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Post by stephen on Mar 11, 2017 17:42:54 GMT
'Bridge of Spies' is at least as good as 'Spotlight'. It's better in every way than Spotlight, which is still a damn fine film save for Ruffalo.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 11, 2017 17:53:46 GMT
Ass > boobs
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 11, 2017 18:10:04 GMT
Not sure that's so controversial anymore.
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 11, 2017 18:18:30 GMT
this would only be controversial if you hang out with 11 year olds all the time got something to tell us?
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Post by oneflyr on Mar 11, 2017 18:23:19 GMT
Nah, I think it's totally valid, of course, art doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's always a reflexion of society and current trends, context and all that jazz, etc... but when it's pretty much all it has going for it, it becomes more of a baity, opportunistic endeavor, than something that feels like a real, genuine achievement. I think the real challenge is transcending and acquiring that timeless quality that sets pretty much all great films apart ( i.e. Blow Up is a film made in 1966 capturing a very specific time and place that still feels relevant and powerful today, 60 years later)... will we think the same of Moonlight decades from now? I don't think so, but who knows. That's interesting because I've seen more or less the opposite argument: All the politics getting in the way of the beauty of Moonlight (the argument admittedly sounded kind of dumb the way it was presented already though). Personally I can't comment on it because I have not seen the film and I'm only semi-interested. I mean 12 Years a Slave also has 96 on Metacritic and it was a largely unoriginal bore (which is a Shame because that movie was quite good - sorry about the ridiculously bad pun but it wrote itself). I could see how the same inflation could happen to Moonlight (I mean 96 for 12 YAS is fucking ridiculous). If they want so badly to praise and award movies for racial commentary, they could just dig up White Dog and give it all to an actually inventive and provocative film (White Dog is in dire need of critical re-evaluation anyway). Oh don't get me wrong, Moonlight is clearly a film with higher ambitions on a narrative and visual level than 12 Years a Slave, so don't let that deter you from giving it a chance. Most people seem to love it, I just happen to fall on the other end of the spectrum on this one.
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Post by no on Mar 12, 2017 2:58:01 GMT
Pointing out alleged allusions to satanism/paganism can be a perfectly reasonable criticism of Harry Potter.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 12, 2017 3:49:50 GMT
Daylight Savings Time blows.
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Post by ChairfaceC on Mar 12, 2017 3:51:00 GMT
Daylight Savings Time blows. It's not unpopular if it's objectively true.
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Post by harlequinade on Mar 12, 2017 13:11:39 GMT
Logan > TDK
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Post by The-Havok on Mar 12, 2017 20:52:53 GMT
There seems to be a trend or a factor that changed in society in the current decade. People are reliant to base their decisions on their feelings 'at the moment' more promptly than using the head. This has led to a new societal foundation where people seem to have a rejection towards anything logical or future minded. And so, behavior is usually too sensitive or emotional. The present trend could be observed in our current political climate. Like eric said, both SJWs (left) and ethnic nationalists or traditionalists (right) are extremely sensitive towards anything not appealing to their sensibilities.
Some EDM is much better than the alternative rock pretentious normies preach about. I'd take Chez Damier, Flume, Dosem, hybrid artists over crap like Foo Fighters or Muse. That doesn't mean EDM is exempt from being shit. Look at Major Lazer for example.
People should stop eating crap fast food and learn how to cook for themselves or try to go to restaurants with healthy food. There are high chances that the expensive pricing of organic or non plastic food will go down severely if that happens.
Related to the last paragraph, there seems to be an incorrect notion that millenials or the demographic, ranging from the ages of 20 to 35, has a strong preference for veganism or organic food. Which is completely wrong. If something, millenials are probably even less careful in their dietary habits than the past generations. Mostly thanks to the social media indoctrination and being raised by an aggressive consumer culture. Hence why food like bacon or pizza are scarily worshipped on the Internet culture. Tacos (real tacos) for my country but those are surprisingly nutritional unless you dress them with sauce.
