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Post by cornnetto on Mar 13, 2017 4:29:58 GMT
Being a nerd was cool way before The Avengers. based on my memories i would heavily disagree w this This, I'm a bit surprised everytime people are saying that it is cool now, it is accepted and fully mainstream now yes, but cool ? really ? Usually people have in mind Steve Mcqueen and James Bond as cool, not nerds, if it changed it is really recent.
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 13, 2017 4:38:26 GMT
based on my memories i would heavily disagree w this This, I'm a bit surprised everytime people are saying that it is cool now, it is accepted and fully mainstream now yes, but cool ? really ? Usually people have in mind Steve Mcqueen and James Bond as cool, not nerds, if it changed it is really recent. change cool to socially acceptable maybe? anyone wearing a comic book shirt circa 2007 was seen as a p big nerd from my recollections, whereas now it's been hella normalized - in good part because of the reasons jay mentioned.
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Post by no on Mar 13, 2017 5:13:13 GMT
based on my memories i would heavily disagree w this This, I'm a bit surprised everytime people are saying that it is cool now, it is accepted and fully mainstream now yes, but cool ? really ? Usually people have in mind Steve Mcqueen and James Bond as cool, not nerds, if it changed it is really recent. Definitely. I am only speaking on behalf of western culture, and USA in particular, although I am sure it is spreading on a larger scale. Over the last decade, this paradigm shift in society had already began to run its course, The Avengers was just a major film that helped boost this social shift. Generation Y, at least now, is much less likely to look towards Steve McQueen as a role model for cool. James Bond on the other hand, unlike McQueen, still remains somewhat relevant in American pop culture but now in all honesty is more of a staple in nerd culture. The newer films are even taking after MCU and Batman trilogy. But now, people are more likely to meet status quo by becoming tech savy and/or identifying as being a part of a certain niche nerd subculture. People are more likely to idolize super hero character actors as well as people like Neil Degrasse Tyson and Steve Jobs. Nerdiness definitely is becoming the new cool. Honestly, this is much less of an opinion and more of research and statistics.
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Post by The-Havok on Mar 13, 2017 7:38:48 GMT
I do not care much for them but The Avengers and other Marvel Cinematic Universe films collectively are incredibly important on Western culture and society, much more than Citizen Kane ever was. No, not for films, but for society. Google, Apple, The Big Bang Theory, and The Avengers were all major players in the paradigm shift of nerd culture being a niche to prominitely taking over mainstream culture to the point that nerdiness has become the mainstream cool. Being a nerd was cool way before The Avengers. In some ways it was. I remember the Comic Con culture being really huge thanks to Star Wars and the increasing amount of superhero movies and tentpoles on the mid aughts. It also seemed like a safe alternative subculture to those who were too easily impressed but neglectful of mainstream culture yet weren't as neurotic as hipsters. Being a 'nerd' was also cheaper than being a hipster considering most geeky stuff was online based. The early days of the primitive Internet let communities such as ours congregate and have a significant influence on others. The trend was set. But The Avengers and rage comics changed it. They made it more accessible than it already was. And all of those without a damn personality saw it as an opportunity to appropriate an already shitty culture. It was excruciating for those who saw it as something to not have a following of. It still is. Here's hoping the next meme subculture consists of something more stimulating.
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Post by cornnetto on Mar 13, 2017 15:36:05 GMT
This, I'm a bit surprised everytime people are saying that it is cool now, it is accepted and fully mainstream now yes, but cool ? really ? Usually people have in mind Steve Mcqueen and James Bond as cool, not nerds, if it changed it is really recent. change cool to socially acceptable maybe? anyone wearing a comic book shirt circa 2007 was seen as a p big nerd from my recollections, whereas now it's been hella normalized - in good part because of the reasons jay mentioned. Well like I said, accepted and fully mainstream now, yes sure. I don't know about that, Apple product are cooler I would think, specially since they became the less nerd of them all, same for playing video game on a console vs computer. One general point, popularity does not equal coolness, the best selling car in Canada for a long time was the Dodge Caravan and not one was ever consider cool for driving one, same would go for driving a Camry in the US or listening to Adele, no one is cool because he is on Facebook or Twitter. Maybe you are right for the very young (and that would fit the since the MCU element advanced), but it didn't reach the older people yet.
