saying something
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 18, 2019 13:32:06 GMT
I'm open to any suggestions on that Tyler - although iirc you think Kirsten Dunst is a better actress than Michelle Williams (wtf) so I'm already doubting you my friend
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 18, 2019 15:54:18 GMT
Denzel Washington...the greatest living (American) actor.
He's played a lot of menacing characters, but I think Roman J Israel Esq was a wildly succesful riposte to those claiming he didn't really play enough sensitive/weaker/neurotic types. He really went to town on that one.
Russell Crowe.
Was about to say Dustin Hoffman, but never really found him menacing in anything.
Gene Hackman tends to play menacing more often than not, but The Conversation puts him strongly in the realm of both.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 18, 2019 16:07:34 GMT
Was about to say Dustin Hoffman, but never really found him menacing in anything.I actually have a theory on Hoffman that I used to talk about in the IMDB days when we all talked about performances in detail more that he was the most intelligent actor of the big 4 -1970s actors - still the 4 great American actors who are also, um alive (small joke). That to me was his great gift and how shrewdly he used it. Hoffman in two roles that he should have been all wrong for imo - Midnight Cowboy and Straight Time - found a way to make those characters feral and unhinged. I think he's very menacing in both of those - particularly the aching, sad and possibly homicidal way he assaults M. Emmet Walsh in Straight Time is quite inspired. You can see it all building up and pouring out of him. In fact, one of the signs that he was slipping as an actor imo was when in Billy Bathgate, he played Dutch Shultz without any sort of logic or thought like he had done in those earlier roles.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jun 18, 2019 16:17:38 GMT
Willem Dafoe who just recently delivered a beautifully sensitive work in "At Eternity's Gate" and yet he's well-known for his menacing roles.
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Post by Viced on Jun 18, 2019 16:18:43 GMT
Christopher Walken and Willem Dafoe. For some reason I want to mention the two of them together... maybe because they've worked together, both worked with Ferrara a lot, both worked with Schrader a lot (actually Walken only once... dunno what I was thinking)... But most importantly, both of these guys could play (and are known for playing) sleazy psychos with the best of 'em... but can just as easily break your heart in another performance. Walken in this scene from The Funeral (one of my favorite moments of acting ever) is both terrifying and strangely compassionate.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 18, 2019 16:20:17 GMT
Pacino, Denzel, Hopkins...
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 18, 2019 16:21:36 GMT
And Jack of course. He can play both in the same role, ie. The Shining.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 18, 2019 16:23:40 GMT
Was about to say Dustin Hoffman, but never really found him menacing in anything.I actually have a theory on Hoffman that I used to talk about in the IMDB days when we all talked about performances in detail more that he was the most intelligent actor of the big 4 -1970s actors - still the 4 great American actors who are also, um alive (small joke). That to me was his great gift and how shrewdly he used it. Hoffman in two roles that he should have been all wrong for imo - Midnight Cowboy and Straight Time - found a way to make those characters feral and unhinged. I think he's very menacing in both of those - particularly the aching, sad and possibly homicidal way he assaults M. Emmet Walsh in Straight Time is quite inspired. You can see it all building up and pouring out of him. In fact, one of the signs that he was slipping as an actor imo was when in Billy Bathgate, he played Dutch Shultz without any sort of logic or thought like he had done in those earlier roles. Just like in Straw Dogs, also.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 18, 2019 16:30:12 GMT
Was about to say Dustin Hoffman, but never really found him menacing in anything.I actually have a theory on Hoffman that I used to talk about in the IMDB days when we all talked about performances in detail more that he was the most intelligent actor of the big 4 -1970s actors - still the 4 great American actors who are also, um alive (small joke). That to me was his great gift and how shrewdly he used it. Hoffman in two roles that he should have been all wrong for imo - Midnight Cowboy and Straight Time - found a way to make those characters feral and unhinged. I think he's very menacing in both of those - particularly the aching, sad and possibly homicidal way he assaults M. Emmet Walsh in Straight Time is quite inspired. You can see it all building up and pouring out of him. In fact, one of the signs that he was slipping as an actor imo was when in Billy Bathgate, he played Dutch Shultz without any sort of logic or thought like he had done in those earlier roles. I guess if you are generous with the term "meanacing" you could apply it to some of Hoffman's characters. I've just never found him particularly intimidating, even when he's playing unhinged hobos. You take another actor of small stature, Joe Pesci. In something like Goodfellas , he's outright intimidating in a way I've never seen replicated in Hoffman. I've never been physically scared/intimidated by a Hoffman character. Pesci is physically intimidating in Goodfellas, despite being five foot nothing. It's a neat trick.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jun 18, 2019 16:32:23 GMT
(actually Walken only once... dunno what I was thinking)... Twice actually: "The Comfort of Strangers" (1990) and "Touch" (1997).
