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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 15, 2019 15:40:08 GMT
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 15, 2019 19:39:33 GMT
Kidman sure gave an absolutely tremendous performance in last night's episode, I was holding back tears throughout all the courtroom scenes. Dern has certainly carried the rougher middle portion of this season and Renata has consistently been the highlight, but it's looking to shape-up to be a strong finish. Of course they gotta end it with Nicole and Meryl going head-to-head in questioning ... can't wait, could be legendary stuff.
As for the Andrea drama, well ... I still don't totally understand it. There's no such thing as auteurist television in general, the only American example in history I think is Twin Peaks: The Return. She was never going to have full creative control, and I have absolutely no idea why that would have been promised to her if that is the case. If this truly went down in a backstabbing sort of way, then, well, Kelley and Vallée definitely have some questions to answer, and taking this away from a female filmmaker in particular is obviously awful especially considering what this show has built itself on. But, again, one person not having full control is obviously standard industry practice, so part of me feels like whatever "drama" there is, there's a good chance it's been exaggerated. The general choppiness of the whole season and the abruptness of each episode though would sure seem to suggest a lot of post-production meddling, so, yeah, I can imagine it must be heartbreaking for Arnold to watch something she did chopped into bits like this and molded into a different image ... but was it not obvious from the outset that this would be the case? I dunno. I guess not. Hopefully we learn more of the story.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 15, 2019 19:45:10 GMT
Kidman sure gave an absolutely tremendous performance in last night's episode, I was holding back tears throughout all the courtroom scenes. Dern has certainly carried the rougher middle portion of this season and Renata has consistently been the highlight, but it's looking to shape-up to be a strong finish. Of course they gotta end it with Nicole and Meryl going head-to-head in questioning ... can't wait, could be legendary stuff. Stop being ridiculous. You sound like a Kidman fan I just think it's hilarious that the exact same scenario as last season played out again, and I can sense some salt about it (it was supposed to be Dern or Streep's season based on the first few episodes, with Kidman relegated to also-ran status). Other performers soaked in the early praise, yet Kidman robs the last few episodes to become the likely only sure thing come awards season. Again
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Post by Drish on Jul 16, 2019 1:43:23 GMT
Really nice episode and Kidman is mind-blowing. Streep and Dern continue to be scene-stealers. Kravitz is also very good. I am kinda disappointed with how Reese and Shailene don't have as much to do this time. Looking forward to the next episode.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 19:58:17 GMT
Reading the various sites (awardswatch, goldderby etc) and (mostly) everyone is calling Kidman the MVP again for this episode. As next week looks to be another showcase for her (vs Streep), I think she may be in for another awards season sweep in the lead actress category (and no, I don't think the Andrea Arnold thing will significantly affect the show's chances to win awards). The real battle will be be between Streep and Dern in supporting, but in the lead category Kidman has basically done the dramatic heavy lifting of this show once more it seems. The eligibility year literally just started. Don't forget that this category will also see Olivia Colman as Elizabeth II, and who knows what else. I'm thinking it was because of this statement specifically that you were (unkindly) labeled "ridiculous."
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 20:32:10 GMT
The eligibility year literally just started. Don't forget that this category will also see Olivia Colman as Elizabeth II, and who knows what else. I'm thinking it was because of this statement specifically that you were (unkindly) labeled "ridiculous." One of the great things to watch regarding this - not so much for the race but just from acting in general and this was mentioned in the Stage/TV/Film thread too - that's Helen Mirren as Catherine the Great for HBO in this season as well. Fascinating part for her to play because as an actress she's played a lot of Queens - won an Oscar and Tony for playing the same Queen in different roles even - has played a lot of Russians often without doing the accent AND has played a lot of sexually liberated characters and is now here playing the most sexually scandalous Queen in rumor at least ever. It's a possible trainwreck or triumph ...........on paper at least.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 16, 2019 21:09:15 GMT
Reading the various sites (awardswatch, goldderby etc) and (mostly) everyone is calling Kidman the MVP again for this episode. As next week looks to be another showcase for her (vs Streep), I think she may be in for another awards season sweep in the lead actress category (and no, I don't think the Andrea Arnold thing will significantly affect the show's chances to win awards). The real battle will be be between Streep and Dern in supporting, but in the lead category Kidman has basically done the dramatic heavy lifting of this show once more it seems. The eligibility year literally just started. Don't forget that this category will also see Olivia Colman as Elizabeth II, and who knows what else. I'm thinking it was because of this statement specifically that you were (unkindly) labeled "ridiculous." Yeah, can we give that a rest now. I didn't ask for it, but I'm glad the mods decided to eradicate/move the last page of shitshow arguing about Kidman that escalated for reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with this thread, imho. So why exactly bring up a strand of conversation that was just moved, for good reason? Not having a dig, but you are a smart guy and I think you know it's sometimes wise to let sleeping dogs lie. Also, I said "I think she may be in for another sweep"....not that she definitely will. But she's an early favorite, has the pedigree and has already swept in the role. And TV academy love sticking with previous favorites. How many times did Bryan Cranston, Alec Baldwin, Julia Louise Dreyfuss etc repeat and sweep in the face of stiff competition. It happens regularly. Nothing remotely ridiculous about suggesting the possibility.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 21:23:37 GMT
