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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 4, 2019 22:43:32 GMT
Curious - Do those of you who vehemently oppose abortion under nearly all circumstances also support laws that would demand more of fathers? Adding to this, the same must be asked about expectant mothers getting government assistance to support themselves: free access to contraceptives in the first place, and then free access to State-subsidized healthcare (consultations, medication, dietary supplements), paid maternity and paternity leave, welfare support, whatever's needed. No. Learn some responsibility you lazy arsehole.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 4, 2019 22:45:27 GMT
Well........not my fight, but I would think this is a no-brainer slam dunk. That would be a moral position and the moral position (again, imo) is all on the pro-life side as I said earlier. I think that this would be true if Republicans were actually "pro-Life" (i.e. supportive of common sense gun control, universal healthcare, greater access to quality education, and protections for the environment), not just "pro-Birth." There is no morality in forcing a woman to do something she isn't ready and/or capable of doing, and then providing her no assistance with the task. How about a law which states that the only place where a man can legally ejaculate is inside a woman's vagina? I wonder how the tables would turn if a man's right to privacy and autonomy were threatened. What kind of dumb cunt paragraphs were they?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 4, 2019 22:48:03 GMT
I'm not familiar with American laws on this. In Italy, fathers are obliged to recognize the paternity of the child (if they refuse and there's a clue they might be the father, they are obliged to get the DNA test. Refusing to take the test allows the court to declare the paternity), and this means full support for the baby (financially but even morally / taking care of him/her and so on). Children born outside a marriage have the exact same rights as the others. American law doesn't really differ in this way, but I'm wondering how this would factor into cases of rape? Under these laws being passed, a woman having an abortion after a rape would be punished more severely than the man who raped her. I hope you at least take issue with this? I mean, how can you deny that that isn't misogyny at its deepest? You really are a fucking imbecile. A man goes to jail if proven to have raped someone and you're saying motherhood is more of a punishment than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 18:54:07 GMT
American law doesn't really differ in this way, but I'm wondering how this would factor into cases of rape? Under these laws being passed, a woman having an abortion after a rape would be punished more severely than the man who raped her. I hope you at least take issue with this? I mean, how can you deny that that isn't misogyny at its deepest? You really are a fucking imbecile. A man goes to jail if proven to have raped someone and you're saying motherhood is more of a punishment than that. The woman would be tried for murder, actually, which is a higher crime than rape - so, to break it down for you, a woman aborting a pregnancy conceived through rape (in Georgia and Alabama) would be tried for murder, while the man who raped her would be tried for the lesser crime of rape. Do you not understand that?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 13, 2020 19:43:34 GMT
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 16, 2020 19:16:02 GMT
You really are a fucking imbecile. A man goes to jail if proven to have raped someone and you're saying motherhood is more of a punishment than that. The woman would be tried for murder, actually, which is a higher crime than rape - so, to break it down for you, a woman aborting a pregnancy conceived through rape (in Georgia and Alabama) would be tried for murder, while the man who raped her would be tried for the lesser crime of rape. Do you not understand that? Yeah I understand that and I agree with it. A child doesn't get choose his or her scumbag father and shouldn't be punished for it.
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 14, 2020 15:05:23 GMT
You really are a fucking imbecile. A man goes to jail if proven to have raped someone and you're saying motherhood is more of a punishment than that. The woman would be tried for murder, actually, which is a higher crime than rape - so, to break it down for you, a woman aborting a pregnancy conceived through rape (in Georgia and Alabama) would be tried for murder, while the man who raped her would be tried for the lesser crime of rape. Do you not understand that? You cannot confund sawdust with bread crumbs. One thing is the process other the sanction. I don't know how exactly are the Georgia and Alabama Penalty law.- Forensic now at days, is certain.- A woman always could argue several things that limitated her responsability or even justify her acts as exceptions. No woman should be punish for trying for survive, when child right to birth collide with his mother right lo live, the mother wins end of discussion.- The judge needs the medicine experts as proficient, to judge.- A man who rape, and is denounced immediately, his defense usually is extremely weak.- Any way I think the doctors should be punished, not the women. Women could be punish by civil law, not penal law.-
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Post by Pasquale on Jul 14, 2020 16:59:26 GMT
No woman should be punish for trying for survive, when child right to birth collide with his mother right lo live, the mother wins end of discussion.- Shouldn't a woman for lack of a better word, grow some balls and let, for lack of a better word, chance, decide which human entity is worthier, between the two?
