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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 14:52:17 GMT
Between the two, who would you say is the preeminent American actress of her generation?
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 29, 2019 15:00:15 GMT
JLaw for sure
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Post by pacinoyes on May 29, 2019 15:01:17 GMT
Hmmmmm...........that's like saying between Walken and Voight who is the preeminent actor of their generation - it's neither Like I have said a ton on here - and nobody ever replies because they think talking acting is stupid or weird I guess - Lawrence does not have the technical capabilities to act with other actresses if you try to compare her. What she has is a unique intuitive sense - she's a "natural" and her closest precedent is Debra Winger. Sometimes she can muscle though parts she doesn't have the background for.......other times not so much. Stone has the background but if she ever takes hold of a project like SLP by THE THROAT and gets anywhere near the uncomfortable depths of non-acting that Lawrence can get to well, it will be a first..........on the other hand, what Lawrence has doesn't lend itself to careers.......it lends itself to message board nerds saying "see, I told you she was never that good!" and what happens to Debra Winger.
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Post by stephen on May 29, 2019 15:06:17 GMT
In terms of pure, innate talent and potential, I think Lawrence still stands at the top of her generation. What she did in The Burning Plain and especially Winter's Bone is some of the most astonishing naturalistic acting I've seen from an actress at that age, and you could tell watching her that there was more where that came from. Unfortunately, she started getting co-opted by David O. Russell, who saw her offscreen persona and started trying to force her into roles that she really wasn't suited for, physically or age-wise. She managed to get away with it in Silver Linings Playbook, but she was horridly miscast in American Hustle (and I think a lot could have been fixed if she and the equally-miscast Adams had swapped roles) and she was easily a decade too young for Joy (which I still think is her best actual work with DOR in terms of performance, but still suffering from the issues of the earlier roles). She was also caught up in the franchise machine for both Hunger Games (where she is legitimately good but working with basic material/directors) and X-Men (where, after the first film, she really feels wasted), and Passengers did her no favors. I think Lawrence needs to go back to the indie well and rework herself, see if she can catch onto that initial spark and build on it.
Stone, on the other hand, easily has the best catalogue of films and, unlike Lawrence (who has stagnated of late, despite me really enjoying Red Sparrow), she is getting better and better. She's always been good, and honestly I think she's more suited for the roles that DOR tried to force Lawrence into. Both actresses project maturity, but in Lawrence's case it's more of an inner, wise-beyond-her-years energy, whereas with Stone, she just presents herself as naturally older than she is. She's also shown herself to be much more versatile, much more ambitious, and while she has dipped her toe in the franchise pool, she doesn't let it define her. I think that Stone's Oscar win will also age better than Lawrence's.
I love them both, I consider them to be the apex of their generation in terms of talent (along with Saoirse), but for now Stone has edged out Lawrence.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 29, 2019 15:23:21 GMT
I find them both enormously likeable as screen actresses and I am never unhappy to see them. They may even get me to watch a film I wouldn't otherwise, based purely one their involvement (Hunger Games, Battle of the Sexes). I think Lawrence has the higher high (Winter's Bone), and she has a wild and unpredictable quality that I love and I don't associate with Stone, but that quality has inevitably led to her having the lower lows. Stone is far more consistent than Lawrence and her very best efforts are cinema magic. I love far more of her works than those from Lawrence, and she is probably my actress of the decade...she's at least there or thereabouts. At the moment I think Queen Saoirse has her number as the best 'young' actress, in terms of how I'm defining 'young' at least, but Stone isn't too far behind. Stone also gets points for being one of the only things about La La Land I wasn't either hating or in complete indifference to. Still, if I had to level a little criticism at her, I don't always find her believable in those moments of big emotion. So, whilst I adore them both, I do give Stone a notable edge. I'd love to see Lawrence get her career back on a steady track, now that the crazy hoopla that was made of her has died down a little. She is such a talent, just like Stone.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:29:10 GMT
I still think this is Stone's best performance. She's my personal Best Actress win for 2017.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 29, 2019 15:30:25 GMT
I still think this is Stone's best performance. She's my personal Best Actress win for 2017. She's great and the film is rather good too. I most likely wouldn't have watched it if she wasn't the lead.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 29, 2019 15:58:51 GMT
I prefer Emma kust a little more.