The eligibility year literally just started. Don't forget that this category will also see Olivia Colman as Elizabeth II, and who knows what else. I'm thinking it was because of this statement specifically that you were (unkindly) labeled "ridiculous." Yeah, can we give that a rest now. I didn't ask for it, but I'm glad the mods decided to eradicate the last page of shitshow arguing about Kidman that escalated for reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with this thread. So why exactly bring up a strand of conversation that was just deleted, for good reason? Not having a dig, but you are a smart guy and I think you know better. The thread that was moved actually STARTS with your moved post that was placed by you IN THIS THREAD so if that thread turned into a shitshow ............it was your shitshow. Just sayin'........
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 16, 2019 21:32:41 GMT
*Edited because I don't want to give anyone more uneccesary attention*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 22:10:28 GMT
The eligibility year literally just started. Don't forget that this category will also see Olivia Colman as Elizabeth II, and who knows what else. I'm thinking it was because of this statement specifically that you were (unkindly) labeled "ridiculous." Yeah, can we give that a rest now. I didn't ask for it, but I'm glad the mods decided to eradicate/move the last page of shitshow arguing about Kidman that escalated for reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with this thread, imho. So why exactly bring up a strand of conversation that was just moved, for good reason? Not having a dig, but you are a smart guy and I think you know it's sometimes wise to let sleeping dogs lie. Also, I said "I think she may be in for another sweep"....not that she definitely will. But she's an early favorite, has the pedigree and has already swept in the role. And TV academy love sticking with previous favorites. How many times did Bryan Cranston, Alec Baldwin, Julia Louise Dreyfuss etc repeat and sweep in the face of stiff competition. It happens regularly. Nothing remotely ridiculous about suggesting the possibility. Definitely didn't mean to add flames to the fire - my bad - I just don't think we can even hint at the possibility of a Kidman sweep this early in the game, especially since she will now be considered for the more competitive "Series" category.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 16, 2019 22:17:22 GMT
Yeah, can we give that a rest now. I didn't ask for it, but I'm glad the mods decided to eradicate/move the last page of shitshow arguing about Kidman that escalated for reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with this thread, imho. So why exactly bring up a strand of conversation that was just moved, for good reason? Not having a dig, but you are a smart guy and I think you know it's sometimes wise to let sleeping dogs lie. Also, I said "I think she may be in for another sweep"....not that she definitely will. But she's an early favorite, has the pedigree and has already swept in the role. And TV academy love sticking with previous favorites. How many times did Bryan Cranston, Alec Baldwin, Julia Louise Dreyfuss etc repeat and sweep in the face of stiff competition. It happens regularly. Nothing remotely ridiculous about suggesting the possibility. Definitely didn't mean to add flames to the fire - my bad - I just don't think we can even hint at the possibility of a Kidman sweep this early in the game, especially since she will now be considered for the more competitive "Series" category. Fair enough point about the change in category maybe altering the dynamics compared to when she first swept. I do think we will find out during the upcoming Golden Globes/SAG what the picture is looking like for all of them, and it isn't that far off in the scheme of things. I feel that the Globes in particular may have a tough time resisting awarding Streep and Kidman....but nothing is set in stone yet, I agree.
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Post by Mattsby on Jul 19, 2019 0:38:52 GMT
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 22, 2019 2:01:49 GMT
Nicole, Meryl, and Laura owned this whole season, and the three of them absolutely destroyed that finale. The courtroom scenes in the last two episodes combined and this one in particular showcased some of the most powerful acting I've seen in a long time, especially as far as TV is concerned. The best performances in this season will likely go down as the very best of this year. An uneven season overall that especially faltered in the middle, but the good stuff made it worth it and then some, and just spending more time with these characters and setting is always exceptionally entertaining. Of course, they do the classic "we haven't been renewed yet" finale thing, where the last 10 minutes are nine minutes of closure followed by one minute of cliffhanger. I'm assuming they're setting up a next season to focus on a more proper investigation/trial of Perry's death, and I'm already salivating over all the possibilities of that ... This is still one of the best things on TV, so please give us more.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 22, 2019 2:07:22 GMT
Great finale. That courtroom scene captivating and a clinic of outstanding acting.
