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Post by jakob on Jun 4, 2019 5:01:37 GMT
Starting this thread now for when I see it on Thursday but the reviews aren’t being released until the day before release, which is also the day it opens internationally. Not only that but the press screening in LA got plagued with a fire alarm during the climax of the movie and apparently many critics just got up and left SO... I don’t expect much from the genius that gave us the Fant4stic reshoots.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 4, 2019 6:35:44 GMT
If it's anything like the trailers/tv spots/Apocalypse... it's probably going to suck.
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Post by jakesully on Jun 4, 2019 7:15:44 GMT
Its reportedly tracking to have the lowest opening box office of any of the X Men films ever made....yikes. Plus, the trailers have been cringeworthy as hell . I'll probably catch it on cable one day or as a rental but I am passing on seeing this shit in theaters.
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Post by jakob on Jun 4, 2019 8:47:05 GMT
Its reportedly tracking to have the lowest opening box office of any of the X Men films ever made....yikes. Plus, the trailers have been cringeworthy as hell . I'll probably catch it on cable one day or as a rental but I am passing on seeing this shit in theaters. Not only that, but it’s not even going to be #1 in its own first weekend. Not against Secret Life of Pets. No X-Men film has ever not been #1, which is a glaring sign that audiences are done with the current X-Men timeline. It’s too bad they’ll transition to Disney though because it really seemed like they were hitting their stride with the R-rated Logan and Deadpool entries (and audiences were responding). Deadpool will live on, but say goodbye to seeing another Logan, which is where the franchise should’ve ended anyway.
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Post by morton on Jun 4, 2019 9:07:10 GMT
Its reportedly tracking to have the lowest opening box office of any of the X Men films ever made....yikes. Plus, the trailers have been cringeworthy as hell . I'll probably catch it on cable one day or as a rental but I am passing on seeing this shit in theaters. Yes, even with A-List, I don't have any interest in seeing it at all. I haven't really kept up with the franchise, but I know it was in the animated series and I thought they already did the Dark Phoenix storyline in another X-Men movie? Not interested in The Secret Life of Pets 2 either, but at least it looks like it could have some intentional laughs. So I might go see that if I don't want to drive to an AMC further away.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 4, 2019 11:27:35 GMT
Its reportedly tracking to have the lowest opening box office of any of the X Men films ever made....yikes. Plus, the trailers have been cringeworthy as hell . I'll probably catch it on cable one day or as a rental but I am passing on seeing this shit in theaters. Not only that, but it’s not even going to be #1 in its own first weekend. Not against Secret Life of Pets. No X-Men film has ever not been #1, which is a glaring sign that audiences are done with the current X-Men timeline. It’s too bad they’ll transition to Disney though because it really seemed like they were hitting their stride with the R-rated Logan and Deadpool entries (and audiences were responding). Deadpool will live on, but say goodbye to seeing another Logan, which is where the franchise should’ve ended anyway. There was never going to be another Logan but I would have been interested in a follow up with Dafoe Keen.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jun 4, 2019 11:54:27 GMT
Not only that, but it’s not even going to be #1 in its own first weekend. Not against Secret Life of Pets. No X-Men film has ever not been #1, which is a glaring sign that audiences are done with the current X-Men timeline. It’s too bad they’ll transition to Disney though because it really seemed like they were hitting their stride with the R-rated Logan and Deadpool entries (and audiences were responding). Deadpool will live on, but say goodbye to seeing another Logan, which is where the franchise should’ve ended anyway. There was never going to be another Logan but I would have been interested in a follow up with Dafoe Keen. *Dafne Though I am now picturing Willem Dafoe as X-23 and it's quite funny.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 4, 2019 19:10:36 GMT
There was never going to be another Logan but I would have been interested in a follow up with Dafoe Keen. *Dafne Though I am now picturing Willem Dafoe as X-23 and it's quite funny. Stupid auto-correct from my iPad.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 4, 2019 20:09:51 GMT
geez, i guess i'm the only one who liked the trailers
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Post by Sharbs on Jun 4, 2019 20:13:21 GMT
geez, i guess i'm the only one who liked the trailers i'm with ya on that. the only real glaringly shitty part of them was Sophie Turner's "Why did I do that? she was my friend", but that's more of an indictment of Turner rather than the content.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 4, 2019 21:06:19 GMT
It's very unfortunate how audiences just don't seem to be here for this finale. The X-Men were always my favorite comic book movie franchise, as it managed to be both more serious and also have a light tone - a common ground between the approaches of the MCU and the DCEU. X1, X2, First Class, Days of Future Past, Logan and Deadpool are highlights of this genre, so I'm really looking forward to Dark Phoenix regardless of the lack of hype. For whatever it matters, I found the trailer to be better than Captain Marvel's and Far From Home's.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 4, 2019 22:47:50 GMT
Holy hell, numbers could be as low as $40M. That's really, really bad.