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Post by Allenism on May 29, 2019 16:09:08 GMT
This is like comparing dinner rolls, there's really not much to it. Lawrence has higher highs but she can also be plain bad and as of late doesn't seem interested in stretching herself as a performer. Stone is sort of shaping up to be a female Jake Gyllenhaal in the sense that she's racking up a truly enviable list of projects but her performances therein typically fall short. I do think she has more potential to grow as an actress than Lawrence does, though.
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Post by countjohn on May 29, 2019 21:02:38 GMT
This is one of those classic debates of consistency vs. peak. Lawrence has has given some downright atrocious and embarrassing performances, but Winter's Bone and Silver Linings Playbook are far better than anything Stone has done. Stone is always solid but she's never blown me away in anything. If I was casting a movie I am the kind of person who would look for the dependable professional more than someone unpredictable so I would be more inclined to cast Stone. But based on what they've done so far I would say Lawrence will be remembered as having the better career because people tend to remember the great moments and forget about the bad stuff (or in Stone's case the "pretty good" stuff). Of course there's still plenty of time for this to change for both of them, though.
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Post by jimmalone on May 29, 2019 21:18:45 GMT
Lawrence has certainly more potential and while lately Stone has got the better roles and gave some strong performances herself all of her work is far behind Silver Linings Playbook or Winter's Bone.
So: Lawrence
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Post by tastytomatoes on May 29, 2019 21:33:35 GMT
Jennifer Lawrence has shown more range and screen presence. Terrific actress
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 23:05:22 GMT
I much prefer Stone.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 29, 2019 23:48:12 GMT
Lawrence still although Stone has been on a role lately and I have come around to really liking her last couple of performances.
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Post by bob-coppola on May 30, 2019 0:34:19 GMT
I will die defending Lawrence. If her movies were as good as Stone's, it'd be no contest - and I love Stone.
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Post by Viced on May 30, 2019 0:48:20 GMT
Lawrence still although Stone has been on a role lately Merc's true identity revealed.
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Post by stabcaesar on May 30, 2019 0:53:36 GMT
Easily Emma Stone. Jennifer Lawrence has nothing worth noting beyond Winter's Bone (which is admittedly stunning work; though I've never seen any of her earlier work), Emma Stone on the other hand has had La La Land and The Favourite, which are better than the garbage Lawrence has been in.
Emma Stone's persona is also far more down-to-earth whereas Jennifer Lawrence gets more and more obnoxious by day.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 30, 2019 2:20:46 GMT
Lawrence still although Stone has been on a role lately Merc's true identity revealed. Touché
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Post by Zeb31 on May 31, 2019 2:26:44 GMT
Stephen's already nailed it.
Lawrence has plenty of natural talent and can be supremely charismatic on screen, but nothing that she's done after Winter's Bone and Silver Linings Playbook has adequately tapped into those strengths. Signing up for X-Men and Hunger Games made sense at the time and I also see why she feels so indebted to David O. Russell, but those commitments sucked up way too much of her time in that 2013-2016 stretch and prevented her from seizing that momentum to really challenge herself and tap into what makes her so interesting. mother! stands out as the only legitimately bold move she's made in the time since, regardless of what one thinks of the finished product. As for the rest: Serena... exists, I guess, though I don't really know anybody who's seen it to verify that information; saying yes to Passengers was quite a head-scratcher of a move; and Red Sparrow, while better than I expected, was still very forgettable (and irresponsible, though that's a different discussion). It also doesn't help matters that every time Lawrence gets linked to a potentially exciting filmmaker, either the projects fall apart (Linklater, Spielberg) or someone else gets cast (Tarantino, McQueen). I'm hoping that prison drama she's attached to allows her to hit reset on her career and get back on track.