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Post by jakob on Jul 22, 2019 3:16:41 GMT
I thought the finale was fine but it really just spoke to how little this season offered outside some great performance and interesting drama. The first two episodes were so excellent and then everything got slightly less engaging with each episode. I thought it did pick up a little more steam with the court aspect, especially last week’s, but it only emphasized that only Kidman/Streep/Dern were worth even having a second season as everyone else’s stories just floundered. I may be in the minority, but I found Streep in this episode to be a mixed bag. Good moments, but her overacting was starting to become distracting when faced with being on the stand and acting “vulnerable”. I also felt like Celeste’s video evidence and knowledge of Perry’s past with his mother was forced into this episode to give her a stronger case. Those elements should have been set up or at least discussed, it just felt like the show was holding that from us as the audience, and it just didn’t feel earned. She had that evidence the whole time and didn’t use it till now? Celeste had that whole story reat to go because the night before trial she just remembered it? Also, I doubt a judge would let a defendant interrupt her midway through her verdict. Nicole crushed it again though, but this episode, and this season as whole, was Laura Derns. Give her her second Emmy.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jul 22, 2019 7:33:37 GMT
Solid finale though the Bonnie storyline was so fucking redundant and the court room scenes were still remarkably unrealistic. Bonnie this season is such a poorly-written character.
Kidman had some really good moments and this is probably Meryl Streep's best performance since Angels in America. She seems to be much more in control in television, unlike in films where she would constantly go off the rail.
Laura Dern was still the MVP though.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 22, 2019 7:50:51 GMT
The social media chatter on this episode is nuts, especially for Kidman, and then Streep in the courtroom scene. Guess Streep vs Kidman was the acting face-off of the summer. Maybe the year. Lots of talk of them having secured their Emmys with this episode. We'll see.
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Post by wattsnew on Jul 22, 2019 17:28:00 GMT
Laura Dern was still the MVP though. Easily. What a legend! She’s all Twitter has been talking about since the new season begun, and everyone keeps rightfully pointing out how she is the obvious MVP of the season. Renata has to be one of the greatest/funniest roles I’ve seen on tv in ages.
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Post by Viced on Jul 22, 2019 18:45:31 GMT
Laura Dern was the MemeVP, but as great as she was I wouldn't even put her close to Kidman/Streep.
I thought the season overall was kind of great tbh. Probably unnecessary and not really enough material for 7 short-ish episodes, but I was into it. Last ten minutes of the finale were rushed and the final moment was kind of lame (but expected)... I'm still down for one more season though. Hopefully one where Reese is given more to do...
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Post by LaraQ on Jul 22, 2019 23:04:08 GMT
I'd be down for a third season,mostly because it's such a treat to see all of those actresses on screen together.How often do you get to see actresses of that calibre all in the same show?.
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Post by cheesecake on Jul 23, 2019 0:29:10 GMT
Mess. I kind of see why people like this type of trashy goodness with big name stars, but this was way too much for me. Dern was a lot of fun though.
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Post by wattsnew on Jul 23, 2019 3:03:22 GMT
How often do you get to see actresses of that calibre all in the same show?. Twin Peaks: The Return.
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Post by ibbi on Jul 23, 2019 8:53:06 GMT
I was waiting till this was over to watch it, because I figured it would be insufferable waiting week to week, but then someone showed me this and this and now I'm not sure I even want to bother. Fuck actor worship culture.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 23, 2019 13:39:17 GMT
I was waiting till this was over to watch it, because I figured it would be insufferable waiting week to week, but then someone showed me this and this and now I'm not sure I even want to bother. Fuck actor worship culture. F*cking A right - and the fact that we're celebrating the wrong ones on top of it.
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Post by LaraQ on Jul 23, 2019 13:44:38 GMT
People aren't talking about her much but I think Zoe Kravitz really slayed this season,particularly in the last 2 episodes.
My rankings.
1.Shailene Woodley.Beautifully understated performance.
2.Zoe Kravitz.Given a lot more to do this season and really delivered.
3.Laura Dern.High camp/OTT but the most entertaining character in the show.
4.Nicole Kidman.Solid.
5.Meryl Streep.A really good addition.
6.Reece Wtherspoon.Didn't have a lot to do this season but did it well.
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