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 21, 2020 0:27:11 GMT
The woman would be tried for murder, actually, which is a higher crime than rape - so, to break it down for you, a woman aborting a pregnancy conceived through rape (in Georgia and Alabama) would be tried for murder, while the man who raped her would be tried for the lesser crime of rape. Do you not understand that? Yeah I understand that and I agree with it. A child doesn't get choose his or her scumbag father and shouldn't be punished for it. You really should stop calling everyone dumb cunts when your abortion views make it clear you're a GIANT dumb brainwashed misogynistic loathsome CUNT-PRICK-SCUMFUCK. Oh well, abortion remains readily available and LEGAL in both America and your beloved Ireland...buahahahahaHAHAHA!! I wish people would be less polite to these anti-choice fascist pieces of shit. It's pretty clear science that a fetus is NOT a human being. FACT, quit the braindead argument swelling in your brain, you're WRONG and it's NOT a human life. And anyone who thinks they can tell a woman what she can do with her body is a DUMB FASCIST CUNT. I don't care if their Neanderthal view comes from religious brainwashing or their try-hard edgelord desire (like You) to insecurely & disingenuously cling into "3rd grade MRA Jordan Peterson" logic. You can all fuck yourselves to death and you will ALWAYS be on the defensive and NEVER win on this issue. VIVA ABORTION!! 👏🙏👏
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 21, 2020 1:00:23 GMT
Yeah I understand that and I agree with it. A child doesn't get choose his or her scumbag father and shouldn't be punished for it. You really should stop calling everyone dumb cunts when your abortion views make it clear you're a GIANT dumb brainwashed misogynistic loathsome CUNT-PRICK-SCUMFUCK. Oh well, abortion remains readily available and LEGAL in both America and your beloved Ireland...buahahahahaHAHAHA!! I wish people would be less polite to these anti-choice fascist pieces of shit. It's pretty clear science that a fetus is NOT a human being. FACT, quit the braindead argument swelling in your brain, you're WRONG and it's NOT a human life. And anyone who thinks they can tell a woman what she can do with her body is a DUMB FASCIST CUNT. I don't care if their Neanderthal view comes from religious brainwashing or their try-hard edgelord desire (like You) to insecurely & disingenuously cling into "3rd grade MRA Jordan Peterson" logic. You can all fuck yourselves to death and you will ALWAYS be on the defensive and NEVER win on this issue. VIVA ABORTION!! 👏🙏👏 Sunshine, I'm being serious here when I say that you need help. Your behaviour is not normal and it reeks of someone with severe anger and paranoia problems.
As for your accusations and opinions about me, I am in no way a religious man and I have a low opinion about people who actually believe that bollocks. I think you need to learn what fascism is also, if you know your history it was the fascists that forced abortion on the Jews and the communists in the Soviet Union and China which either encouraged it or forced it on their population. I am in no way a fascist and in terms of political beliefs I would be described as a classical liberal. It's not misogynistic to be against abortion since 40% of women in America are against it and half of the aborted fetuses are female which I want to stop. I'd also feel the exact same way if men were the carriers and not women.
You seem to think it's settled science that fetuses aren't human even though no scientist has ever said that and what the fuck else are they? Donkeys? The Republic of Ireland has not made abortions legal, they've just taken away a constitutional guarantee that protects the unborn. The legislation for when and how abortions are permitted still has to come into effect. In Northern Ireland it remains illegal.
Oh and lastly you really are the biggest dumb cunt here even moreso than the idiot socialists and social justice warriors on this ridiculous forum. OK dumb cunt.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 21, 2020 1:07:49 GMT
You really should stop calling everyone dumb cunts when your abortion views make it clear you're a GIANT dumb brainwashed misogynistic loathsome CUNT-PRICK-SCUMFUCK. Oh well, abortion remains readily available and LEGAL in both America and your beloved Ireland...buahahahahaHAHAHA!! I wish people would be less polite to these anti-choice fascist pieces of shit. It's pretty clear science that a fetus is NOT a human being. FACT, quit the braindead argument swelling in your brain, you're WRONG and it's NOT a human life. And anyone who thinks they can tell a woman what she can do with her body is a DUMB FASCIST CUNT. I don't care if their Neanderthal view comes from religious brainwashing or their try-hard edgelord desire (like You) to insecurely & disingenuously cling into "3rd grade MRA Jordan Peterson" logic. You can all fuck yourselves to death and you will ALWAYS be on the defensive and NEVER win on this issue. VIVA ABORTION!! 👏🙏👏 Sunshine, I'm being serious here when I say that you need help. Your behaviour is not normal and it reeks of someone with severe anger and paranoia problems.
As for your accusations and opinions about me, I am in no way a religious man and I have a low opinion about people who actually believe that bollocks. I think you need to learn what fascism is also, if you know your history it was the fascists that forced abortion on the Jews and the communists in the Soviet Union and China which either encouraged it or forced it on their population. I am in no way a fascist and in terms of political beliefs I would be described as a classical liberal. It's not misogynistic to be against abortion since 40% of women in America are against it and half of the aborted fetuses are female which I want to stop. I'd also feel the exact same way if men were the carriers and not women.
You seem to think it's settled science that fetuses aren't human even though no scientist has ever said that and what the fuck else are they? Donkeys? The Republic of Ireland has not made abortions legal, they've just taken away a constitutional guarantee that protects the unborn. The legislation for when and how abortions are permitted still has to come into effect. In Northern Ireland it remains illegal.
