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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 8, 2019 15:18:46 GMT
I found it bad. Not awful, watchable. But bad.
5/10
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 9, 2019 1:30:25 GMT
There’s some glaring continuity holes in this movie.
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Post by hugobolso on Jun 9, 2019 1:45:09 GMT
After Dark Phoenix Turner and Chastain wi ll have not trouble 4 not working in Georgia, Alabama, Norte Ireland or Malta. But also their work will not be requerid in pro-choice states and countries
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jun 9, 2019 1:45:18 GMT
There’s some glaring continuity holes in this movie whole godforsaken series.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 9, 2019 1:48:57 GMT
After Dark Phoenix Turner and Chastain wi ll have not trouble 4 not working in Georgia, Alabama, Norte Ireland or Malta. But also their work will not be requerid in pro-choice states and countries What the fuck are you talking about?!
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jun 9, 2019 1:58:04 GMT
Fox: "We gotta fix these holes in the franchise. Let's do Days of Future Past and alter everything back to-"
Kinberg: "Wait, you mean use time travel?"
Fox: "Yeah, so we can-"
Kinberg: "Write whatever we want and not worry about it!"
Fox: "No, so we can alter where we-"
Kinberg: "I can just write something else entirely. It doesn't have to line up at all! We can just say it's another timeline!"
Fox: "We were thinking more of a Revenge of the Sith style lead in to-"
Kinberg: "It's gonna be great. I can make characters never age, cast many of them aside entirely, and even kill some of them with no fanfare. You know, really bring back that The Last Stand magic!"
Fox: "Please end our suffering, Disney."
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 9, 2019 2:45:43 GMT
And where the hell was Moira? After Apocalypse made such a big deal about bringing her back, she just disappears again. She was pointless, but I could have used a Rose Byrne fix.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 9, 2019 4:40:05 GMT
Starts promisingly, but then things happen because the plot requires it and not because they actually make sense or are earned. The film is too short for this story to work... it feels too condensed for anything to really resonate. Some clunky dialogue, a lame villain (with a wasted Jessica Chastain), but still watchable with some cool moments. Train fight is the highlight and Zimmer's score is actually quite good.
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Post by Pavan on Jun 9, 2019 6:38:28 GMT
There’s some glaring continuity holes in this movie. One thing that bugged me was Jean absorbing the Phoenix force in this movie when she already Phoenixed Apocalypse's ass in the last movie. So if she is the Phoenix now then what was that in the last movie?
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 9, 2019 18:10:33 GMT
What an underwhelming goodbye.
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Post by hugobolso on Jun 10, 2019 2:31:48 GMT
After Dark Phoenix Turner and Chastain wi ll have not trouble 4 not working in Georgia, Alabama, Norte Ireland or Malta. But also their work will not be requerid in pro-choice states and countries What the fuck are you talking about?! Chastain and Turner said that they boicot Georgia 4 heartbeat law. But the interviewer reminded Turner that GOT es e filmed in North Ireland where the abortion is forbidden. Ouch!!! Double ouch. Mrs Julie was made in NI too. Triple ouch. GOT was also shoot in Morroco Malta and Croatia where the abortion is forbidden or restringed.
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Post by flasuss on Jun 10, 2019 11:54:36 GMT
once again, we see a woman become the most powerful person on the planet, only to her power drive her mad
An important point of the original comic storyline is that she only goes mad after external tampering from villains, she'd be fine otherwise.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 10, 2019 21:46:48 GMT
And Hans came out of supers-retirement for this? It had to be blatant paycheck fodder, because this was his most anonymous soundtrack since Chappie.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jun 14, 2019 20:49:35 GMT
Well, well... this was most likely the weakest entry of the franchise or at least it is on par with X-Men 3. It felt incredibly underdeveloped and rushed. I was intrigued by the idea to have Jean Grey as the central figure, especially after the very good casting of Sophie Turner in the former installment. Too bad that she didn't have much soul in this one, despite a few scenes (the girl who played her as a child felt more human). Its not entirely Turner's fault as the screenplay in general was incredibly weak. There was not really a plot... well there was a plot outline but thats it. A plot outline and dozens of action scenes. To be fair, some of the action scenes were very memorable and well choreographed which saved a good load of the film. The rest of the cast is fine but also struggles with the screenplay. James McAvoy more and more transformed into Patrick Steward which I liked. Michael Fassbender was very cool, actually more charismatic than in the last few films of the series. Jennifer Lawrence was painfully wasted and almost not existant. Nicholas Hoult has also seen better days. It often felt that they just had the characters in there for the sake of the characters but without much of a relevance. Oh and last but not least Jessica Chastain.... well I am a fan of Chastain but she was really not good here as the villain. Also part of it was the character, but also part of it the very....out of place performance by Chastain. I am sure she can do a perfect femme fatale...but this was almost laughable. Oh well another good point of the film and another reason I didn't rate it lower was the really great score by Hans Zimmer. All in all a X-Men film the world didn't really need....