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Post by jakob on Jun 4, 2019 23:36:32 GMT
Holy hell, numbers could be as low as $40M. That's really, really bad. When Fant4stic came out, the numbers were originally tracking around 50+ million. The closer it came to the month, the number dropped to a soft 40 million debut. Then the reviews and word Of mouth dropped the day before release. Just as DP is doing.. It opened with an 11 million dollar Friday with the HOPES of getting at least past 30 million. It finished its 3-day with $25 mil and a grand total of 50 million by the end of its run. Dark Phoenix absolutely has a leg up on FF, due to the brand, but with Simon Kinberg directing (after he destroyed the final product of FF), the reception could potentially give us the first flat out critical and box office disaster in this franchise.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 5, 2019 0:04:59 GMT
Holy hell, numbers could be as low as $40M. That's really, really bad. When Fant4stic came out, the numbers were originally tracking around 50+ million. The closer it came to the month, the number dropped to a soft 40 million debut. Then the reviews and word Of mouth dropped the day before release. Just as DP is doing.. It opened with an 11 million dollar Friday with the HOPES of getting at least past 30 million. It finished its 3-day with $25 mil and a grand total of 50 million by the end of its run. Dark Phoenix absolutely has a leg up on FF, due to the brand, but with Simon Kinberg directing (after he destroyed the final product of FF), the reception could potentially give us the first flat out critical and box office disaster in this franchise. Did he destroy it; though? I mean, the scissor cuts turned that movie into a shambling mess, but Trank’s contributions weren’t exactly X2.
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Post by jakob on Jun 5, 2019 3:40:58 GMT
When Fant4stic came out, the numbers were originally tracking around 50+ million. The closer it came to the month, the number dropped to a soft 40 million debut. Then the reviews and word Of mouth dropped the day before release. Just as DP is doing.. It opened with an 11 million dollar Friday with the HOPES of getting at least past 30 million. It finished its 3-day with $25 mil and a grand total of 50 million by the end of its run. Dark Phoenix absolutely has a leg up on FF, due to the brand, but with Simon Kinberg directing (after he destroyed the final product of FF), the reception could potentially give us the first flat out critical and box office disaster in this franchise. Did he destroy it; though? I mean, the scissor cuts turned that movie into a shambling mess, but Trank’s contributions weren’t exactly X2. I’d argue Trank made a bland, dull film that at least had ideas and what Kinberg reshot was glaringly awful. So bad you could literally see where the reshoots happened while watching the film.
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Post by jakob on Jun 5, 2019 3:42:22 GMT
2 reviews are in so far.
Surprise!
Just kidding. Both are negative.
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jun 5, 2019 4:00:07 GMT
Shocked they were merciful enough to make this under two hours. Watching Apocalypse all the way through felt like three months had past.