Yes. Film is in a very cynical phase right now. It doesn't help that film buffs have crappy preferences. Those which are possibly influenced by the factors affecting millennial behavior as well. Independent or microbudget filmmaking, however, seems to have a resurgence resembling the state of film in the late 50's to the 70's. Sadly enough, the politics are more basic and trite than those 60 years ago
Morality is necessary to the human being. Otherwise we would be on an anarchy. Although, there is a spiritual anarchy latent in our society. The former statement doesn't necessarily mean people should be obsessed with moral conducts. Considerably those which can restrict our freedom.
Like film, art in general seems to be affected by a generation obsessed with irony and degeneracy. The real artists constantly struggle thanks to their rejection of schemes. The most relevant being modern art. The most plausible solution is a change of waves and behavior. But that's supposed to be happening altogether now, which it isn't. Post irony only adds salt to the wound.
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Post by The-Havok on Mar 12, 2017 21:00:20 GMT
modern cinema, and I mean the "art" films and not the blockbusters, have only become better, more accessible and successfully experimental by time. grouping of people, in any damn manner, is the worst fuckin' thing ever thought up by humanity (tho this one would be more controversial in 40s or something) cursing doesn't mean shit. we created it, so if we want, we can remove it. it shouldn't be taken as a big deal. can't say anything about politics lol pizza is overrated as fuck. Accesible and experimental are contradictory from each other. Commercial pizza is overrated and nasty. But gourmet or restaurant pizza can be really good. Thanks to the fresh ingredients and healthy cooking
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Post by moonman157 on Mar 12, 2017 21:17:12 GMT
I would like to advance the opinion that people obsessed with the dietary habits and health of others are really very overrated.
The world is a terrible place, if eating poorly allows us to exit more swiftly then we should be allowed to make that choice.
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Post by The-Havok on Mar 12, 2017 21:29:01 GMT
I would like to advance the opinion that people obsessed with the dietary habits and health of others are really very overrated. The world is a terrible place, if eating poorly allows us to exit more swiftly then we should be allowed to make that choice. Enjoy diabetes then.
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Post by The-Havok on Mar 12, 2017 21:36:00 GMT
I think actual love is lost on this generation and people who are currently married and having kids will only end up leaving their spouses and children. It's all about fucking and the only reason those people stayed together was out of a sense of obligation and not because they really give a shit about each other. Also all the "cute" couples make me sick and I kinda really just want John Legend and Chrissy Teigen to divorce so I can stop hearing about those two dickheads and how they're "goals". The "hard left" is just as awful as the "hard right" in the sense that they all think they're heroes out to do the right thing for their country and fellow citizens when they are mainly looking out for their own self-interests under the pretense of justice or patriotism. The right gets criticized for being hateful cunts but the left reserves all their hate for Christians, which is because the right has a bunch of jackasses calling themselves Christians and spreading a bunch of hateful bile. Of course, that's not to say that everybody in both parties is guilty of such a thing. I'm saying the Tumblr-and-Buzzfeed liberals and the entire comments section on every site (y'know, the ones that get angry when a popular character is race-lifted or gender-flipped) are all a bunch of cockwarts that need to shut the fuck up before they all get their teeth kicked in. A similar sentiment can be said for vegetarians. This is where I'm put in a corner. I would never personally kill an animal, but I have no qualms against eating them. That probably makes me a hypocrite. I have had to see some of those videos that show just how the food I eat is made, and it's indeed fucked up (I saw one video of a pig getting whacked over the head with a sledgehammer and then writhing on the ground in agony and I had to stop before I saw any other shit), but it's beyond my control. But my eyes roll super hard when I see some vegans on my FB feed sharing shit that is basically saying "If you like burgers then you're a fucking murderous asshole". I'm not against sticking to a healthier and "greener" diet for my own sake. But I'm not going to stop eating burgers or chicken or steaks. They're fucking delicious (when cooked and prepared right) and that's that, and if you have a problem with that, then get the fuck out my face. As a stoner, it's bullshit that I'd be denied a job for failing a drug test just because