6/10
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 29, 2019 5:06:43 GMT
I'm gonna go into more detail at some point, but honestly, this > Endgame. By a very small margin and neither is good, but this had more going for it.
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jun 29, 2019 6:58:35 GMT
I'm gonna go into more detail at some point, but honestly, this > Endgame. By a very small margin and neither is good, but this had more going for it.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 29, 2019 13:50:14 GMT
I'm gonna go into more detail at some point, but honestly, this > Endgame. By a very small margin and neither is good, but this had more going for it.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 29, 2019 15:42:25 GMT
I'm gonna go into more detail at some point, but honestly, this > Endgame. By a very small margin and neither is good, but this had more going for it.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 29, 2019 17:01:46 GMT
So, let's get to it.
This is bad. Very hot take right there.
It's pretty obvious why this is taking such a beating from critics and audiences alike, and most of the criticisms that I see leveled at it are spot-on. This really has no purpose to exist other than "Apocalypse made just enough money that Fox decided to squeeze a couple more bucks out of this property", and it's coming so many years after this series' window of relevance that it's pretty evidently dead on arrival. (Full disclosure, I'm not particularly invested in the X-Men franchise and have seen maybe half of the films, so how well this installment functions as a series closer is not something I'm taking into consideration here, nor do I particularly care about the timeline inconsistencies, glaringly obvious though they are.) I agree with the consensus that this is a clear contractual obligation for everyone involved, and that it fails to do enough to fully justify all the production drama behind the scenes.
Yet oddly enough... it didn't bother me the way that other soulless superhero hack jobs like Justice League did, nor did it bore me into a stupor like Endgame. Dark Phoenix is a mess and a lot of it is surprisingly poor for such a gigantic studio investment, to the point where one has to wonder just why the good folks at Fox chose to look the other way and allow Kinberg to take full charge of this project in the writing and directing departments (this is the one time I think having 5 writers instead of 1 might've done some good), but the truth is, there are things to like about it.
In fact, it's a befuddling viewing experience precisely because it's such a mixed bag: every single element here (the acting, the script, the visuals, the plotting) constantly alternates between good and bad; it has highs and lows that follow one another in quick, disorienting succession, sometimes in the span of a single scene. It's the weirdest fucking watch, this movie: it never settles into a solid groove for long enough to be completely satisfying, but it's also not so consistently bad that I could just check out and write it off. It made me go "wow, that's actually a very pretty shot" and then "that's... some pretty jarring CG right there, guys" ten seconds later; there are cast members actually making some effort and carrying whole scenes on their shoulders, and there are some that have no idea what they're doing and should've been replaced pronto (there's even a couple actors alternating between both statuses from moment to moment); there are individual scenes that really work and attempt to add some gravity to the proceedings, and then there's some tired "alien race wants to destroy the Earth for reasons" shit.
More importantly, this film grapples with much more interesting themes than most superhero fare, including some movies that I actually rate much higher than this. (I mean, it doesn't grapple with them in a particularly successful way, but still.) The ethics of Xavier's decisions are actually very interesting territory to explore, and I appreciate the decision to make this installment mostly about that rather than endless CGI fight scenes. To question his character, his ego and his true motivations; to question whether what he does to the children is justified; to question whether his subservience to non-mutants and his immediate willingness to sacrifice his own people to stay on the ruling class's good side is morally acceptable-- all of that is pretty compelling. The one moment when he and Mystique debate whether he's right to send his kids out to die simply to play meek and get patted on the head by a majority group that is always one mutant slip-up away from going back to oppressing and segregating them actually surprised me, I didn't imagine they'd go there.