Oh and lastly you really are the biggest dumb cunt here even moreso than the idiot socialists and social justice warriors on this ridiculous forum. OK dumb cunt.
Clovertwat, I'm being serious when I say your mommy would have saved the world a whole lot of grief & cringe if she'd evicted your unborn/not-human ass when you were still in the womb...or if she'd at least swallowed.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 21, 2020 2:17:49 GMT
Sunshine, I'm being serious here when I say that you need help. Your behaviour is not normal and it reeks of someone with severe anger and paranoia problems.
As for your accusations and opinions about me, I am in no way a religious man and I have a low opinion about people who actually believe that bollocks. I think you need to learn what fascism is also, if you know your history it was the fascists that forced abortion on the Jews and the communists in the Soviet Union and China which either encouraged it or forced it on their population. I am in no way a fascist and in terms of political beliefs I would be described as a classical liberal. It's not misogynistic to be against abortion since 40% of women in America are against it and half of the aborted fetuses are female which I want to stop. I'd also feel the exact same way if men were the carriers and not women.
You seem to think it's settled science that fetuses aren't human even though no scientist has ever said that and what the fuck else are they? Donkeys? The Republic of Ireland has not made abortions legal, they've just taken away a constitutional guarantee that protects the unborn. The legislation for when and how abortions are permitted still has to come into effect. In Northern Ireland it remains illegal.
Oh and lastly you really are the biggest dumb cunt here even moreso than the idiot socialists and social justice warriors on this ridiculous forum. OK dumb cunt.
Clovertwat, I'm being serious when I say your mommy would have saved the world a whole lot of grief & cringe if she'd evicted your unborn/not-human ass when you were still in the womb...or if she'd at least swallowed. Well I guess victory is mine once again.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Jul 21, 2020 14:32:11 GMT
Why does this IceTruckDexter character care about children so much? Bit noncey tbh
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 21, 2020 17:08:19 GMT
Why does this IceTruckDexter character care about children so much? Bit noncey tbh If a society doesn't care for children, it means it's dead.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 21, 2020 18:09:24 GMT
Why does this IceTruckDexter character care about children so much? Bit noncey tbh So you equate someone who doesn't want children to be slaughtered to a paedophile?
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Jul 22, 2020 14:56:23 GMT
Why does this IceTruckDexter character care about children so much? Bit noncey tbh So you equate someone who doesn't want children to be slaughtered to a paedophile? Yes
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 22, 2020 19:10:16 GMT
So you equate someone who doesn't want children to be slaughtered to a paedophile? Yes Gobshite
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 22, 2020 21:03:53 GMT
The woman would be tried for murder, actually, which is a higher crime than rape - so, to break it down for you, a woman aborting a pregnancy conceived through rape (in Georgia and Alabama) would be tried for murder, while the man who raped her would be tried for the lesser crime of rape. Do you not understand that? Yeah I understand that and I agree with it. A child doesn't get choose his or her scumbag father and shouldn't be punished for it. interesting take from a self-avowed capitalist
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 22, 2020 22:35:26 GMT
Yeah I understand that and I agree with it. A child doesn't get choose his or her scumbag father and shouldn't be punished for it. interesting take from a self-avowed capitalist A proud capitalist at that and one that is busy right now celebrating Liverpool lifting the trophy so..........
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 2, 2021 17:41:54 GMT
I'm not happy, but I feel relief.- The Georgia bill was very technical, and I guess the Texas One, is just a copy and past. I don't agree, that there will be no exceptions, but is a huge step to recover the right to be born.-
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Post by stabcaesar on Sept 3, 2021 9:44:49 GMT
God the US is embarrassing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 18:02:01 GMT
God the US is embarrassing. This honestly is the most repugnant piece of legislation to pass in this country post-Jim Crow. I really don't believe that the Texas lawmakers ever thought this was going to actually go into effect - they thought this would be defeated through the courts and then they could wring their hands and whine to their evangelical base. 70% of Americans want Roe to stay exactly as it is. Around 20% actually want it to be overturned. This is insanity.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 5, 2021 0:09:47 GMT
God the US is embarrassing. I really don't believe that the Texas lawmakers ever thought this was going to actually go into effect - they thought this would be defeated through the courts and then they could wring their hands and whine to their evangelical base. See that’s the thing. Slowly but surely some republicans are actually starting to go on the offensive now instead of just grifting their base
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 3:01:06 GMT
I really don't believe that the Texas lawmakers ever thought this was going to actually go into effect - they thought this would be defeated through the courts and then they could wring their hands and whine to their evangelical base. See that’s the thing. Slowly but surely some republicans are actually starting to go on the offensive now instead of just grifting their base The GOP really overplayed their hand with this one. My guess is that this is only going to help Texas turn blue.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 7, 2021 16:38:56 GMT
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