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Post by pupdurcs on May 13, 2019 0:14:45 GMT
Shaft was a hit. Jackson was the only star of note. It's getting a sequel this year. If that is a hit, who gets credit? Blaxpolitation nostalgia? Because Jackson is the headliner and isn't supporting anyone. Deadpool is an immensely popular comic book character that's had an intense following for years. Reynolds pushed to make it happen, and good for him, but it's success is not about 'starpower'. It's about the character and the genre. And Reynolds will be eating off that for the next 15 years or whatnot. I'm not acting like Jackson is some huge solo box office draw. He isn't. But he's got a modicum of appeal to audiences, and it's very much heightened by the right vehicle and with the right co-star's (similar to Reynolds, but I feel Jackson is more of an added value element to a movie). Neither are massive draws, but take Deadpool out of the equation, and I'd rather have Sam Jackson playing a major role in my movie over Reynolds. Then maybe add a legit big draw like Dwayne Johnson. Reynolds and Jackson are the type of "stars" that tend to do best with assists. Jackson couldnt have got Hitmans Bodyguard to be as successful without a likable co-star like Reynolds, but Reynolds couldn't have done it without someone like Jackson. I'm not Reynolds fan. I consider him too bland, but he is Detective Pikachu. He is right now a Box office champ Because nobody ever heard of the multi-billion dollar Pokemon franchise before Ryan Reynolds decided to add his voice to one of it's main characters. I've never given any actor excess box office credit for voicing an animated movie character for gigantic franchises, and I sure as fuck won't be starting with Ryan Reynolds. Finding Nemo used that well known box office giant Alexander Gould to voice Nemo and somehow managed to gross hundreds of millions of dollars. Ed Asner is clearly the biggest box office challenger to Dwayne Johnson because UP made nearly 300 million dollars and he voiced the lead character. Jesus...how low is the bar for this guy?
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Post by hugobolso on May 13, 2019 23:59:27 GMT
I'm not Reynolds fan. I consider him too bland, but he is Detective Pikachu. He is right now a Box office champ Because nobody ever heard of the multi-billion dollar Pokemon franchise before Ryan Reynolds decided to add his voice to one of it's main characters. I've never given any actor excess box office credit for voicing an animated movie character for gigantic franchises, and I sure as fuck won't be starting with Ryan Reynolds. Finding Nemo used that well known box office giant Alexander Gould to voice Nemo and somehow managed to gross hundreds of millions of dollars. Ed Asner is clearly the biggest box office challenger to Dwayne Johnson because UP made nearly 300 million dollars and he voiced the lead character. Jesus...how low is the bar for this guy? What I said os that Reynolds could demand that money, specially if he also is producer, director o screenwritter. Never than he worth it.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Jun 14, 2019 19:37:40 GMT
Shaft was a hit. Jackson was the only star of note. It's getting a sequel this year. If that is a hit, who gets credit? Blaxpolitation nostalgia? Because Jackson is the headliner and isn't supporting anyone. Deadpool is an immensely popular comic book character that's had an intense following for years. Reynolds pushed to make it happen, and good for him, but it's success is not about 'starpower'. It's about the character and the genre. And Reynolds will be eating off that for the next 15 years or whatnot. I'm not acting like Jackson is some huge solo box office draw. He isn't. But he's got a modicum of appeal to audiences, and it's very much heightened by the right vehicle and with the right co-star's (similar to Reynolds, but I feel Jackson is more of an added value element to a movie). Neither are massive draws, but take Deadpool out of the equation, and I'd rather have Sam Jackson playing a major role in my movie over Reynolds. Then maybe add a legit big draw like Dwayne Johnson. Reynolds and Jackson are the type of "stars" that tend to do best with assists. Jackson couldnt have got Hitmans Bodyguard to be as successful without a likable co-star like Reynolds, but Reynolds couldn't have done it without someone like Jackson. “New Line’s Shaft looks to do horrible business with $3.3M today (including last night’s $600K previews), and an opening of $8.5M for this $35M production, on which Warners unloaded overseas rights to Netflix. A crappy summer weekend indeed, even with a great 80% K-12 schools and 92% colleges off for summer today moving to 86% and 95% by Monday.” Deadline Was curious to see if this would hit since you brought it up and seem to think Jackson is a draw in certain vehicles but it’s bombing. Probably not a great idea to make a sequel to something that was a modest hit (107 million off of a 46 million budget) over twenty years after release. Just seemed like something no one was really asking for.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 15, 2019 4:33:24 GMT