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Post by moonman157 on Mar 13, 2017 16:19:01 GMT
-Miami Vice (2006) while not in the first tier of Mann films, is still a very good, and underrated film to discuss. I think the main saving grace of this film is that it remains still very much at heart a Mann film, and the traits of Mann seen in this film are what's keeping this still a force among a small select group of film buffs. There's still a strong sense of cop tale unraveling, intricate undercover police work, and the vulgarity (which was not present in Heat) gives it a sort of alt-vision vibe. I realize the complaints, and if I may interject some of my own. I do think sometimes it wears a mainstream veneer too strong to be overcome, and thus becomes an easier target to be dismissed as some throwaway explosion film of the commercial variety. I'm not too fond of the Gong/Farrell romance, and that international espionage underpinning became a bit worn out, especially when we saw that in Blackhat. However, Blackhat still had a killer shootout scene, and one thing Mann hasn't lost is that, and even the shootout sequences in Miami Vice are quite good. I will build my unpopular opinion off of yours and say that Miami Vice and Blackhat are two of Mann's very best films and are representative of the pure essence of his artistry.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 13, 2017 17:01:56 GMT
This may not be an unpopular opinion though you wouldn't know it based on what Hollywood is doing, but could we get some damn color back in films? It's getting really tiring how every other damn movie has a muted color scheme. I get it, Saving Private Ryan made a lot of bank and looked cool, but that doesn't mean that the fucking Power Rangers or Superman should look like they have never seen light.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 13, 2017 17:52:21 GMT
-Miami Vice (2006) while not in the first tier of Mann films, is still a very good, and underrated film to discuss. I think the main saving grace of this film is that it remains still very much at heart a Mann film, and the traits of Mann seen in this film are what's keeping this still a force among a small select group of film buffs. There's still a strong sense of cop tale unraveling, intricate undercover police work, and the vulgarity (which was not present in Heat) gives it a sort of alt-vision vibe. I realize the complaints, and if I may interject some of my own. I do think sometimes it wears a mainstream veneer too strong to be overcome, and thus becomes an easier target to be dismissed as some throwaway explosion film of the commercial variety. I'm not too fond of the Gong/Farrell romance, and that international espionage underpinning became a bit worn out, especially when we saw that in Blackhat. However, Blackhat still had a killer shootout scene, and one thing Mann hasn't lost is that, and even the shootout sequences in Miami Vice are quite good. I will build my unpopular opinion off of yours and say that Miami Vice and Blackhat are two of Mann's very best films and are representative of the pure essence of his artistry. I agree they're both representative of Mann, but it's more about how heat, the insider, and thief are god tier movies, and are among an untouchable class.
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Post by cornnetto on Mar 13, 2017 17:57:04 GMT
This may not be an unpopular opinion though you wouldn't know it based on what Hollywood is doing, but could we get some damn color back in films? It's getting really tiring how every other damn movie has a muted color scheme. I get it, Saving Private Ryan made a lot of bank and looked cool, but that doesn't mean that the fucking Power Rangers or Superman should look like they have never seen light. Like you said, it is probably not unpopular, to the point that it is rare for people to go out and say they love it. I too love diversity, and I love colored movie (like Her) from time to time, but I also love desaturated movie from time to time, I do not mind the orange and teal color palette either.
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Post by bob-coppola on Mar 13, 2017 19:24:49 GMT
Being a nerd was cool way before The Avengers. I am referring to the cultural shift amongst social youth in the public school system and beyond. I'm gonna use this as a reply to the other two people who also quoted me, sorry but I'm feeling quite lazy to answer each one haha The OC already had a nerd pretty boy, that was Seth Cohen. He was easily the audience favorite, especially among the teenage girls. And that was 2003. Then we had The Dark Knight, and Heath Ledger + Nolan made comic books not only cool, but also prestigious. The Big Bang Theory was also very important in this phenomenum. It is inarguable that Avengers was a huge deal and made an impact in comic book movies, but the audience was already there for years, consuming products that were already cool when the MCU was crowned the king of pop culture. edit: anyways, I live in Brazil, but I find it very very hard to believe South America embraced The OC and The Dark Knight harder and earlier than USA folks.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 13, 2017 19:38:56 GMT
I am referring to the cultural shift amongst social youth in the public school system and beyond. I'm gonna use this as a reply to the other two people who also quoted me, sorry but I'm feeling quite lazy to answer each one haha The OC already had a nerd pretty boy, that was Seth Cohen. He was easily the audience favorite, especially among the teenage girls. And that was 2003. Then we had The Dark Knight, and Heath Ledger + Nolan made comic books not only cool, but also prestigious. The Big Bang Theory was also very important in this phenomenum. It is inarguable that Avengers was a huge deal and made an impact in comic book movies, but the audience was already there for years, consuming products that were already cool when the MCU was crowned the king of pop culture. edit: anyways, I live in Brazil, but I find it very very hard to believe South America embraced The OC and The Dark Knight harder and earlier than USA folks. The audience was certainly there, but The Avengers helped bring it to the forefront of culture. The OC was popular in its first season, then rapidly declined and this is honestly the first time I've heard that show mentioned in...a decade? The Dark Knight was huge, but it was also treated as sort of the exception that proves the rule since part of what made it so appealing was that it was different from other superhero films with its more grounded approach and functioning as pretty much a crime drama with the main detective being Batman. The Big Bang Theory is one of the biggest shows around, but it's also got a relatively mixed reception in both nerd culture and the general public: there are those that love it and those that hate it, and as far as cultural impact goes it is pretty much just "Bazinga." The Avengers was when all-out nerd culture became the dominant force in culture. It was the culmination of sustained popularity of comic book figures into the mainstream that still retained their silliness, all while having a much greater deal of critical respectability and wide appreciation. It was a huge worldwide phenomenon, changed the landscape of major Hollywood productions (everything is a shared universe now), and either made everybody involved in the project a huge star or made their stardom grow exponentially. Hell, its end credit tease made people give a damn about Thanos. Fuckin' Thanos.
