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Post by Viced on May 30, 2019 21:51:21 GMT
s... Well that was a mouthful that didn't even fit in the title, but you know what I mean. I'll start with... Kurt Russell in Tombstone. Everyone (that's not a pleb) recognizes the GOATness of Val's Doc Holliday, but Kurt carried the absolute hell out of that movie (in more ways than one).
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Post by stephen on May 30, 2019 21:55:28 GMT
Kirk Douglas is pretty damn good in Spartacus but he's surrounded by a veritable murderer's row of supporting actors playing it to the hilt: Olivier. Laughton. Ustinov (in the finest performance the category ever saw). Plus Jean Simmons is a delight.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 30, 2019 22:04:46 GMT
I'm not the biggest Liam Neeson fan but he's great as Schindler.........Ralph Fiennes however is on the GOAT shortlist in Support.......
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Post by Martin Stett on May 30, 2019 22:07:18 GMT
I mentioned Pamela Franklin making Maggie Smith look bad in comparison when they were part of The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Franklin's Brutus to Smith's Caesar.
Deborah Kerr is fantastic in Black Narcissus, but there's a reason everyone remembers Kathleen Byron.
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Post by Viced on May 30, 2019 22:45:05 GMT
I think it took me 3 viewings of Mean Streets to realize how brilliant Harvey is in it...
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Post by pupdurcs on May 30, 2019 22:57:33 GMT
Kirk Douglas is pretty damn good in Spartacus but he's surrounded by a veritable murderer's row of supporting actors playing it to the hilt: Olivier. Laughton. Ustinov (in the finest performance the category ever saw). Plus Jean Simmons is a delight. Completely disagree with this. Spartacus isn't Douglas greatest performance (probably not even in his top 5. He has a lot to choose from), but it's by a country mile his most iconic performance. In a single film, he became the standard bearer for the genre. It's impossible to overshadow Douglas in this film. It's a similar situation with Russell Crowe in Gladiator. Someone might feel Joaquin Phoneix, Oliver Reed or Richard Harris are playing more "colorful roles" to the hilt than the stoic Maximus, but it's Crowe's film. The first thing anyone thinks about when you mention Spartacus isn't Ustinov or Olivier or Laughton....It's Douglas.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 30, 2019 23:01:20 GMT
s... Well that was a mouthful that didn't even fit in the title, but you know what I mean. I'll start with... Kurt Russell in Tombstone. Everyone (that's not a pleb) recognizes the GOATness of Val's Doc Holliday, but Kurt carried the absolute hell out of that movie (in more ways than one). Now this is a good example. Tombstone has basically become recognised as "the Val Kilmer show", despite pretty much the whole cast crushing it.
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Post by stephen on May 30, 2019 23:31:20 GMT
Kirk Douglas is pretty damn good in Spartacus but he's surrounded by a veritable murderer's row of supporting actors playing it to the hilt: Olivier. Laughton. Ustinov (in the finest performance the category ever saw). Plus Jean Simmons is a delight. Completely disagree with this. Spartacus isn't Douglas greatest performance (probably not even in his top 5. He has a lot to choose from), but it's by a country mile his most iconic performance. In a single film, he became the standard bearer for the genre. It's impossible to overshadow Douglas in this film. It's a similar situation with Russell Crowe in Gladiator. Someone might feel Joaquin Phoneix, Oliver Reed or Richard Harris are playing more "colorful roles" to the hilt than the stoic Maximus, but it's Crowe's film. The first thing anyone thinks about when you mention Spartacus isn't Ustinov or Olivier or Laughton....It's Douglas. A reasonable rebuttal, and not one I entirely disagree with. But I just think that it's fascinating that Douglas, despite being the face of the picture, felt the need to cede the film's showier scenes to other acting titans -- it speaks to a creative generosity that you hardly saw back in those days from movie stars who were the force behind the movies they made.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 30, 2019 23:42:54 GMT
Completely disagree with this. Spartacus isn't Douglas greatest performance (probably not even in his top 5. He has a lot to choose from), but it's by a country mile his most iconic performance. In a single film, he became the standard bearer for the genre. It's impossible to overshadow Douglas in this film. It's a similar situation with Russell Crowe in Gladiator. Someone might feel Joaquin Phoneix, Oliver Reed or Richard Harris are playing more "colorful roles" to the hilt than the stoic Maximus, but it's Crowe's film. The first thing anyone thinks about when you mention Spartacus isn't Ustinov or Olivier or Laughton....It's Douglas. A reasonable rebuttal, and not one I entirely disagree with. But I just think that it's fascinating that Douglas, despite being the face of the picture, felt the need to cede the film's showier scenes to other acting titans -- it speaks to a creative generosity that you hardly saw back in those days from movie stars who were the force behind the movies they made. True. It also speaks to Douglas confidence in his own abilities as a film actor that he could cede so much to such gifted supporting players, and still come out as the gravitational centre of the movie. He knew that his was mostly a physical role. He gets to give the odd rousing speech here or there, but for the most part, Spartacus isn't super-chatty. And Douglas is an actor that can chew dialogue with the best of them.But Douglas renders so much pain and anger and vulnerability in his many silent close-ups, that he manages to "steal back" his own picture from the trio of Brits trading barbed witticisms. We admire the intelligence of the supporting Brits, but emotionally, Douglas makes sure the audience are his, even when he says nothing (which is often).