Shaft was a hit. Jackson was the only star of note. It's getting a sequel this year. If that is a hit, who gets credit? Blaxpolitation nostalgia? Because Jackson is the headliner and isn't supporting anyone. Deadpool is an immensely popular comic book character that's had an intense following for years. Reynolds pushed to make it happen, and good for him, but it's success is not about 'starpower'. It's about the character and the genre. And Reynolds will be eating off that for the next 15 years or whatnot. I'm not acting like Jackson is some huge solo box office draw. He isn't. But he's got a modicum of appeal to audiences, and it's very much heightened by the right vehicle and with the right co-star's (similar to Reynolds, but I feel Jackson is more of an added value element to a movie). Neither are massive draws, but take Deadpool out of the equation, and I'd rather have Sam Jackson playing a major role in my movie over Reynolds. Then maybe add a legit big draw like Dwayne Johnson. Reynolds and Jackson are the type of "stars" that tend to do best with assists. Jackson couldnt have got Hitmans Bodyguard to be as successful without a likable co-star like Reynolds, but Reynolds couldn't have done it without someone like Jackson. “New Line’s Shaft looks to do horrible business with $3.3M today (including last night’s $600K previews), and an opening of $8.5M for this $35M production, on which Warners unloaded overseas rights to Netflix. A crappy summer weekend indeed, even with a great 80% K-12 schools and 92% colleges off for summer today moving to 86% and 95% by Monday.” Deadline Was curious to see if this would hit since you brought it up and seem to think Jackson is a draw in certain vehicles but it’s bombing. Probably not a great idea to make a sequel to something that was a modest hit (107 million off of a 46 million budget) over twenty years after release. Just seemed like something no one was really asking for. Yeah, it's always a risk to put out extremely belated sequels nobody was asking for in the marketplace. On the other hand, Marketing for it appeared to be perfunctory to non-existent. It's clear Warners were dumping the movie with minimal marketing spend, as if selling overseas rights to Netflix wasn't enough indication that they weren't bothered.. It's not totally a starpower issue. If a studio decided not to put in marketing dollars into your movie and offload the overseas rights to a streaming service, the film will likely fail, even with a bigger star than Sam Jackson attached. Also Sam Jackson is not critic proof. Shaft probably needed good reviews to Stand a chance to do well. A 35% on Rotten Tomatoes probably sealed it's fate. It's been a rough month for old properties/sequels. The new Men In Black film with Tessa Thompson and Chris Hemsworth is flopping hard the same weekend as Shaft. And Dark Phoenix as well...... one thing they all have in common is terrible Rotten Tomatoes scores. Reviews matter more than people think even for popcorn flicks.
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Post by morton on Jun 15, 2019 5:56:44 GMT
To be fair to Shaft, Samuel L. Jackson was the best thing about it and definitely has real star power. Regina Hall is great too, but she's barely in it.
I'm not sure why the trailer and television ads were so generic unlike Twitter which played up the baby boomer vs. millennial aspect of the film which got the most laughs in my theater which skewed extremely older. (Of course, there were only 5 of us, but still.)
I guess they were probably hoping for a sequel by trying to appease to young people, but they probably should have just played up the aspect of SLJ being like Clint Eastwood in The Mule last year, and an older audience would have went out for it. Speaking of The Mule, I definitely feel that critics were really harsh on Shaft because it is politically incorrect like The Mule was. Not to say that both films didn't have problems, but I feel that they were better than other films that have better scores just based on the humor in them.
I mean I get it, but at the same time, in both films it's coming from someone who is supposed to be out of touch.
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