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Post by thelistenercanon on Mar 15, 2017 2:22:17 GMT
Some apply to other areas...
Movies:
Montgomery Clift is the most overrated actor, especially in the classic era and around MA.
Tom Hardy is also unbelievably overrated and plays too many similar roles.
Wes Anderson sucks as a director and The Royal Tenenbaums is as bad as Batman & Robin or Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.
Jessica Lange doesn't seem like an interesting actress to watch especially base on filmography. Probably harsh here but the praise she gets unbelievable!
The African Queen, despite me being K. Hepburn, Bogart (2nd fav actor), and Huston fan, the film is dull.
As a Kubrick fan, I've always found FMJ to be wildly overrated and not amongst his best. Same with SPR and Spielberg. War movies is not my genre.
Super Mario Bros the Movie is not that bad and Dennis Hopper, while not good, is at least enjoyable in it.
Music:
Bruce Springsteen, Ramones, and to some extent, U2 (even in their prime) are the most overrated musical artists ever. Especially applying to The Ramones, they don't play anything special and their songs are too similar. Though I love AC/DC despite criticisms of them sounding similar but Angus's guitar playing and the fact they're hard rock is a plus for me.
(NOTE: Not necessarily unpopular opinion elsewhere but on MA since they seem to get flak or ignored despite how popular they are): Speaking of AC/DC, I think them, Aerosmith, Van Halen, and Guns 'N Roses are amongst the best bands ever, especially in the hard rock genre. Plus, Axl Rose, Steven Tyler (in their prime, not now, gosh no!), and Bon Scott (Brian is okay) are amongst the greatest singers I've heard, though not Freddie level. Slash, EVH, and Angus Young are also amongst the greatest guitar players. And Appetite for Destruction, VH's self titled, Toys in the Attic, and Back in Black are amongst the best albums I've heard, especially AFD which is in my top 10. Again, more in the realm of MA than elsewhere.
Justin Bieber is not that bad of an artist OR singer. People just hate him because they're told too and I enjoy Never Say Never. The song not the movie as I find it boring.
I'm a huge fan of David Bowie, Bob Dylan, and Neil Young as solo artists, but they were never great singers or guitarists (especially Neil Young who plays sloppy despite his attempts at soloing). Just great songwriters that create great songs that praises for me and everyone else.
I get pissed when people just refer to Jimi Hendrix and NEVER The Jimi Hendrix Experience when it comes to musical artists and act like he's a solo act. Mitch Mitchell is an amazing drummer and one of the best. The latter is not that unpopular for music fans.
As a fan and never gets tired of Stairway of Heaven and Bohemian Rhapsody, even I feel Free Bird is too overplayed and overrated. Maybe I'm not a fan of the band or the album on it unlike the previous two songs I said. The guitar solo is not that good and goes on longer than it should be.
Both Music and Movies:
Stairway to Heaven, while highly praised, gets flak for sounding too similar to that ONE chord progression and ONE part of Sprit's Taurus, but Star Wars and the other movies (BTW, I'm also a fan) doesn't despite the fact that it borrows from EVERY movie George Lucas saw as a kid.
Others:
Friends, while enjoyable, is still vastly overrated especially here in MA. In addition to that, Lisa Kudrow is not for me even if she can be enjoyable at times.
Modern Nostalgia Critic is as good as classic NC, and his skits, most of the time, are entertaining and doesn't ruin the flow of the review. He's also getting better with the clipless reviews (mostly that he's not doing them as often and it's shorter), though Hocus Pocus still remains his worst.
Smosh is one of the best YouTubers and the actors they use are funny. I don't mind them in their videos.