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Post by stephen on May 30, 2019 23:50:33 GMT
A reasonable rebuttal, and not one I entirely disagree with. But I just think that it's fascinating that Douglas, despite being the face of the picture, felt the need to cede the film's showier scenes to other acting titans -- it speaks to a creative generosity that you hardly saw back in those days from movie stars who were the force behind the movies they made. True. It also speaks to Douglas confidence in his own abilities as a film actor that he could cede so much to such gifted supporting players, and still come out as the gravitational centre of the movie. He knew that his was mostly a physical role. He gets to give the odd rousing speech here or there, but for the most part, Spartacus isn't super-chatty. And Douglas is an actor that can chew dialogue with the best of them.But Douglas renders so much pain and anger and vulnerability in his many silent close-ups, that he manages to "steal back" his own picture from the trio of Brits trading barbed witticisms. We admire the intelligence of the supporting Brits, but emotionally, Douglas makes sure the audience are his, even when he says nothing (which is often). Indeed. I should also point out that Ustinov is my #1 of all time in supporting actor, so when I saw the OP's header of "all-timer supporting performance," my mind immediately went there.
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Post by stephen on May 31, 2019 0:30:20 GMT
Tom Hanks has kind of become the king of this lately. First Barkhad Abdi, then Mark Rylance: both of whom I would comfortably say are all-timers. And while Hanks gets his due for the final scene of Captain Phillips, the rest of this performance remains painfully underdiscussed and he was legitimately amazing in Bridge of Spies in his own right.
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Post by bob-coppola on May 31, 2019 1:20:24 GMT
Bale and Ledger in The Dark Knight.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 31, 2019 1:52:00 GMT
Miles Teller in Whiplash.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 31, 2019 1:56:53 GMT
Bale and Ledger in The Dark Knight. Was gonna mention that, except Bale comes in for a fair bit of criticism for his Dark Knight performance, particularly how excessively silly his "Bat-Voice" sounded (and it launched a thousand memes and parodies). You could easily argue that Aaron Eckhart and Gary Oldman were also stronger than Bale. Bale basically saved his worst/ weakest performance as Batman for the most acclaimed movie. He performances seemed less forced in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises, where he was arguably the MVP.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 2:05:01 GMT
Dana Andrews in The Best Years of Our Lives.
Liotta easily gives the best performance in Goodfellas.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 31, 2019 2:34:23 GMT
Robert De Niro is doing some amazing capital-A acting in The Deer Hunter, but Christopher Walken went and gave a performance that could reasonably be called the greatest ever filmed.
Inglourious Basterds perhaps should have been a star-making showcase for Mélanie Laurent, but instead it made Christoph Waltz the talk of the town.
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Post by countjohn on May 31, 2019 2:42:57 GMT
Eastwood with Eli Wallach in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Harrison Ford with Rutger Hauer in Blade Runner (but Sean Young is better than both of them)
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Post by TerryMontana on May 31, 2019 9:34:59 GMT
Midnight Cowboy Deer Hunter Also Inglourious Basterds. Pitt was amazing but Herr Hans Landa was even better.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 31, 2019 10:34:11 GMT
Joe Pesci is absolutely brilliant in My Cousin Vinny.
Perhaps it isn't as much of a problem here, but De Niro generally isn't getting the credit he deserves for his work in The Deer Hunter, which is among his very best...if not his best.
Keira Knightley and James McAvoy are both great in Atonement, and the three main supporting ladies always get the bulk of the plaudits.
Michael Keaton is particularly good in Batman Returns, but people seem to remember it as the Pfeiffer show. Quite similarly, Bruce Willis in Die Hard is very underrated opposite Rickman.
John Cleese is the star of A Fish Called Wanda as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by jimmalone on May 31, 2019 10:50:43 GMT
As much as I love Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones, but Sean Connery totally steals "Last Crusade".
I think A Few Good Men is Tom Cruise's best performance ever, but still actingwise Jack Nicholson commands every scene he is in.
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Post by demille on May 31, 2019 12:49:08 GMT
Gene Tierney and, particularly, Dana Andrews are great in Laura. Clifton Webb, however, does seem to garner the majority of the acclaim for his excellent supporting performance.
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Post by JangoB on May 31, 2019 12:58:33 GMT
Burt Reynolds and Julianne Moore are usually brought up while discussing the acting in Boogie Nights but I always thought that Mark Wahlberg was a fantastic lead in that with just the perfect mix of almost child-like naivete and the more grown-up exuberance and even danger.
Folks were so in love with Simmons in Whiplash that they seemed to forget that Miles Teller is pretty damn wonderful in it, particularly in making us truly believe in his intense determination.
Jamie Foxx is surrounded by astonishing performers in Django Unchained but I thought he was a terrific spaghetti western lead - quiet, mysterious, cool, noble and truly heroic without calling too much attention to it.
I also think that Kevin Costner was a great lead in The Untouchables and especially JFK.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on May 31, 2019 14:35:06 GMT
Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet and Gene Hackman in Unforgiven are the first ones coming to mind. Despite how great the leads are, it's for them that I keep coming back to those films.
Winona Ryder was great in Girl, Interrupted, but Angelina Jolie completely stole the show (and the awards) from her with her performance.
Agree with the ones mentioned so far except maybe Clifton Webb in Laura. I found his performance rather unnatural and mannered. There's a certain thing about some films and performances of this period that I find a big turn-off, which is when actors are standing up rigidly and deliver their lines as if they were robots, sometimes too fast and almost overlapping other actors' voices. It's been many years since I saw Laura, but I remember feeling like that about Webb's performance.
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Post by themoviesinner on May 31, 2019 15:06:42 GMT
First film that comes to mind is The Seventh Seal, where Max Von Sydow is fantastic in, undoubtedly, one of his best performances, but he is overshadowed by Bengt Ekerot.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 31, 2019 15:28:45 GMT
Humphrey Bogart was terrific in the Maltese Falcon but Peter Lorre and (especially) Sydney Greenstreet stole the show for me.
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