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Post by Viced on Jun 18, 2019 16:33:35 GMT
(actually Walken only once... dunno what I was thinking)... Twice actually: "The Comfort of Strangers" (1990) and "Touch" (1997). I knew I wasn't crazy!
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Post by stephen on Jun 18, 2019 16:59:26 GMT
Ben Foster is, for me, the epitome of this. He's known for his raw intensity (and for my money, he's better at portraying that in a more natural, believable way than 99% of actors), but his 2018 double-hander in Leave No Trace and Galveston prove he can also play bruised, vulnerable types.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 18, 2019 17:20:47 GMT
Kathy Bates. One of the most scaring villains in Misery and a lovely shy lady in Fried green tomatoes. Dolores Claiborne is borderline both.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 18, 2019 19:19:27 GMT
Often times when you see this in an actor is when they are playing someone with an illness - usually mental illness in some way - so we don't know how to read them. De Niro in Awakenings is great at this - when the medication is failing he at first becomes obstinate and quite dangerous it seems to us in those scenes - they actually are hard to watch. At other points in the therapy he of course is helpless like a child in heartbreaking scenes.
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Post by Longtallsally on Jun 18, 2019 19:21:59 GMT
Javier Bardem
Menacing in No Country for Old Men and Skyfall, e.g.
Sensitive in The Sea Inside and Eat Pray Love
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Post by morton on Jun 18, 2019 20:22:00 GMT
A lot of great examples so far.
The first person that I thought of was Adam Driver though I guess because the promotion for The Dead Don't Die is still on my mind, and that makes me think of Paterson. And of course, the flip side of that is his iconic portrayal of Star Wars villain Kylo Ren.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 18, 2019 20:36:36 GMT
John Lithgow, Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Javier Bardem, Phillip Seymour Hoffman just off the top of my head. Heath Ledger too but that should go without saying. The Dark Knight and Brokeback Mountain are two of the greatest performances of the 2000s and they couldn't be more diametrically opposed.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 18, 2019 21:08:05 GMT
Phillip Seymour Hoffman is the #1 name in this. You wanna hug him 'cause he looks sad, and then you'll watch The Master and be afraid of him. Hopkins also nailed both a more timid part in The Remains of the Day and the menacing Hannibal Lecter.
James McAvoy (Filth and Split vs X-Men and Atonement) is another good example, if you wanna get away from the most common, overcited names.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 19, 2019 5:25:41 GMT
Hopkins also nailed both a more timid part in The Remains of the Day and the menacing Hannibal Lecter. He was heartbreaking in Remains of the Day. You could really sense his loneliness and inability to express his desire. I was also thinking Alan Rickman who played a lot of villains, but then gave such a tender performance in Sense and Sensibility.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 19, 2019 5:33:22 GMT
Glenn Close. Iconic villains (fatal attraction, dangerous liaisons) and sensitive person (the natural, Albert Nobbs).
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Post by clunkybob2 on Jun 19, 2019 12:18:45 GMT
DDL ofc
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