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Post by Pavan on Jun 5, 2019 9:57:36 GMT
The first 20-30 min are good and the last 30 min despite being messy are also good but the middle act is where movie goes wayward and has no clue how to deal with Jean Grey's character. Hence Sophie Turner had to play a moping, moaning Myrtle (I Mean Grey) before going full Carol Danvers (I mean Phoenix). The franchise overstayed it's welcome by now and i felt that it lost the steam which is visible in the movie. McAvoy did a good job as always. Hello Fassy boy, long time no see Chastain as the villain is totally wasted. Has gotta be the most pointless role accepted by a prestigious actress in a long time. Why Jess why? i guess you have bills to pay. I guess Jennifer Lawrence is relived now from playing this boring character. The main problem is writers have no clue in how to bring some characters to screen. They did a half arsed job in portraying a powerful character like Jean Grey but it's not as bad as Last Stand's portrayal. Now that Fox is done with X-Men, i'm expecting a proper reboot from Marvel.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 6, 2019 0:42:06 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 6, 2019 3:42:14 GMT
I swear I'm not relishing in this, but these twitter reactions are... well, they aren't good.
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Post by ibbi on Jun 6, 2019 22:21:20 GMT
As someone who has been worn down by the ever increasing stupidity of those last two movies to the point I didn't even really want to watch this one... This wasn't terrible. Under two hours, relatively streamlined, comparatively few incomprehensible action sequences, cast give it a good go. All the stuff focusing on Xavier's intentions is some of the most interesting stuff they've done in a while.
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Post by flasuss on Jun 6, 2019 23:21:35 GMT
It's the same writer of Last Stand, now directing, it couldn't possibly be good. And he said he isn't using Wolverine in part because "he couldn't make justice to the Wolverine/Jean Grey love story(???)" of the comic version, which is definitive proof he never read the actual story, because that's like saying Casablanca is the love story between Ilsa Lund and Captain Renault.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 7, 2019 3:30:12 GMT
well these reviews are disappointing. still looks better than godzilla
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 8, 2019 14:29:16 GMT
mixed feelings. it's far from an outright *bad* movie, but it's built around a very weak screenplay with some... questionable decisions.
once again, we see a woman become the most powerful person on the planet, only to her power drive her mad. that would be interesting to watch, if not once again we had any screen time that should've been dedicated to said woman's internal struggle instead be about the men in her life going suffering for her. once again, we see said powerful, title-character woman being thrown to the sidelines of her own game, and become a mere symbol for other (male) people to reflect on.
other than some lame "talking to herself in the rain" scene, we never see jean grey's agency over her own destiny. she starts being xavier's pawn, then begs to be magneto's pawn, and then becomes some random alien's pawn. instead of developing jean's arc (which begins already in a very underwhelming fashion, as we never really know who she is *before* the phoenix accident), she's thrown around from mentor to mentor, despite overpowering every single one of them because it's more important to see how xavier, cyclops, beast and magneto feel about her powers, what they think jean represents, what use should her powers have...
so yeah, it's a girl power movie in which the girl power only exists to further other men's arc. jean grey is reduced to a walking macguffin in her own movie: had she been a computer or a stone, dark phoenix could've been the same movie. the female point of view doesn't matter: we seen jean through everyone's eyes, but we never get more then the occasional glimpse of her vision.
I like many of the ideas dark phoenix tries to bring into the table: to be a serious super-hero movie. i respect how it chooses to have literally no humor and very reduced action pieces. i respect that it wants be a drama. I just resent that all these ideas are half-baked and not very well-done.
other than that ridiculous, pandering "x-women" scene (that feels very out of place in a franchise focused on two men, and more specifically, in a movie that chooses to treat its main female lead as a macguffin) and jessica chastain's wooden acting, there aren't really disastruous moments. the action scenes are harmless, the vfx is beautiful, the acting overall is okay (sophie turner and mcavoy are the standouts)... but when it all ends, it feels incredibly pointless, and you can feel that it was written and executed on autopilot.
my rating: 5/10.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 8, 2019 14:45:50 GMT
I thought it was rather good overall. Most films in any of the realms of superheroes don't manage to break out of the average and ordinary, and this one is no different. The impressive action sequences, we're enough to balance out the crappier moments of the story, of which there were many. The best marvel related film of the year so far, although that's hardly a compliment. 6.5/10
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