I smoke weed. Before you tell me, "Then just stop smoking weed!", 1) fuck you, and 2) I am perfectly capable of handling tasks when I'm stoned better than most people. That's not to say I smoke weed and go to work, obviously. I'm just saying that what I do on my off time shouldn't affect someone else's decision to hire me. Drug tests should remain applicable to people on harder drugs. I won't be tweaking if I don't smoke a blunt. I'm just eager to roll one up after I get home from the retail hell I'm currently subjected to. Sometimes I wish we didn't have internet and just had an alternate way of obtaining the information we need. The internet is full of distractions and is more often than not used as an outlet for stupidity. Everyone has an opinion that needs to be "better" than the other person's opinion. If you're not following this thing, you're wrong. If you are following that thing, you're super wrong. Also these "advances" in technology have paved the way for internet celebrities. Yes, this is basically a railing against internet celebrities. Fuck you, King Bach. Fuck you, Brittany Furlan. Fuck you, Curtis Lepore, Jenna Marbles, Pewdiepie and all these other sentient jizz stains that got big off of UTTER FUCKING STUPIDITY. I MEAN, "BUT DAT BACKFLIP THO"?? AND NOW THAT MOTHERFUCKER IS IN MOVIES AND TV SHOWS N SHIT???? FUCK YOU MILLENIAL INTERNET CULTURE. FUCK YOU RIGHT IN THE ASS.Also I think mustard is the worst condiment. I actually agree with most of these except for the weed thing
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Post by moonman157 on Mar 12, 2017 22:25:32 GMT
I would like to advance the opinion that people obsessed with the dietary habits and health of others are really very overrated. The world is a terrible place, if eating poorly allows us to exit more swiftly then we should be allowed to make that choice. Enjoy diabetes then. Enjoy your sad sense of superiority over trivialities.
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Post by The-Havok on Mar 12, 2017 22:33:42 GMT
Enjoy your sad sense of superiority over trivialities. Like being 'over' people who care about diet? Also, apparently obesity is a triviality now
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 12, 2017 22:34:12 GMT
Enjoy your sad sense of superiority over trivialities. >people defend casual drug use and then obsess over eating habits shit's nuts
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Post by The-Havok on Mar 12, 2017 22:38:02 GMT
I don't defend drug abuse anymore tbh.
Can't see the correlation between the two of them even so
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 12, 2017 23:29:19 GMT
most people that gripe about other peoples' diets tend to be fuccbois that do coke every other weekend
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 13, 2017 0:23:41 GMT
Off topic
-There are lots of reasons why Trump won, but the main one is his clout with the working class in the manufacturing belt. All of them concerned about their livelihood over anything else. The explanation for that is explained again and again among analysts, documentarians, and journalists, and it's proven at this point that the victims of the 25% manufacturing job loss in the last 20 years are the ones who massively came out to vote for Trump. It's the same class Marine Le Pen has strong clout with in the Northern French belt. This opinion is unpopular simply because it's a fact that most people don't seem to accept.
-Imdb board shutdown was a good thing.
-Teeth are overrated. I mean, of course I like my teeth when I eat, but as an aesthetic, it's nothing I ever look at. I think it stems from people's obsession with uniformity in appearance than anything, and people who says teeth is a dating dealbreaker are probably nitpicking when it's clear that looks overall are way more important.
-Casual bookworm intellectualism is boring, the ones Moonman dismisses is the one closest to my description. The world is full of those vanilla talking people. Also, I think the strength of your speaking tone makes a strong impression, and strong speaking people have an advantage over fairly mild spoken people. I know that kind of sounds like I'm picking an automatic preference based on an inherent characteristic, but this is just my opinion on the art of communication.
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-American Sniper (2014) is actually underrated, and given the nature of films that usually win lots of academy awards, Sniper seemed to actually get less acclaim than a movie of that caliber should, realizing that the twilight Clint years are over, and people may have had a hard time acknowledging Clint was still making films and directed this. As compared to The Hurt Locker, which probably is actually a weaker film but with a stronger sense of war. Just commenting on this small facet, it's nothing too important. I realize the politics of the film, and I won't even get into that, yikes. But of course the U.S. is gonna try to win a war, and use their supposedly superior tactics and technology to do so.