I know fuck all about comics and the Dark Phoenix storyline so I don't know how faithful this film is to that, but to me Jean's story is a much more appealing set-up than a lot of superhero films have to their credit. Not so much because of the whole "insidious temptation to get corrupted and use powers for evil", because that's been done to death already, but because ultimately this is presented as a story about a traumatized girl who has her pain and grief seized and exploited by people who use her as a means to achieve their own ends, however good and well-intentioned they may be otherwise. You can mine those grey (see what I did there. see. what. I. did. there.) areas and make something pretty engrossing out of them.
In that respect, this is an easier film to root for than Endgame because although it's way more amateurish in a lot of ways and way rougher around the edges, at least it fails in more interesting ways. It's as simple as that. Kinberg missed the target by a pretty wide margin, but one can at least appreciate that he was trying to do something with this. It reminded me of Shyamalan's Glass in that regard, in that you get a filmmaker with somewhat solid ideas and a lot of enthusiasm really swinging for the fences, but not quite landing their punches enough to win you over to their team. Both Dark Phoenix and Glass left me pretty indifferent, but if you're going to deliver an underwhelming product, at least do it with some semblance of life.
So that's that. Thanks for the patience.
Some other minor observations:
*For all of its many flaws, this is actually pretty well-paced, and I like that it was mercifully short. It's around 105 minutes without credits, and that's pretty much a gift in a world where 130-150 min. has become the standard. (Or 182, thnx Russo bros.)
*It had been so long since I'd last seen a new Michael Fassbender film (2 whole years, I think) that I actually brightened up when he showed up halfway through. I can't remember the last time I had that reaction to seeing an actor on screen, but it was great to see him back and I appreciated being reminded that he's still around. (Kinda sad that he has nothing else immediately coming up after this and that the two projects he has in pre-production I really couldn't give two shits about, though, but still.)
*McAvoy and Fassbender are dependably good, and I wish they had more to do. Sophie Turner has her moments, but she's pretty iffy all in all. I'd chalk some of that up to wonky dialogue, though, so that averages out to indifference. Jennifer Lawrence didn't give a shit, and neither did I. Though I guess that goes without saying, since this has been the case with all her Mystique gigs this side of First Class. Nicholas Hoult was okay. Evan Peters was in this film. Alexandra Shipp is baaaaad. And this may be the first time I actively disliked a Jessica Chastain performance. She has a couple good scenes, but there's no character at all here. Quite literally. This film would've been much better had they cut out that entire subplot, though I guess Fox probably wouldn't be willing to bank roll an X-Men movie that's 70% characters sitting around and moping.
I will say, though, that Sophie Turner confidently grabbing Jessica Chastain's hand and ordering her to choke her is cultural gold, and we peasants are not worthy of such Art.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 29, 2019 17:43:51 GMT
I'm gonna go into more detail at some point, but honestly, this > Endgame. By a very small margin and neither is good, but this had more going for it.
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Post by Archie on Jun 29, 2019 18:01:29 GMT
I'm gonna go into more detail at some point, but honestly, this > Endgame. By a very small margin and neither is good, but this had more going for it.
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Post by Miles Morales on Jun 30, 2019 6:29:56 GMT
I'm gonna go into more detail at some point, but honestly, this > Endgame. By a very small margin and neither is good, but this had more going for it. I mean, he's right in the sense that people who say Bohemian Rhapsody is amazing and deserving of all the awards are right.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 30, 2019 13:20:07 GMT
I mean, he's right in the sense that people who say Bohemian Rhapsody is amazing and deserving of all the awards are right. So he's not...
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 30, 2019 18:33:14 GMT
I'm gonna go into more detail at some point, but honestly, this > Endgame. By a very small margin and neither is good, but this had more going for it. I really wish I got more out of Endgame, but to me it was a wholly unengaging slog, and by the halfway point I was already getting anxious for it to be over. Marvel's entire output after Ragnarok and Black Panther has been a big nope for me. Like I said, Endgame may be more competently made, but it's also much duller and feels just as lacking in purpose. Dark Phoenix is a total train wreck, but the ways in which it fails are more interesting to me.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 22, 2019 10:36:14 GMT
Really dull, feels like a small TV movie and it's also ugly to look at (I guess 'Swamp' was the color mode for this one). Watching this been-there-done-that nonsense after "Logan" was just a worthless experience. I'm glad the franchise was finally put out of its misery. The two initial Singer movies were quite good. After that...
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