E.T. for the Atari isn't that bad from what I saw. It's no different then other Atari games that came out. It's legacy about being buried prompt haters to jump in and claim it's the worst game of all time. Even AVGN agrees.
Sports is boring for me and I would rather go to a science convention.
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Post by thelistenercanon on Mar 15, 2017 2:35:46 GMT
Jessica Lange doesn't seem like an interesting actress to watch especially base on filmography. Probably harsh here but the praise she gets unbelievable! Lange is pretty damn fantastic. Oh well if you're not interested, but the praise is deserved. I understand it's because I haven't seen enough of her work, but presenting you're opinion as if it's a fact. giphy.com/gifs/opinion-the-big-lebowski-well-thats-just-like-your-man-26BRrSvJUa0crqw4E
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Post by jakob on Mar 21, 2017 2:02:20 GMT
Shaun the Sheep Movie is a better silent film than The Artist.
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Post by no on Mar 21, 2017 10:39:36 GMT
I generally do not mind spoilers as they have no effect on my enjoyment of a film, usually.
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Post by Sharbs on Mar 21, 2017 18:26:05 GMT
I generally do not mind spoilers as they have no effect on my enjoyment of a film, usually. Yeah this, and usually after about a month or so I forget about it
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Post by no on Mar 23, 2017 13:02:11 GMT
Many of the opinions in this thread aren't unpopular (possibly including this one?). I wouldn't call many of them necessarily unpopular, but I would say, with the exception of stupid pseudo-philosophical drivel and the "ass > boobs" comments, the opinions do not belong to the majority.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 23, 2017 14:14:50 GMT
Titanic is trash.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 23, 2017 15:21:46 GMT
People act like Oprah is infallible and I just don't get it. Yes, she's pretty much an empire unto herself and I admire her positive influences especially for Saudi women, but this is a woman who understood her tremendous influence on culture (her damn book club alone is indicative of her power) and used that influence to present Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz onto the masses as well as validate Jenny McCarthy's ludicrous claim that there's a link between vaccines and autism. Not only has this totally undermined the scientific literacy of the public by transferring their trust of Oprah onto these people, but it's legitimately caused harm with thousands of people dying to preventable illnesses ever since McCarthy's Oprah appearance spouting total falsehoods. And hardly anybody ever calls her out on it.
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 23, 2017 17:34:10 GMT
People act like Oprah is infallible and I just don't get it. Yes, she's pretty much an empire unto herself and I admire her positive influences especially for Saudi women, but this is a woman who understood her tremendous influence on culture (her damn book club alone is indicative of her power) and used that influence to present Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz onto the masses as well as validate Jenny McCarthy's ludicrous claim that there's a link between vaccines and autism. Not only has this totally undermined the scientific literacy of the public by transferring their trust of Oprah onto these people, but it's legitimately caused harm with thousands of people dying to preventable illnesses ever since McCarthy's Oprah appearance spouting total falsehoods. And hardly anybody ever calls her out on it. in general people validating the whole autism thing seem to rarely get called out on it. wasn't de niro part of that line of thinking as well?
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Mar 23, 2017 18:30:23 GMT
Christian Bale is the most overrated actor ever Nolan's detractors are pathetic The Prestige is trash Having mainstream favorites does not make your taste bad Silence is Scorsese's worst film
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Post by flasuss on Mar 23, 2017 18:45:36 GMT
Nolan's detractors are pathetic The Prestige is trash
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Mar 23, 2017 18:51:05 GMT
Nolan's detractors are pathetic The Prestige is trash I have repeatedly called it his weakest film. His other films are top notch.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 23, 2017 18:59:26 GMT
People act like Oprah is infallible and I just don't get it. Yes, she's pretty much an empire unto herself and I admire her positive influences especially for Saudi women, but this is a woman who understood her tremendous influence on culture (her damn book club alone is indicative of her power) and used that influence to present Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz onto the masses as well as validate Jenny McCarthy's ludicrous claim that there's a link between vaccines and autism. Not only has this totally undermined the scientific literacy of the public by transferring their trust of Oprah onto these people, but it's legitimately caused harm with thousands of people dying to preventable illnesses ever since McCarthy's Oprah appearance spouting total falsehoods. And hardly anybody ever calls her out on it. in general people validating the whole autism thing seem to rarely get called out on it. wasn't de niro part of that line of thinking as well? Indeed. For as much people and the media will get caught up on all sorts of relatively minor issues, it's really troubling how scientific ignorance isn't exposed nearly as much as it needs to be. Vaccines, GMOs, climate change (though that one has gotten enough coverage for a long enough time for people to come around to it), etc.
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