-Miami Vice (2006) while not in the first tier of Mann films, is still a very good, and underrated film to discuss. I think the main saving grace of this film is that it remains still very much at heart a Mann film, and the traits of Mann seen in this film are what's keeping this still a force among a small select group of film buffs. There's still a strong sense of cop tale unraveling, intricate undercover police work, and the vulgarity (which was not present in Heat) gives it a sort of alt-vision vibe. I realize the complaints, and if I may interject some of my own. I do think sometimes it wears a mainstream veneer too strong to be overcome, and thus becomes an easier target to be dismissed as some throwaway explosion film of the commercial variety. I'm not too fond of the Gong/Farrell romance, and that international espionage underpinning became a bit worn out, especially when we saw that in Blackhat. However, Blackhat still had a killer shootout scene, and one thing Mann hasn't lost is that, and even the shootout sequences in Miami Vice are quite good.
-Carol (2015) really sucks, just so bland and boring.
-Lisa Kudrow has more talent in her fingernails than Anne Hathaway has overall.
-Armageddon > Gone With the Wind. Maybe Citizen Kane too.
-As many people have said about Moonlight, it's simply a crappy movie. And Barry Jenkins is the Paul Haggis of this current film period. So much regurgitating storylines, ridiculous situations, faux backdrop of coincidence, expecting and knowing that something bad or unfortunate will happen to the characters at a random point. Crash can be taken as at least an alt-camp movie, but I just don't see really anything to talk about with Moonlight except for socialpolitics or analyzing its relevance in the year 2016 and 2017 (but I doubt will be discussed beyond that). The only reason Jenkins isn't pummeled to the level of Haggis is because Moonlight has an element of academia that Crash lacks. Haggis is at least not bad for a televison writer. Jenkins... , no redeeming features I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 2:22:21 GMT
modern cinema, and I mean the "art" films and not the blockbusters, have only become better, more accessible and successfully experimental by time. grouping of people, in any damn manner, is the worst fuckin' thing ever thought up by humanity (tho this one would be more controversial in 40s or something) cursing doesn't mean shit. we created it, so if we want, we can remove it. it shouldn't be taken as a big deal. can't say anything about politics lol pizza is overrated as fuck. Accesible and experimental are contradictory from each other. Commercial pizza is overrated and nasty. But gourmet or restaurant pizza can be really good. Thanks to the fresh ingredients and healthy cooking yesss now that i notice it does look like i mean both at the same time, which it isnt in most cases. yes i do think the restaurant pizzas are more "food"ic (if thats a word) than the commercial ones
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Post by hypnosis on Mar 13, 2017 3:22:02 GMT
The most patriotic people I know are also the stupidest. Men who wear tshirts saying 'This is what a feminist looks like' are just narcissists. Almost everybody in a minority would become the type of people in power that they despise if they got what they want. Almost everybody that hears about a death or tragedy has the thought, 'How can I make this about me'. If you have devoted any time to that facebook flag as a profile pic stuff after a tragedy...you are most probably an idiot. Jennifer Lawrence's stories are all made-up...that's why I don't find her funny.
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Post by bob-coppola on Mar 13, 2017 3:39:44 GMT
I do not care much for them but The Avengers and other Marvel Cinematic Universe films collectively are incredibly important on Western culture and society, much more than Citizen Kane ever was. No, not for films, but for society. Google, Apple, The Big Bang Theory, and The Avengers were all major players in the paradigm shift of nerd culture being a niche to prominitely taking over mainstream culture to the point that nerdiness has become the mainstream cool. Being a nerd was cool way before The Avengers.
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 13, 2017 3:52:42 GMT
I do not care much for them but The Avengers and other Marvel Cinematic Universe films collectively are incredibly important on Western culture and society, much more than Citizen Kane ever was. No, not for films, but for society. Google, Apple, The Big Bang Theory, and The Avengers were all major players in the paradigm shift of nerd culture being a niche to prominitely taking over mainstream culture to the point that nerdiness has become the mainstream cool. Being a nerd was cool way before The Avengers. based on my memories i would heavily disagree w this
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Post by no on Mar 13, 2017 4:14:09 GMT
I do not care much for them but The Avengers and other Marvel Cinematic Universe films collectively are incredibly important on Western culture and society, much more than Citizen Kane ever was. No, not for films, but for society. Google, Apple, The Big Bang Theory, and The Avengers were all major players in the paradigm shift of nerd culture being a niche to prominitely taking over mainstream culture to the point that nerdiness has become the mainstream cool. Being a nerd was cool way before The Avengers. I am referring to the cultural shift amongst social youth in the public school system and beyond.
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