Stone, on the other hand, has continued to challenge herself and improve as time as time has gone by. It used to be that Lawrence had the higher highs while Stone was more consistent, but then La La Land and especially The Favourite happened, so she might actually beat Lawrence in that regard too, and I haven't even seen Maniac yet (for which she earned some pretty strong praise as well). Stone has the much stronger filmography, has shown more versatility, and seems to be maneuvering her career in a much wiser fashion, which is also paramount for any actor's legacy. She knows her strengths and is wise to choose roles that suit her, which is a quality that (to bring another actress of this generation into the mix) Kristen Stewart also has: she's a much more limited performer than either Lawrence or Stone, but much like the latter, she knows how to pick roles that play to her skills and collaborates with interesting auteurs, which has allowed her to carve out a solid niche for herself even in spite of her shortcomings (and massive internet vitriol). I'll gladly take Stewart's 2016 lineup alone over the entirety of Lawrence's post-Oscar output.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 22, 2023 23:54:35 GMT
In the light of Poor Things, do we have any further commentary? Has Lawrence been market-checked?
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 23, 2023 0:14:06 GMT
Hmmmmm...........that's like saying between Walken and Voight who is the preeminent actor of their generation - it's neither Like I have said a ton on here - and nobody ever replies because they think talking acting is stupid or weird I guess - Lawrence does not have the technical capabilities to act with other actresses if you try to compare her. What she has is a unique intuitive sense - she's a "natural" and her closest precedent is Debra Winger. Sometimes she can muscle though parts she doesn't have the background for.......other times not so much. Stone has the background but if she ever takes hold of a project like SLP by THE THROAT and gets anywhere near the uncomfortable depths of non-acting that Lawrence can get to well, it will be a first..........on the other hand, what Lawrence has doesn't lend itself to careers.......it lends itself to message board nerds saying "see, I told you she was never that good!" and what happens to Debra Winger. Well that didn't age well did it - she's doing it twice this year - she is the premier American actress under 40 now........
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Post by stephen on Dec 23, 2023 0:19:05 GMT
In the light of Poor Things, do we have any further commentary? Has Lawrence been market-checked? Stone's furthered the gulf between them a bit with this and The Curse, although Lawrence's bracingly delightful work in No Hard Feelings shows that with the right material, she is still not to be fucked with, and I could see her doing great things if someone like Lanthimos took her under his wing.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 23, 2023 0:44:02 GMT
In the light of Poor Things, do we have any further commentary? Has Lawrence been market-checked? Stone's furthered the gulf between them a bit with this and The Curse, although Lawrence's bracingly delightful work in No Hard Feelings shows that with the right material, she is still not to be fucked with, and I could see her doing great things if someone like Lanthimos took her under his wing. Who would you cite as potential figures to do this? I feel like aside from her natural comic gifts, Stone has more daring and intrepidness, whether it be capably doing an English accent, insouciant nudity/sexuality (Lawrence beating up those dudes while naked isn't quite the same thing for me), etc. I don't really ever get the sense that Lawrence wants to challenge herself.
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Post by stephen on Dec 23, 2023 0:49:35 GMT
Stone's furthered the gulf between them a bit with this and The Curse, although Lawrence's bracingly delightful work in No Hard Feelings shows that with the right material, she is still not to be fucked with, and I could see her doing great things if someone like Lanthimos took her under his wing. Who would you cite as potential figures to do this? I feel like aside from her natural comic gifts, Stone has more daring and intrepidness, whether it be capably doing an English accent, insouciant nudity/sexuality (Lawrence beating up those dudes while naked isn't quite the same thing for me), etc. I don't really ever get the sense that Lawrence wants to challenge herself. I think Stone's already worked with some of the essential modern auteurs who really challenge their actors to put them out there without safety harnesses: Iñárritu, Lanthimos, the Safdies. I think they could get great work out of Lawrence and push her out of her comfort zone in a major way. Lanthimos seems keen to stick with Stone, having worked with her on five projects (and Margaret Qualley looks to be another muse-in-the-making), but I am sure if Lawrence went to them to pitch a collaboration, they'd hardly turn down an Oscar-winning A-list draw.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Dec 23, 2023 22:11:31 GMT
Comedy..... Lawrence and it's not close. I think Lawrence is the best current comedian.
Drama...... Stone
I prefer Lawrence, but I think unless there's a career turnaround..... Lawrence is gonna be this generation's Marilyn Monroe while Stone is gonna be Ingrid Bergman.
I realize it takes some special kind of iconography and distinction to be Monroe, but I think the comparison is mostly because I expect Lawrence to be known for things besides her movies while Stone is gonna be known for her movies. Much like Monroe is known mostly for her celebrityisms while Bergman is known for her movies.
But that being said, both these girls have A LOT LOT more to yet accomplish.
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